Any Ideas? (A yugioh question)

[TheSorrow]

Don't worry the Yugioh expert finally is here. :P

A Helios deck huh, well the problem is that you cant really make a good Helios/ Fairy deck because the two deck types don't generally go to gather. What you need is a Helios deck by itself, which CAN be pretty epic especially with card like D.D. Borderline. But with all the "DAD and Tela DAD decks being played now days, it should not be hard to have cards removed from play. You might want to look here and use some of these cards for a Helios deck.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Different_Dimension

Sorry, the YGO expert has been here all the time :P And he's wanting to make a good Helios/Fairy deck, which is possible and alot better than seeing a pure Helios deck, and can also turn out well by thinking about it since it can throw people off XD

First impression i have after reading carefully and thinking of the possible strategies and all:
Very nice deck, and very quick at going to remove monsters, and the strategies are quite nice, focusing on both Arcana Force XXI and Helios, having a good support from fairies to remove cards, and stuff like Golden Homunculus and Gren Maju to inflict alot of damage. However, i see a couple cards without a real good use in the deck and that might just slow it down.
-Kaiser Seahorse. Can't be summoned by Shining Angel, and can only be used properly with The World...and you have 2 of them? It's not even a Fairy either, unlike Dancing Fairy...so, i'd really consider replacing it XD Or at least just keep one.
-Agent of Force - Mars. No Sanctuary in the Sky, and you can't even boost it because it's unaffected by your 2 equip cards. So...what it's doing there?
-Spirit of the Harp. ...Why not a Banisher of the Light instead? Fairy, helps remove, and it doesn't just stay there protecting your life points without any other good effect.
-Samsara Kaiser. Is it really worth having a weak monster that will return to your hand by offering it while you only have 2 monsters to tribute it for, and one of them is better summoned another way?
-Royal Surrender. ...Are you scared of some Continuous Trap? o-O

In my next post, if i have time today as i have things to do, i'll try to see if there's anything wrong with the deck, but so far, that's what i can tell that needs changing or completely getting rid of (especially Mars and the Kaisers), but another thing i can tell now...be careful in how you play with the deck, as you have good supporting cards but they need to be sent to the graveyard to work, and so they can conflict easily with your other support cards....maybe a Book of Moon or a Mystical Space Typhoon/Dust Tornado can cover that up, and you can come up with amazing strategies (have a Banisher or Dimensional Fissure active for a long time to remove enough monsters, flip it facedown/destroy it, manage to get a Shining Angel defeated in battle, and then summon Homunculus). Also, i have to point out how your deck is Traditional, but only for 2 cards (Witch of the Black Forest and Graceful Charity)....so if you ever feel like making your deck advanced, you can take them out and try to replace them with other things....though the Witch will be hard to replace and it seems like it speeds up the deck alot XD
Oh, and i can only count 49 cards D: You have 27 monsters, not 28

[Azalan]

Ok, so if I was to remove a kaiser what would be good to put in his place? If it helps any, I put mars in there since his atk and def are determined by the diff between the lp. If I use soul absortation at the oppertune time he could have alot of attack...I think. how would i get banisher of the light? and what about graceful charity? What would you suggest replacing it with? What would I replace royal surrender with? The only way mars could stay in there would be if I put in sanctuary in the sky right?

[Ratsu]

@TheSorrow
You must not know about me yet if you think the Yugioh master was already here. Back in the day I was in so many tournaments, I even got invited to the world championship (though I couldn't go because I could not afford to go to New York.) Its a shame you don't live in Louisiana and could see my deck first hand. I have over 5 different ways to lock down every card in your deck at once. Then its just a matter of waiting to get enough power and kill you in one shot. You see the difference between a normal player and myself is, I have actually (and this is where you see I have no life.) Done the math for my deck. I have done all the calculations to decide what % chance I have of pulling a certain card I need at any moment and figuring out just what I need at the moment and what is the % of getting it. Every card in my deck has been calculated and every weakness of my deck is countered by something to fix it. One match with me and you will see what math can do to a deck. XD And I can lock down a specific set of cards in one move even. I can lock down all monsters with just two cards, I can lock down all spells with only 3, traps with 1 and I have 4 ways to do it. Not to mention I can lock your entire field in 2 turns (that's my record) making it to where you cannot play any cards at all. Not to mention my deck has alot of ways to return cards I don't need at the moment from my hand back to my deck and getting new cards that I can use. Man... this brings back memories, I used to be called "Kami no Card" in my tournament days. XD But the only super powerful deck I have is my main deck called "God's Law" I have basically had the same deck for years and added to it when ever a new card came out that would help it. (doing the math all over again for that card too.) Its gotten to the point where pretty much nothing can stop it -.-; It can even stop D.A.D. , Gladiator Beast, and Light Sworn decks all of which are the top tier decks now ways.

To make a LONG story short, I have had no life and devoted alot to my deck, but honestly the best part about it is the fact that over the years, all the cards that make it up were given to me to alot of people who are very special to me. So my deck is more of a memento of all of them in one. I would like to know about all of yalls decks though o.o sounds fun to see what every one is playing now days.

[TheSorrow]

..And with all that, you failed to give direct advice and instead wanted to change the deck into another type...really proves the expert-ism right there, and your deck strategies aren't that surprising as it isn't much different to some of my decks plus it's also balanced with my probability knowledges and i draw the needed cards like 90% of the time...and i actually don't deeply care for YGO and it's a mere hobby i've dedicated a couple years to, just like with everything else i know :P And stupid Dark Armed Dragons and Synchro Monsters, i hate them so much and that's why my deck is full of negators and destructors .____.

Anyways, just to reply to Azalan's post now...remove Kaiser and 1 Kaiser Seahorse completely, and that means, not adding other cards to replace it. The lesser cards, the better, and you have alot of cards considering how 45 cards is already too much for most decks 'XD I think there was a common Banisher of the Light released in some booster or some deck, but i'm not sure though i don't really have much problem finding cards (my problem is being able to afford them XD). Royal Surrender can be replaced with a negator like Trap Jammer, Destruction Jammer, or...going at full-strenght, Solemn Judgement. Graceful Charity can be replaced with Hand Destruction, as from what i can tell the usage of Graceful would be to speed up as well as to send monsters to the graveyard, removing them and boosting your monsters with it. And yeah, Mars is only good with Sanctuary of the Sky because otherwise it's LP effect doesn't apply, and you could add Sanctuary in the Sky to make it useful, but that'd yet give you more cards that are gonna just stall your deck for your main strategies, so i really don't recommend it.

[Ratsu]

Exactly and thats the best advice one can give, Like I said I have played this game for a long time and found that there are only 2 deck types. Casual, and tournament. A Helios fairy deck would never be successful in a tournament, while a Helios Removal deck would. I mean don't get me wrong its possible to make a Helios fairy deck, but at the same time its possible to make a deck of nothing but normal cards. I just simply told them what would work tournament wise because those are the only true winning decks. Unless you want advice on just a fun deck or something.

And trust me, you have never seen anything like my deck. ;3

[TheSorrow]

...lolwut. I'm done testing the deck and the strategies, and heck, a Helios deck works AWESOME with cards like Banisher of the Light and Banisher of the Radiance, which are fairies, and you can also support those cards with Fairy support; i've realized that a Helios/Fairy deck is like saying a Dark Armed Dragon Dark Deck or a Lightsworn Light Deck...Fairies automaticly support Helios like it or not XD You just need a little tweaking to add support for both Helios and Fairies the same :P
...And, you know, we could prove the deck thing easily over the internet. All you need is YVD and a registered name on it and thazzit, and so there's no excuse of saying "Too bad you don't live here so you could see" or anything :P lol

Back at Azalan's deck....Azalan, let me ask you, how much do you want your deck to be modified and how much cards could you afford getting? Because i've been testing and checking cards and i know what your deck needs...it needs more support to Helios himself (you actually have none, and you focus on removing and pulling out either Helios, Homonculus, or Gren Maju for damage), as well as stronger fairies that could defend yourself and use up Valhalla's effect alot better (a Guardian of Order would do wonders)...but, you'd really need alot of cards for that, and i don't wanna completely modify your deck and tell you do get it like that when you just wanted minor changes xD And as of the minor changes, this is what you should really consider, regardless if you want your deck to be fully boosted or not

-2 Kaiser Seahorse
-1 Samsara Kaiser
-1 Agent of Force - Mars
-1 Hidden Book of Spell
-1 Royal Surrender
-1 Spirit of the Harp
-1 The Forgiving Maiden
-1 Healing Wave Generator (Soul Absorption is good enough, and unless you can make a good use of gaining LPs, you don't need to focus yourself on that)

+2 Banisher of the Light
+1 Book of Moon
+1 Mystical Space Typhoon
+1 Shining Angel
+1 Golden Homonculus OR Gren Maju Da Eiza
+1 Return from the Different Dimension

[Ratsu]

...And, you know, we could prove the deck thing easily over the internet. All you need is YVD and a registered name on it and thazzit, and so there's no excuse of saying "Too bad you don't live here so you could see" or anything lol

I think I have heard of that before, But I also heard its alot like the DS games, and there are alot of cards I use that for some reason the DS refuses to use. Dose it actually have all the cards in it? (and dose it update every time a new pack comes out)

[TheSorrow]

Well, it's not like that, as it's not really a game 'XD It's a simulator to play online through your PC, and it works more like a program than a videogame, which has image folders and a card set that can be updated everytime a new set is released (right now is up to Raging Battle though i don't have it yet >3>'), and like with the real game, you have to do all actions...draw cards, place cards face-up or face-down, flip cards to activate them, send cards to the graveyard...everything, except that instead of your hands, you do it with a mouse and a keyboard :P It's pretty much like playing the normal card game but on the computer...don't expect spiffy effects when you activate the cards or everything to be automatic xD

[Ratsu]

Well, it's not like that, as it's not really a game 'XD It's a simulator to play online through your PC, and it works more like a program than a videogame, which has image folders and a card set that can be updated everytime a new set is released (right now is up to Raging Battle though i don't have it yet >3>'), and like with the real game, you have to do all actions...draw cards, place cards face-up or face-down, flip cards to activate them, send cards to the graveyard...everything, except that instead of your hands, you do it with a mouse and a keyboard It's pretty much like playing the normal card game but on the computer...don't expect spiffy effects when you activate the cards or everything to be automatic xD

think you can send me a download link Via PM?

[Jaku]

well i mean i dont get how people use these new cards now-a-days. Im a classic duelist. i use mostly old cards from the original series. when yugioh was actually about YUGIOH and not some other kid like it is now.

i havent dueled in years and ill admit i miss it. Still today i make decks out of my old cards based on themes.
One kid i went against went through my other deck when i was in the middle of a duel and he took out one KEY card that makes about 10 cards in it useless and i cant find that card anywhere. if you want help making decks off the original cards PM me and ill gladly see what i can pull together.

[Azalan]

yeah see if that happened to me. I would have made the kid replace the card. I can't stand bad sports. I also hate synchro monsters. most of them are so cheap. Your right Jaku, Yugioh! isn't Yugioh! that much anymore. It's kind of a dying game as well I think. In my town there aren't even packs for sale in that many places.

[TheSorrow]

One kid i went against went through my other deck when i was in the middle of a duel and he took out one KEY card that makes about 10 cards in it useless and i cant find that card anywhere

...Wait, what do you mean by that? That he used a card against you that made your deck pretty much useless (like Crush Card Virus), or he literally took and stole your card? o-O'

A couple months ago, i really was ANNOYED with how much the game has changed with the addition of Synchro monsters, completely changing every decks' strategies and pretty much having to use tuners for at least a Stardust Dragon and a Goyo Guardian, regardless of what kind of deck you're using. But at least around my place, the game is still VERY active (you easily find around...what, 30-40 duelists in 3 different places XD?), and i've gotten used to the new Yugioh style...my deck still doesn't use Synchros and i'm not planning to add them (it just doesn't need them), but now i don't mind them as much, and have seen other kinds of decks lately, mostly Dragon, Gladiator Beasts, and Crystal Beasts, all which don't use Synchros and yet can pwn Synchro-based decks very easily. I've just learned to keep enjoying the little card game, and it's still exciting and fun for me to keep playing against new decks and see how my deck battles against them.

...But of course, sometimes i think back and remember the old classic Yugioh, before Forbidden/Limited lists existed, before Synchros were created, and before every new set released meant dropping out all your cards to buy the new ones because they're either better or they already forbid the ones you've been using until now. Sure, the game's still enjoyable and nice, but it's seriously nothing compared to the old times, and everything, from the game itself, to the cards being released, and the kind of people who play the game, has really changed alot. And for that, i still keep my very first deck which took me like 2-3 years to build and was pretty much a perfect deck...my awesome Massive Control Deck :3

[Jaku]

The kid literally went through my deck i wasnt useing wile i was in a duel and took it out. So now that deck is completely useless. Like i said before, im a classic duelist, I have no idea what synchro is at all heheh.

I play using mostly classic cards so if i was to go against someone new i wouldnt be allowed to play because i bet most of my deck is illegal or some crap like that. Which to me is stupid because i mean they MADE the cards too be played now they are not allowed to be used at all.

Noone plays like i do anymore so i cant duel anymore. which is pathetic. but i gues ill just build and rebuild my decks out of old cards.

[Azalan]

so, sorrow. How would guardian of order be useful? Also, I'm trading a friend a volcanic doomfire and some fire cards for his deck. Should I request the cards in the trade? if so, what should I get in addition to the listed cards? I really want a trice megistus but...I can't find one anywhere!!! But this friend buys cards offline so maybe the solution is trading?

[TheSorrow]

Oops, i thought Guardian of Order was a Fairy, but nope, he's a Warrior >3>' Well, a Guardian of Order is very powerful if you have lots of light fairies, since once you have enough, you could Special Summon it and have a quite useful monster, though since he's not a Fairy, you can't summon it by Valhalla's effect. The idea was that you could summon it either by having no monsters (Valhalla), or by having more than 2 (his own effect), but since the first one is out of question, i don't recommend it as much.

I'd just recommend the listed cards; if you can find another card that seems like it could be useful, don't hold back on getting it as well if you can. And yes, a Trice Megistus would be a must too for a full Helios deck, so try to get it somehow if you can XD I don't have much problem getting cards around here (the problem is that they're as expensive as my payments for university x-X), though you should look for the easiest and cheapest way for you to get cards. If you can see this friend quite often and you have cards that would interest him, then trading sounds all fine.

[Azalan]

Yeah getting cards is stupidly expensive here as well. I see this friend quite often since we go to the same church.

Would soul of purity and light be a good fairy? How about moisture creature? Could I possibly add sky scourge norealas, Splendid venus or sky scourge enrise? I think norelas would be good for this deck since I already have so many dark cards. However since my deck removes stuff from play summoning norelas will be very costly. Hmm what is a duelist to do? Also, isn't trice megistus relatively cheap too? What defenses should I have for it?

Also, why magic jammer and another shining angel? How about Athena? Would it work well in this deck? or should i make a new one around her?

[TheSorrow]

Well, let's go in order..sorta XD

Soul of Purity and Light - A good fairy, useful for your deck, but somewhat luck-reliant. You can't summon it by other means other than removing cards from your graveyard, which, in most cases, won't exist as you want your cards to be removed. But, in some cases, such like with Shining Angel, or when the Banishers are destroyed and there's no other removal card (and so ending up in the Graveyard), you'll have enough Lights to summon it, and their removal will benefit you too, so i recommend adding it.

Moisture Creature - Doesn't seem as good...the strength of your deck depends more on removing cards rather than strong monsters, and if what you want is to destroy Spell and Trap cards, use Mystical Space Typhoon or Heavy Storm...though careful with it, since your deck needs some Continuous cards active to survive well (mainly Dimensional Fissure and Valhalla), and you can end up destroying them yourself.

Sky Scourges - No way. You don't even have Dark Fiends (only Caius, and i'm thinking he's not useful in the deck; other cards would be better), and adding more would ruin the deck as it is. Maybe, if you keep Caius, Enrise could be summoned and it's effect would be quite useful...but with all your removal cards (Dimensional Fissure, Macro Cosmos, etc), go figure out the chances of having Caius in your graveyard, at the same time you have Enrise in your hand.

Splendid Venus - Dangerous to use, and i wouldn't recommend it. This would do wonders in a pure Fairy deck, but remember that yours is a Helios/Fairy deck, and Helios isn't a Fairy and it'll be hard for wanting it to become a Fairy. His ATK doesn't go as high either at the beginning, so there's no reason why you should decrease it's ATK even more.

Defenses for Trice Megistus - ...Just the average defenses that a monster needs XD Mainly, S/T destroyers, such like Heavy Storm or Mystical Space Typhoon, maybe Trap Stun too. There's also stuff like Destruction Jammer that can save your monster from being destroyed. And, in the case Trice is destroyed and removed (perhaps by your own removal cards), make sure to have ready some cards like Different Dimension Reincarnation or Return from Different Dimension. Though your main strategy with it should be to keep attacking, and make sure that your opponent's effects won't destroy them.

Destruction Jammer - Not Magic Jammer, but this one. And why? Well, i don't see why you have Royal Surrender in your deck, and i suggested this card or Trap Jammer, because while Royal Surrender is only useful against Continuous Traps, while Destruction and Trap Jammer work for traps and other destroyers in general.

Shining Angel - To be able to search monsters that can save your life, mainly Golden Homunculus (you summon it without tributes too), but also D.D. Warrior Lady or Marshmallon. But, since it needs to be sent to the graveyard specifically, keeping 2 could be smarter so you don't end up with 3 cards that won't work you at all. I still like 3 more though :P

Athena - With lots of strategy involved and awesome card managing, it would work quite well. You could Special Summon her with Valhalla, Normal Summon any Fairy, send it to the graveyard, and retrieve other useful fairies, like Banishers, or Golden Homunculus, inflicting damage as well, and Athena has enough ATK to survive for a while too or even be your winning card. But because her effect can only work with the monsters in your graveyard, this should be your special card to use in case you have lots of fairies in the graveyard (and she can be useful to remove them too...with Dimensional Fissure or something, any monster you send to the graveyard by her effect is removed instead, and you still get to summon the other card from the graveyard). As of another deck based around her....if you want to and have lots of fairies, you can go ahead and do so, but it'll be a very different deck, one based on fairies with no removal at all.

[Haseo{Terror of Death}]

Quick question because I am bored...

I am trying to make a yugi themed deck *Yes it is for fun, and not my actual deck*

But it seems like the only way to be able to win with a yugi deck is to be able to spam enough monsters with high enough attack points, and combine them with catapult turtle and several blockers....but Catapult Turtle has failed me so I took him out

Halp? I play by tourny rules

Monsters:21

Normal:6
Dark Magician
Summoned Skull
Jack's Knight
Queen's Knight
Gazelle the King of Mythical Beasts(Plan to switch out with Mystical elf....when I get a neat one)
Giant Soldier of Stone

Effect: 13
Buster Blader
Swift Gaia the Fierce Knight
Silent Swordsman LV5
Total Defense Shogun
Breaker the Magical Warrior
King's Knight
Obnoxious Celtic Guardian(>3>)
Green Gadget
Red Gadget
Yellow Gadget
Blockman
Silent Swordsman LV3
Kuriboh

Ritual:1
Magician of Black Chaos

Fusion:1
Dark Paladin

Trap:10

Normal:7
Magical Hats
Lightforce Sword
Magic Cylinder
Waboku
Chain Destruction
Dust Tornado
Shift

Continuous:2
Spellbinding Circle
Stronghold the Moving Fortress

Counter:1
Horn of Heaven

Magic/Spell:13

Normal:8
Dark Magic Curtain
Swords of Revealing Light
Nightmare's Steelcage
Fissure
Card Destruction
Monster Reborn
Brain Control
Polymerization

Quickplay:2
Monster Recovery
Mystical Space Typhoon

Equip:2
Horn of the Unicorn
Mage Power

Ritual:1
Black Magic Ritual


PS:Ratsu...you sound kind of snobby I would like do duel you with my Real Deck
LOL but Sorrow would hate it...It has three Synchros...Although, I don't spam them *More than one at a time.* But use them to f*ck up walls

For example
Defensive: Red Dragon Archfiend: I mean His effect helps me get rid of annoying blockers like Spirit Reaper and searchers like UFO Turtle

LULS and protection:Stardust:We all know why >3>

Attack: BlackRose Dragon >=D: Can clear the entire field if necessary, also can make a monster go to attack mode and lose all it's attack =O

[TheSorrow]

I also made a Yugi and a Yami Yugi deck once...the Yugi one was mostly based around the one he used in last season (Silent Magician, Gadgets, etc), and the Yami one was mostly spellcaster (though with monsters like Summoned Skull, Gilfer, Gaia the Swift Knight, etc), but, they were made on Traditional format and had BIG support from such cards, and now i don't use them anymore, though maybe i could rebuild them for Advanced format but i've been lazy to.

Anyways, your deck is pretty much a mix of both Yugi AND Yami, but you seem to be missing some very useful cards...Dark Magician Girl, Big Shield Gardna, Archfiend of Gilfer, and the Silent Magicians, possibly Marshmallon too since you're using the Gadgets there (Yugi's deck by last season). Also i'm not too sure if the Knights and Gadgets would go well in the same way, but i think it's alright, though the Magnet Warriors could be replaced by one of them if you have them. And your Spell and Trap cards make me lol because of how you threw random S/T cards he used through all the seasons...but, missing some very useful ones that he also used alot (and you can still use in Advanced, unlike Pot of Greed for example). Namely, Mirror Force, Magical Dimension, Diffusion-Wave Motion and Thousand Knives, though those last ones are more focused on a Magician deck, and could be replaced for Double Spell, Soul Rope, or Rope of Life, all used by him as well. Also, i don't really recall him using Nightmare's Steelcase or Fissure D:

And yes, i hate Synchros, and not only when they're spam-summoned...also when they're just there to destroy my precious defenses, and pretty much Red Dragon Archfiend and Black Rose Dragon are more than enough to do that. Heck, in a duel with my bro a while ago, i had an awesome defense, one that he couldn't defeat anymore, but then he had to summon Black Rose Dragon and that was it; darn you Synchros even though i know how to use you and even counter you but still darn you DX!! But anyways....you say the deck has Synchros...but, why, if it doesn't have any Tuners? o-O It's more "loyal" to the series too if you just keep it without Tuner/Synchros.

Anyways, that's all the help i can give to the deck by keeping it as "loyal" to Yugi's deck in the series as much as possible. It's quite a cool deck though, though with no real purpose other than drawing cards and seeing what can you do with them, but that's what's fun about it XD It could be fixed alot more and focusing on one single strategy, then getting all needed cards to support such strategy, but, it wouldn't be a "Yugi Deck" anymore, more like "A Spellcaster/Fiend/Warrior/Whatever Deck Based off Yugi" :P

[Haseo{Terror of Death}]

Okay going down your list

DMG: I don't have it D= I used to have it, but i traded it for some exodia peices =D
BSG:Also don't have, although i dislike his effect...
Glifer:I can't find him I know I know I have him, I got the SJ with him, just to find him
Silent Magicians:i used to have them, but they were a pain to summon, and keep on the field D=
Marshmallon: I'm trading for him >=D
Magnets: I do not have Valkyerion

Mirror Force: Currently trading for I am haggling
Magical Dimension:So far i only have three spellcasters ... only on of them can be drawn in by the effect
Diffusion Wave motion is a b*tch to combo, and well, I wanted my deck slimmed to 44 cards
1000 knifes: I honestly didn't know it existed in the TCG
Double Spell:Movie Yugi D=
Soul Rope: Don't remember when he used it
Rope of Life:Likewise
Nightmare's Steelcage: STRINGS D= he used it against strings TT
Fissure: I think you're right

as for blackrose she's just like torrential tribute sir =D

My deck has tuners
only a handful, less than five, but they're helpful and synching isn't my main plot =D

Thanks^^ I'd love to duel you too