Ovan Arm Theory

VKV · Post by **VKV** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:22 pm

Umbra wrote:There's nothing to say Haseo was infected by AIDA at that point, for one thing there is no sign of black AIDA substance and Haseo doesn't physically show any signs of infection.

But I wonder if that strange black sparkling thing was then.
Even if it wasn't really an AIDA who knows if it could be related to AIDA.

It is even shown at the very beginning of the Vol.1 game.

And for Yata to have prophetich powers. Maybe.
I'm more interested at the moment what is Haseo's skill. Couple of scary things come to mind of Skeith after all.

wave killer · Post by **wave killer** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:36 pm

VKV wrote:But I wonder if that strange black sparkling thing was then.
Even if it wasn't really an AIDA who knows if it could be related to AIDA.

I was thinking that maybe that 'black spark' was Skeith. But I have no evidence of this. (And I'm sure Aura Twilight is going to flame me for it.)

As for Ovan's arm bit, I think it may the 'king' of the AIDAs. The grand daddy of them all, and Tri-Edge may want to destroy it for reasons I can only guess.

Post by **Kuukai** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:47 pm

Wait, what is it and when is it in the game?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:17 pm

Well, actually, now that I think about it, the Avatars themselves are supernatural. Like Kuhn and Pai tell Haseo, they aren't a "skill" you can activate: you control them with your heart. Following from that, I'm sure "magic" is possible...

Eh, maybe. That would validate my "Prophetic Emma" theory, but I'd like to hold out on the possibility and wait until we see Fidchell's power for ourselves. Afterall, once you introduce things like seeing the future, you open a door for BS like Bracelets and Data Bugs in the real world like in those terrible fanfictions and roleplays.

There is no actual 'magic' anywhere in .hack, however, there is a supernatural side to it.

All the supernatural events that occur, such as being unable to log out or being chosen by an Avatar based on mental attributes are based on the idea that the human psyche and 'soul' can be the same as data. How realistic the series is depends on whether or not you take this idea seriously, as it has never been proven that the human mind can't be made into computer data.

So falling into a coma is a result of your mind and soul being transferred to the game. Being chosen by an Avatar is based on the idea that your personality's 'data' is compatible. Controlling the Avatar with your 'heart' is basically saying that your own soul is interacting with data.

That's one way of looking at it, but it doesn't explain things like Tsukasa's continued dependance on life support to stay logged in, or Morganna's inability to copy Tsukasa. I'm going with Yata's theory of players merely changing their perception on which world is the real one, thus psychically making the World more real than Earth in their own personal Reality.

I still don't think Yata has prophetic capabilities, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does.

Ditto.

But I wonder if that strange black sparkling thing was then.
Even if it wasn't really an AIDA who knows if it could be related to AIDA.

It's a bolt from Harald. AIDA are purple in Roots anyway.

Wait, what is it and when is it in the game?

Can you be more specific?

azure_flames · Post by **azure_flames** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:31 pm

I think Kuukai was referring to what VKV said about something being in the beginning of Vol.1. The "strange black sparkling thing."

Post by **Kuukai** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:48 pm

I was. So when does it show up?

haseoskeith · Post by **haseoskeith** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:43 pm

lemme say 2 things:

1st: the coma thing could come into reality, but it would have no connection to the video game itself. if i remember right, "the world" players have to wear a 3d viewer to play right? so, if there was a malfunction in the viewer, a player could get electrocuted, since the viewer is connected to a terminal, and thus connected to the house's electric circuit . by getting electrocuted, a player could get comatose. this, however, has nothing to do with the game itself.

2nd Yata has no future sight powers, even though he is the prophet. the prophet was the named given to fidchell, since he gathered data on human reactions about the UNavoidable fate. i.e., if i pull the trigger of some brand new gun, i know whats happens next, it will soot a bullet. so the only prophecies yata can make, are the ones we can make as well, so there is no big deal to it...

Mindbreaker · Post by **Mindbreaker** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:36 pm

That would apply to the World, but not The World R:2 Besides that Fidchel did have Prophetic powers, and based on Kuhn we can assume as they get more "in sync" with with their avatars. Fidchel may have been to collect the data, but he certainly predicted the spread of the virus onto the net. And it was proven that the whole Coma thing was caused by the game in the first one. The Data Drain affects the person's mind as well as their charecter. There really is a big deal to it.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:34 pm

the coma thing could come into reality, but it would have no connection to the video game itself. if i remember right, "the world" players have to wear a 3d viewer to play right? so, if there was a malfunction in the viewer, a player could get electrocuted, since the viewer is connected to a terminal, and thus connected to the house's electric circuit . by getting electrocuted, a player could get comatose. this, however, has nothing to do with the game itself.

Yea, but that doesn't match up with what we know to be true with the .hack canon: In that the players going comatose has no scientific correlation with the hardware or the player's health.

Yata has no future sight powers, even though he is the prophet. the prophet was the named given to fidchell, since he gathered data on human reactions about the UNavoidable fate. i.e., if i pull the trigger of some brand new gun, i know whats happens next, it will soot a bullet. so the only prophecies yata can make, are the ones we can make as well, so there is no big deal to it...

Well, just a nitpick. Fidchell, and the other Phases, didn't gather data on anything.

Mindbreaker · Post by **Mindbreaker** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:45 pm

Well they did but not as Phases, they were just programs then.

.Scythe · Post by **.Scythe** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:49 pm

but origonally they were supposed to, no?

bu gainst that.(mindbreaker) We still DONT know too much about Yata. hell, not until i think about 11, did we have a significant lead that yata was you kknow who. Plus. in ep 21, Yata KNOWS that haeso needs to awaken. however he doesnt. so maybe hes not so "prophetic" but like..uhidk.

Mindbreaker · Post by **Mindbreaker** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:00 pm

It's entirly possible that in Roots he hadn't reached the level required for acess to the other abilites. Haseo will also inevitably gain abilites as will the rest of the Infinity Eight. Besides that if Kuhn is a guide then the abilites are not governed by the original Phase's abilities, because Magus could not create copies of himself, and Kuhn can.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:23 pm

No, I mean, they were never data-collecting programs. Morganna made them, not Harald. The Liminality Easter Egg is wrong.

Post by **Kuukai** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:24 pm

.Scythe wrote:but origonally they were supposed to, no?

bu gainst that.(mindbreaker) We still DONT know too much about Yata. hell, not until i think about 11, did we have a significant lead that yata was you kknow who. Plus. in ep 21, Yata KNOWS that haeso needs to awaken. however he doesnt. so maybe hes not so "prophetic" but like..uhidk.

But he's does need to awaken. Unless something incredibly weird happens, Haseo doesn't even know about Skeith until after Roots ends...

VKV · Post by **VKV** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:39 am

Kuukai wrote:Wait, what is it and when is it in the game?

I certainly don't know what it is.
But it doesn't really appear anywhere while you are playing but you can see the same kind of strange sparkling black things at the very beginning you start the game.
Just put your G.U. disk in your PS2, don't push any buttons and watch.
If you can't notice from afar go closer to your tv.
The sparkles are much tinier in this one than in the anime.

azure_flames · Post by **azure_flames** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:58 am

Aside from whether or not Yata has "prophetic" abilities, we still have no idea if he had even awakened his avatar in Roots. From the way Pai spoke to him about hers, it seems as though his had yet to awaken. And isn't there a couple month gap between Roots and GU? So that's plenty of time to get your little avatar to show up and gain some abilities to be all Nostradamus. That aside....Umm...Nevermind. I forgot where I was going with that.

As for black sparkles...I'd assume from what you said that it's during the opening sequence of the game...But where exactly? Around what part?

VKV · Post by **VKV** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:28 am

azure_flames wrote:As for black sparkles...I'd assume from what you said that it's during the opening sequence of the game...But where exactly? Around what part?

Yes, that is where you can see them/it.

They/it are/is right there when you start to watch the opening sequence.

Post by **Kuukai** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:56 pm

You mean the black spots? What do those have to do with Haseo?

VKV · Post by **VKV** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:08 pm

Haseo is surrounded by that kind of thing in episode 18 of roots.
And we don't really have any idea what is actually happening there.

And after that Haseo is suddenly chanced into his Flicker mode.

Post by **Kuukai** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:38 pm

Wait, he's surrounded by AIDA? Wow, I'm really behind on Roots...