image at the end of the trailer

kire12 · Post by **kire12** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:06 pm

really? wat do u think then

Dot-Hack-Rocks · Post by **Dot-Hack-Rocks** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:29 pm

i dont think it was anything to do with the armor. i think it has to do to the fact that when tri-edge DD'd haseo, he implanted Skeith's virus core, since he does the opposite of what Kite bracelet's does. even though it rewirtes the data, it doesn't take back the virus out,it insteads plants it in.

kire12 · Post by **kire12** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:47 pm

nooo i only said the armor to specify which haseo i was talkin bout

Light Kagutsuchi · Post by **Light Kagutsuchi** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:49 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:There's no guarantee that being Data Drained puts you in a coma. I didn't see Haseo get Protect Broken, did you?

I don't know, that weird face blast attack Tri Edge hit Haseo with looked like it could have caused a protect break; it was the only offensive strike Tri-Edge bothered to make, and directly preceded data drain.

Umbra wrote:Seriously, that was only put into the game to make it harder, its never been used anywhere else.

I remember Orca being protect broken before he was data drained by Skeith; I find it odd they would show that if protect break was only in the game to make it harder.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:51 am

Light Kagutsuchi wrote:I remember Orca being protect broken before he was data drained by Skeith; I find it odd they would show that if protect break was only in the game to make it harder.

I do remember that, and I feel the answer is the complete opposite.

They put that into a cutscene because that was an important element in the game. Besides, we don't even know if Protect Break is available in the new game. None of the characters aside from Tri-Edge seem capable of Data-Drain.

kire12 · Post by **kire12** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:03 am

Umbra wrote:They put that into a cutscene because that was an important element in the game. Besides, we don't even know if Protect Break is available in the new game. None of the characters aside from Tri-Edge seem capable of Data-Drain.

well, this is an entirely new version of the game so maybe, since tri is the only one with data drain, protect break is not needed.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:10 pm

Seriously, that was only put into the game to make it harder, its never been used anywhere else.

Sora, Orca, Balmung in that cameo comic, and a few others were Protect Broken. Even if it was only ingame, Protect Break is still part of the plot. You can't just ignore it. That's changing the facts to fit your theory.

My other theory is that Tri-Edge needed Haseo's data to completely 'repair' Skeith but Haseo screaming "I am here Skeith" makes me think he knows who Skeith is.

Well, Skeith is mythically infamous. >_> And it could be possible Haseo knew one of the dot hackers just like Shugo and Rena knew Kaz and Blackrose and how Mirei is directly related to Mistral, and how Curl's father is Tokuowa. It goes on.

Because Haseo possesses Skeith's data, it acted as a Shield, in the same way the note 'A' in C-Major Scale protected Mai Minase from Skeith's Data-Drain. Instead of being put into a coma, the Data-Drain separated Skeith from Haseo and gave it Haseo's power to complete it. Leaving Haseo conscious, but at Level 1, while Skeith has been resurrected.

I dunno. What incentive does Skeith have to protect Haseo if it will just sacrifice itself to save him? Skeith is a program that must have a self-preservation clause. If he's going to be doing any seperating, it would be to save himself and possibly to observe Haseo's death or something. Seriously. Skeith isn't capable of compassion, love, and friendship. That's not his purpose. He's a classically emotionless AI.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:26 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Sora, Orca, Balmung in that cameo comic, and a few others were Protect Broken. Even if it was only ingame, Protect Break is still part of the plot. You can't just ignore it. That's changing the facts to fit your theory.

Protect Break was a game engine, it isn't needed anywhere else such as Manga or Anime. The Cameo Comic may have been to sell the game and would have to include such a thing. It may have been given to fans of the game and they'd complain about there not being Protect Break in the comic.

Regardless of what you say, it isn't important. We don't even know if it is going to feature in The World R:2, so you can't begin to try and explain things using it as if it were fact.

AuraTwilight wrote:Well, Skeith is mythically infamous. >_> And it could be possible Haseo knew one of the dot hackers just like Shugo and Rena knew Kaz and Blackrose and how Mirei is directly related to Mistral, and how Curl's father is Tokuowa. It goes on.

I believe they have confirmed there will be no connection between the Dot Hackers and the Infinity Characters. Haseo doesn't seem to have prior knowledge of them at the very least. He doesn't recognise Tri-Edge as Kite and doesn't understand what happened to Shino, so he seems pretty clueless when it comes to the Twilight Incident.

AuraTwilight wrote:I dunno. What incentive does Skeith have to protect Haseo if it will just sacrifice itself to save him? Skeith is a program that must have a self-preservation clause. If he's going to be doing any seperating, it would be to save himself and possibly to observe Haseo's death or something. Seriously. Skeith isn't capable of compassion, love, and friendship. That's not his purpose. He's a classically emotionless AI.

My theory is that Skeith had no choice, it would've been so damaged that it isn't truly an AI any more, just stray data that acts as a 'leech'.

Grey · Post by **Grey** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:14 pm

Umbra wrote:My theory is that Skeith had no choice, it would've been so damaged that it isn't truly an AI any more, just stray data that acts as a 'leech'.

And to continue to leech off of Haseo, Skeith had to protect him...?

Soraki · Post by **Soraki** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:01 pm

ok... im sorta lost... i saw the japaness E3 trailer but not this other one that people keep refering to... the one that shows Haseo's armour falling off... can i have some sort of link so i can be in tune with everyone else?

YouTube · Post by **Erroneous** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:25 pm

http://www.dothackers.net/media.php

kire12 · Post by **kire12** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:32 pm

wait so if skeith is leeching off of haseo (this mite be really stupid) maybe when haseo gets dd'd, skeith tries to take the data than has broken off of haseo, and therefore some of skeith is haseo

Soraki · Post by **Soraki** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:39 pm

kire12 wrote:wait so if skeith is leeching off of haseo (this mite be really stupid) maybe when haseo gets dd'd, skeith tries to take the data than has broken off of haseo, and therefore some of skeith is haseo

sounds reasonable to me

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:17 pm

Protect Break was a game engine, it isn't needed anywhere else such as Manga or Anime. The Cameo Comic may have been to sell the game and would have to include such a thing. It may have been given to fans of the game and they'd complain about there not being Protect Break in the comic.

Shugo had a different Bracelet, and Sora was briefly Protect Broken in the end. Tsukasa may or may not have been.

Regardless of what you say, it isn't important. We don't even know if it is going to feature in The World R:2, so you can't begin to try and explain things using it as if it were fact.

of course

I believe they have confirmed there will be no connection between the Dot Hackers and the Infinity Characters. Haseo doesn't seem to have prior knowledge of them at the very least. He doesn't recognise Tri-Edge as Kite and doesn't understand what happened to Shino, so he seems pretty clueless when it comes to the Twilight Incident.

I believe they only said they would be new characters. >_>

My theory is that Skeith had no choice, it would've been so damaged that it isn't truly an AI any more, just stray data that acts as a 'leech'.

And that's not what would've happened if it took the brunt of the blow for Haseo? -_- Dee dee doo

Zeicule · Post by **Zeicule** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:27 pm

Wait a sec, were trying to figure out why haseo isnt comatose, is that correct. Watch the trailer again. It looks like dot-hack-rocks's theory is the most probable. Kites bracelet is blue, and it takes out virus cores. Tri-Edge most likely put the Skeith core in Haseo. This raises the question of why did Haseos friend (I forgot her name, I appoligize), went comatose. I find it most probable that she just couldn't handle the power of the phase she was given. Instead this was given to one of the other main charachters. That's my whole take on the thing.

kire12 · Post by **kire12** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:49 pm

wait, so ur sayin that the power given to the girl who went comatose couldnt handle it? so, like orca not being able to use it, it went to haseo instead?

YouTube · Post by **Erroneous** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:50 pm

I'm sorry but this has gone way off-topic for quite some time. The original question was:

hey, does anyone know what the images at the end of english trailer are, i know one of them is haseo being data drained, but the other two are kinda fuzzy.

And the first two pages provide valid enough proof of the fuzzyness being Haseo transforming into "a form of" Skeith. Thus this question is done and has gone off-topic with all these theories and speculations about Haseo and Triedge.

There are plenty of active threads about Haseo listed below:
do you think Haseo's Skeith is some sort of new summon?
What do you think Haseo is?

And best of all there's the sticky: .hack//G.U. Speculation thread- Theories

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