So after Ovan accidently killed her, that's when Innis was transfered into Atoli?
Correct. If Shino had awakened as an Epitaph User, she could've survived like Atoli and Pi did at the end of the second volume, but since she wasn't, she went into a coma and Innis found a new host.
Really?
Yes. Corbenic is apparently quite talkative to guide Ovan and counteract <Tri-Edge>. It was actually Corbenic that told Ovan to find the Key of the Twilight if he wanted to save himself and Aina.
Well, yeah...All epitaph users were able to talk to their epitaphs. This was a clear example when Haseo was on the verge of losing himself. He and Skeith had a conversation, which then led to Haseo getting his Xth Form. Pi could talk to Tarvos, Kuhn could talk to Magus, etc. Epitaphs with their players were not just add-ons. They were merged as a whole. They could understand each other.
Correct, but most of the Epitaphs have a passive role and don't try and actively communicate with their Epitaph Users, since they don't try and abuse them like Haseo did or whatever.
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It was actually Corbenic that told Ovan to find the Key of the Twilight if he wanted to save himself and Aina.
Lol , wow
EDIT:
Basically, Skeith can pull off a Kirby if he wants to, instead of just rewriting an opponent's data or extracting an embedded object.
So you mean, if Skeith wanted to, he could sort-of "consume" data of another Epitaph,say Innis and use its power of the Mirage of Deceit and make illusions of other things, like the 1st AIDA Server? Or the illusions of Azure Orca and Azure Balmung made by Tenrow?
So you mean, if Skeith wanted to, he could sort-of "consume" data of another Epitaph,say Innis and use its power of the Mirage of Deceit and make illusions of other things, like the 1st AIDA Server? Or the illusions of Azure Orca and Azure Balmung made by Tenrow?
Possibly, but we don't exactly know. Since he still needs Atoli's help for that sort of stuff, it seems he only has the "Barcode" of the Epitaphs, so if a computer scanned him for his identity, he could pass for "Innis" and be let into Innis's super cool mega tree house, dawg. For this reason, Ovan wanted Haseo to have the "permissions" of all eight Epitaphs, since they were needed to use the Rebirth. These permissions were also used to channel Aura through Aina.
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First, I apologize for some of the... well, I'll just apologize for being an asshole in general. My transgressions held ulterior motives, after all.
As repayment, I'll tell you why I actually bothered to do this and say you "won," the latter because I have not read Truth and can't continue crippled as such (if it's in English, I will read it and perhaps get back to you, but I haven't heard of such a book being released stateside... am I wrong on this?). After all, I'm wasting your time when all I have is the wiki and the source material. You can't win many fights swinging blindly in the dark. :\
I stated my theories strictly to see how they would hold up for my... fanfic (yes, I'm ashamed, hence the acting; it is going to suck too hard for public consumption, but the idea won't leave me, so I have to write it). None of them served as a real backbone (so it was never in any danger of not being written unfortunately), but I had to know how they would work out. It's a pretty big story I've had brewing in my head for awhile, and clarifications on what the writers believed to be true were required before the 4th restart of the tale. I need to mix those with my own theories in such a way that both could still be true without writer clarification, and our conversation should help with this. This has to be done because one of the factions in my tale is going to see The World through my own cracked lens, and they happen to be the endgame antagonists.
Anyway, thank you for humoring me... and I'll leave it at that since I can only make things worse. In fact, it was probably for the best that I didn't post this and just let you forget like last time. Too bad, eh?
Heh heh. Bravo MasterZED. Although this wasn't a fight in general, you did prove some things regaurding to the topic. An asshole? No. You do posess quite a bit of knowledge. Proven wrong or right, it was quite an interesting conversation. I thank both you and AT for this, and everyone else in general for answering my questions. You've earned my respect in the .hack// world.
As repayment, I'll tell you why I actually bothered to do this and say you "won," the latter because I have not read Truth and can't continue crippled as such (if it's in English, I will read it and perhaps get back to you, but I haven't heard of such a book being released stateside... am I wrong on this?). After all, I'm wasting your time when all I have is the wiki and the source material. You can't win many fights swinging blindly in the dark. :\
It's a web document on the official website. I know translations have been posted on the forums somewhere.
Also, don't feel bad, this was one of the funnest discussions I've had about .hack for a while.
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Ovan's lost weapon (i think) looks like a long blade with the end looking like kite's empty skies(you know, the black one he used in vol. 2). He used it when he accidentally killed aina because he couldn't control it and he also used it in Θ: Hidden Forbidden Dragonbein. That's what I think it is.
omg, dude did you read any of the thread at all?>>
First of all Ovan didn't use his Lost Weapon ( if he even has one) to kill Aina, it was his AIDA arm and that also goes for in Dragon Bein as well>> That long blade thing your talking about his apart of his AIDA infection >> jeez...........
wait a minute I just thought of something, sorry for the revival
(It's worth noting that this was all a big stroke of luck and emotional whim, as Aura did not shield Corbenic out of a planned attempt to take out Morganna and finish her birth; she was acting purely on childish love and instinct and was protecting her mother with her own body so that she wouldn't die. This impulsive, pure, love and selflessness with no ulterior plan or motive is what allowed Aura to complete herself, surpass Morganna, and achieve wisdom, knowledge, purity, and compassion that humans as a whole are not capable of, effectively making Aura a Christ/Buddha-like figure.)
Say if Kite did have the Bracelet on Corbenik, judging from what you just said, wouldn't Aura still have jumped in the way?
Yes, exactly. Aura had no intention of letting Morganna die at any point during the series, and when she jumped in the way, she wasn't thinking of her own future or the consequences of Morganna's acting. IT WAS NOT A PLANNED, CALCULATED EVENT. It was a spur of the moment, impulsive moment of reckless passion on Aura's part fueled by selfless kindness and love, in a way that only human empathy is capable of, which is what allowed Aura to become the Ultimate AI.
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shadow of skeith wrote:Okay, I've noticed that when you are in Theta: Hidden Forbidden Sacrement, there are eight seal circles, of course, because there are eight epitaphs, but one seal was missing. Ovan's. Now it has been confirmed that Ovan's lost weapon wasn't the bayonet he carries or the axe, since the axe was made by AIDA and that the bayonet is called "Demon's Slice" a lvl. 75 bayonet that has been enhanced in strength due to the controlling AIDA in Ovan's PC. It's been said that Ovan's lost weapon is called "coming reincarnation" as stated on the .hack//wiki, but it's still a mystery on what it looks like. So in general, what and where in the world is Ovan's lost weapon??
"Demon Slice" is actually just a mistranslation of "Twilight", it's most likely a guild-related weapon, like Yata's "Dark Crow" fans. The Perfect Guidebook calls it his "favorite weapon". No where does anything imply it has anything to do with the AIDA, although he does use it as his "third edge". My guess is that retrieving his Lost Weapon was either one of his early attempts at finding the power to revive his sister, or it was done in order to complete Corbenik for its eventual use. Either way, it's not really a power he has much use for, and consequently we don't see it. Another explanation lies in the observation that summoning Corbenik always "releases" Tri-Edge. It's possible that since Corbenik is the only force holding back Tri-Edge, using it in any other way is a bad idea.
Okay, I've noticed that when you are in Theta: Hidden Forbidden Sacrement, there are eight seal circles, of course, because there are eight epitaphs, but one seal was missing. Ovan's. Now it has been confirmed that Ovan's lost weapon wasn't the bayonet he carries or the axe, since the axe was made by AIDA and that the bayonet is called "Demon's Slice" a lvl. 75 bayonet that has been enhanced in strength due to the controlling AIDA in Ovan's PC. It's been said that Ovan's lost weapon is called "coming reincarnation" as stated on the .hack//wiki, but it's still a mystery on what it looks like. So in general, what and where in the world is Ovan's lost weapon??
The Lost Weapon's name could be hypothetical. It's my personal theory that his Lost Weapon never came into existence, since Corbenic was never Data Drained like the other Seven Phases when they faced off against Kite.
He probably has is somewhere safe where no one will ever see it. I think Aina would know though...well maybe...
If it exists at all, it has to be in his PC's inventory. There's no other place it's allowed to exist.
The only thing we know for sure is that it's a bayonet, not only because of Ovan's class, but because the games lists "8th Phase Bayonet" after 7th Phase Gauntlets in the executables of Reminisce and Redemption. The games have no more data on the weapon than that.
There's all sorts of unused files implying that there were plans for Ovan to be a party member. They changed their minds, so those sorts of files aren't necessarily valid in-universe.
Well... I think the Ovan´s Last weapon is him bayonet but... I was thinkinig in the Empty Blades of Kite... The Kite´s blades are an item *5 and i was thinking ... The kite weapon is the 8 last weapon O.o!
Impossible. No one but Ovan can hold his Lost Weapon, not even Azure Kite. The Empty Blades are a weapon made for Azure Kite, but they are not Lost Weapons as they are not fragments of Epitaph Data. I suppose you could play with the idea that the Azure Blades are the equivalent to Azure Flame God, but since they were given to Haseo, that disproves the idea.
Chock it up for A.T. for knowing these things. No matter how much this pains me to do I've gotta agree with Aura here as she knows more than I do in these situations. As for the naming you got from wikipedia the fact that its from wikipedia right there is enough to tell you this may not be at all true. Wikipedia can have anything edited on their so its hard to rely on it. As for the Empty Blades, AT, Haseo data drained Azure Kite in his supposedly Azure Flame God form so could this explain why he can use them because from my understanding you cannot change Azure Kites weapon that he has equipped. If I remember straight I don't think you can change anything he has equipped other than his accessories. Also if you use a cheating device Ovan is usable so the data files of him still exist then and what he possesses. I do not believe anyone has mentioned what his equipment is when they first get him this way. Has anybody bothered trying this he might have his epitaph weapon equipped to him. Also if you do check this see if you can change his equipment too, I'm curious about what Ovan has when you get him via cheating.
Has anybody bothered trying this he might have his epitaph weapon equipped to him. Also if you do check this see if you can change his equipment too, I'm curious about what Ovan has when you get him via cheating.
>>>, No you cant iv tried, you Cant do anything with Ovan, the game freezes when you go to Personnal Menu
Really I've heard a different but then maybe those are all rumors like most things. Has someone actually tried it with each of the different type of cheating devices. Theirs not just Action Replay and CodeBreaker for the ps2. There are plenty more cheating devices for the system as well.
As for the Empty Blades, AT, Haseo data drained Azure Kite in his supposedly Azure Flame God form so could this explain why he can use them because from my understanding you cannot change Azure Kites weapon that he has equipped.
Or more like Haseo can use them because Kite gave them to him.
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ZelkovatheWise wrote:I thought Aura gave them to Haseo as a gift.
Well, Kite did give them to Haseo directly after their battle. Might've been under Aura's authority or not, but Kite was the one giving them.
And the Empty Skies are just Rarity 5 Dual Swords. Kite's character might be too special and all, but he and the Azures have weapons that can be equipped to anyone without problem (they just can't equip anything else but what they have). You can give the Empty Skies to Alkaid or Natsume and they use it like normal, so it's not like Haseo got a "special permit" for equipping them or anything; they're just other weapons.
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AuraTwilight wrote:The Lost Weapon's name could be hypothetical. It's my personal theory that his Lost Weapon never came into existence, since Corbenic was never Data Drained like the other Seven Phases when they faced off against Kite.
Just to clarify: The Lost Weapons were broken Epitaph fragments created during failure of the the R.A. Plan. The fact that Corbenik is an Avatar is proof that Corbenik has a Lost Weapon. And the name is a mistranslation of "Twilight", probably not given very much care because it's never actually displayed in a normal game.
ZelkovatheWise wrote:Really I've heard a different but then maybe those are all rumors like most things. Has someone actually tried it with each of the different type of cheating devices. Theirs not just Action Replay and CodeBreaker for the ps2. There are plenty more cheating devices for the system as well.
They all do the same thing. I'm 99% sure they're functionally equivalent, especially in this case. I believe you can actually "translate" the codes back and forth between devices...
