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Yea, there's nine books out with plans for more, and the anime only covers like...two.

And Kyon has a normal personality because he's the NORMAL GUY! It's his role. That's like whining about Endrance being a hopeless romantic when it's his JOB to be such.

enderance has a distinguishable personality. since Kyons personallity is normal, nothing immediatly jumps out as being distinguishable. that's not bad. as a matter of fact AT if you acttually READ my comment I said that he was one of the few decent characters. i never said i didn't like him.

Right. The series has her progressing from being clingy and helpless to a confident and strong-spirited woman, but the anime hasn't reached that point yet.

I see.

It was Haruhi's will. She doesn't want to just beat a person, she wants to have the moral high ground.

but if haruhi is a god, can't we just claim everything is her will. couldn't we always use that reason.

Well, whether or not you find it "humorous" I mean that the intended jokes and "laughs" aren't going to be spoonfed to you, that's what I mean. Most of what the fans find funny isn't the "lol Haruhi said something CRAYZEE" again, but all the subtler things around that.

agreed, but it is still an opinion.

I love how you make this big essay with lots of work put into it, but it's not relevant at all to what we're talking about. Sucks, huh?

it's true that i whent off on a little tangent there but what i was try to show is some other instances were fanboyism has ruined an industry. basecly it's a built up to the next point.

Alright, fine. But that doesn't mean the fans are ruining it, just ruining your own enjoyment of a series that, on purely objective basis of quality, is a top-notch, award-winning show. Whether or not you like it is of course your choice, but it's not purely subjective opinion if one is bold enough to call Haruhi one of the best anime ever created.

true and false. true that it is a personal issue if fans ruin a series for you, false it that "top-notch" and "good quality" are opinion terms. award winning is a definable thing that can not be argued becuse there actually is an award.

Alright, fine. Which of my claims do you want citations and evidence for? I'll be glad to get some.

any of them. i've seen very few examples from you, so anything will do. morespecifically the stuff about characters.

Um. I have a pen0r.

until i see real evidence that you are male i'm going to refer to you as female. i haven't met you in real life so i wouldn't know, but i have seen many posts that would lead me to belive you are a girl.

enderance has a distinguishable personality. since Kyons personallity is normal, nothing immediatly jumps out as being distinguishable. that's not bad. as a matter of fact AT if you acttually READ my comment I said that he was one of the few decent characters. i never said i didn't like him.

He's distinguishable BECAUSE he's normal. He's the only person who is, so he's abnormally normal. And I read your comment, I just didn't agree with your "lol no personality" part.

but if haruhi is a god, can't we just claim everything is her will. couldn't we always use that reason.

No, because Haruhi's will is self-conflicting, and even though she's a God, she doesn't control everything because she doesn't acknowledge that she does. In the book, though, Koizumi does postulate that Haruhi wanted the moral high ground, and since Koizumi is explicitly stated to be able to read Haruhi's mind along with the other Espers, he's a credible source of information about Haruhi's mental thought processes.

agreed, but it is still an opinion.

I'm not talking about whether or not it's actually humorous, but what form the humor is intended to take, which is an objective factual statement and not an opinion.

it's true that i whent off on a little tangent there but what i was try to show is some other instances were fanboyism has ruined an industry. basecly it's a built up to the next point.

The industry isn't RUINED, because it's still a financial juggernaut.

true and false. true that it is a personal issue if fans ruin a series for you, false it that "top-notch" and "good quality" are opinion terms. award winning is a definable thing that can not be argued becuse there actually is an award.

*headdesk*

God, you're missing the point. Again.

any of them. i've seen very few examples from you, so anything will do. morespecifically the stuff about characters.

Alright, but there will be spoilers:

Mikuru is shown to develop as a character because in the seventh book, she takes things into her own hands and time travels in order to save the life of a little boy, and Kyon by extension, and even outright defies Haruhi to do so, and even though she's afraid of the punishment, she's willing to put up with it to do what she needs to do.

Nagato demonstrates initiative, personality, and emotion by borrowing Haruhi's powers and using them to warp all of reality in order to give Kyon his ideal world, and when he makes his choice and she reverts everything to normal and Yuki is threatened with deletion, the SOS Brigade members, sans Haruhi, vow to stay by her side and defend her case, and Koizumi and Mikuru both state that their loyalties lie with the Brigade, and not their respective factions.

until i see real evidence that you are male i'm going to refer to you as female. i haven't met you in real life so i wouldn't know, but i have seen many posts that would lead me to belive you are a girl.

I'm a hermaphrodite, thank you. What kind of proof do you want, a picture of my f*cking crotch?

He's distinguishable BECAUSE he's normal. He's the only person who is, so he's abnormally normal. And I read your comment, I just didn't agree with your "lol no personality" part.

then i guess we just have a different opinion on personality. lets leave it at that.

No, because Haruhi's will is self-conflicting, and even though she's a God, she doesn't control everything because she doesn't acknowledge that she does. In the book, though, Koizumi does postulate that Haruhi wanted the moral high ground, and since Koizumi is explicitly stated to be able to read Haruhi's mind along with the other Espers, he's a credible source of information about Haruhi's mental thought processes.

that makes sence.

I'm not talking about whether or not it's actually humorous, but what form the humor is intended to take, which is an objective factual statement and not an opinion.

i guess i really don't understand what you are trying to say.

The industry isn't RUINED, because it's still a financial juggernaut.

were using two different definitions of ruin. your using it in financial terms, i'm refering to it in terms of creativity.

*headdesk*

God, you're missing the point. Again.

care to explain your reasoning or do you just like saying things that don't have any logical influence.

Alright, but there will be spoilers:

Mikuru is shown to develop as a character because in the seventh book, she takes things into her own hands and time travels in order to save the life of a little boy, and Kyon by extension, and even outright defies Haruhi to do so, and even though she's afraid of the punishment, she's willing to put up with it to do what she needs to do.

Nagato demonstrates initiative, personality, and emotion by borrowing Haruhi's powers and using them to warp all of reality in order to give Kyon his ideal world, and when he makes his choice and she reverts everything to normal and Yuki is threatened with deletion, the SOS Brigade members, sans Haruhi, vow to stay by her side and defend her case, and Koizumi and Mikuru both state that their loyalties lie with the Brigade, and not their respective factions.

thank you.

I'm a hermaphrodite, thank you. What kind of proof do you want, a picture of my f*cking crotch?

you don't need to go that far and you don't NEED to prove it. i just can't trust your word since you are known for lieing about personal information.

i guess i really don't understand what you are trying to say.

What I mean is, a lot of the things that are INTENDED to be funny, the INTENDED jokes, are things that require a bit of critical thinking, such as the fact that this entire show is an anime about a girl who wants to live in an anime. That is a fact, and not an opinion, such as "This is/isn't funny."

were using two different definitions of ruin. your using it in financial terms, i'm refering to it in terms of creativity.

It's plenty creative, too, as Haruhi proves. Say what you want about the series, but you can't deny how creative it is. It's a satire of the entire spectrum of escapism in the form of escapist fiction.

care to explain your reasoning or do you just like saying things that don't have any logical influence.

I already tried and you didn't get it, hence the head-slamming. It's like discussing colors to a blind person.

Btw, "Logical influence" isn't the phrase you're looking for.

you don't need to go that far and you don't NEED to prove it. i just can't trust your word since you are known for lieing about personal information.

REALLY, now? Who the **** says I'm lying about personal information?

What I mean is, a lot of the things that are INTENDED to be funny, the INTENDED jokes, are things that require a bit of critical thinking, such as the fact that this entire show is an anime about a girl who wants to live in an anime. That is a fact, and not an opinion, such as "This is/isn't funny."

Okay. now i understand what you are talking about.

It's plenty creative, too, as Haruhi proves. Say what you want about the series, but you can't deny how creative it is. It's a satire of the entire spectrum of escapism in the form of escapist fiction.

I was talking about the GAMING industry as a whole. i never said this anime wasn't creative. it's painful just having to debate with you AT. *deep sigh*

Btw, "Logical influence" isn't the phrase you're looking for.

I figured it wasn't but i didn't know what else to call it at the time.

REALLY, now? Who the **** says I'm lying about personal information?

you have claimed to be god
you have claimed to be a girl
you have claimed to be a boy
you have claimed to be a hermaphrodite
you have claimed to be an IT.

you can't be all at once

What the...??? wrote:you have claimed to be god
you have claimed to be a girl
you have claimed to be a boy
you have claimed to be a hermaphrodite
you have claimed to be an IT.

you can't be all at once

For your sake, I hope you're kidding. That was by far the dumbest thing I've read on the boards this week, and that's saying something. I mean honestly, you're going to hold it against him as "lying about personal information" because he said he was god? As far as gender goes, it doesn't really matter what he is. If he is a boy and a girl (and thus a hermaphrodite) then he would in fact be an "it." To put it all together, so long as the fourth claim is true, the second, third, and fifth claim are also true. Again, though, I haven't known him to lie about his personal information and I really don't see what he'd get out of doing it to begin with. There are better ways to get your kicks on the internet than to sit in your chair, giddy as a schoolgirl reading Teen People Magazine and say to yourself as you post on a message board, "I'm going to say I'm a guy (or girl) when I'm really not. The fun I'm having is so good it should be fattening. This guy will never figure it out!" If you're going to accuse someone of something then at least pick something important and have a half-way decent argument to support it. As far as him getting his kicks goes, being a smart ass seems to be working well for him... that and the whole pseudo-narcissistic persona.

I was talking about the GAMING industry as a whole. i never said this anime wasn't creative. it's painful just having to debate with you AT. *deep sigh*

I read your little thesis paper, and you were wrong on nearly every single point. The creativity of the gaming industry may not be at its peak (arguably), but it's certainly far from plummeted. In addition to that, it was completely irrelevant to the conversation to begin with. If anyone's in pain debating here, I wouldn't expect it to be you unless coming up with these arguments for you is like passing a kidney stones.

For your sake, I hope you're kidding. That was by far the dumbest thing I've read on the boards this week, and that's saying something. I mean honestly, you're going to hold it against him as "lying about personal information" because he said he was god? As far as gender goes, it doesn't really matter what he is. If he is a boy and a girl (and thus a hermaphrodite) then he would in fact be an "it." To put it all together, so long as the fourth claim is true, the second, third, and fifth claim are also true. Again, though, I haven't known him to lie about his personal information and I really don't see what he'd get out of doing it to begin with. There are better ways to get your kicks on the internet than to sit in your chair, giddy as a schoolgirl reading Teen People Magazine and say to yourself as you post on a message board, "I'm going to say I'm a guy (or girl) when I'm really not. The fun I'm having is so good it should be fattening. This guy will never figure it out!" If you're going to accuse someone of something then at least pick something important and have a half-way decent argument to support it. As far as him getting his kicks goes, being a smart ass seems to be working well for him... that and the whole pseudo-narcissistic persona.

the point i am making is that, since AT kids around alot it is almost imposible to know when AT is being serious. it doesn't matter who AT is. we were just debating things back an forth becuse the quewstions that were in our first posts have changed substantually.

I read your little thesis paper, and you were wrong on nearly every single point. The creativity of the gaming industry may not be at its peak (arguably), but it's certainly far from plummeted. In addition to that, it was completely irrelevant to the conversation to begin with. If anyone's in pain debating here, I wouldn't expect it to be you unless coming up with these arguments for you is like passing a kidney stones.

you have your opinion and i have mine. also, i already claimed that i went off on a bit of a tangent but i was making the gaming industry an example about fanboyism. if you actually read the posts, we were on a debate about wether fanboys made a diffence in something.

talking to you and AT is like having a debate with a third grader.

your turn to respond moron.

I was talking about the GAMING industry as a whole. i never said this anime wasn't creative. it's painful just having to debate with you AT. *deep sigh*

Anime =/= Gaming.

you have claimed to be god
you have claimed to be a girl
you have claimed to be a boy
you have claimed to be a hermaphrodite
you have claimed to be an IT.

you can't be all at once

I claimed to be both a girl AND a guy, thus = hermaphrodite, thus = It. It's all the same. As for being a God, I say that because God is held by most religions to be above gender, such as I am, and to have hermaphroditic properties. You lose.

For your sake, I hope you're kidding. That was by far the dumbest thing I've read on the boards this week, and that's saying something. I mean honestly, you're going to hold it against him as "lying about personal information" because he said he was god? As far as gender goes, it doesn't really matter what he is. If he is a boy and a girl (and thus a hermaphrodite) then he would in fact be an "it." To put it all together, so long as the fourth claim is true, the second, third, and fifth claim are also true. Again, though, I haven't known him to lie about his personal information and I really don't see what he'd get out of doing it to begin with. There are better ways to get your kicks on the internet than to sit in your chair, giddy as a schoolgirl reading Teen People Magazine and say to yourself as you post on a message board, "I'm going to say I'm a guy (or girl) when I'm really not. The fun I'm having is so good it should be fattening. This guy will never figure it out!" If you're going to accuse someone of something then at least pick something important and have a half-way decent argument to support it. As far as him getting his kicks goes, being a smart ass seems to be working well for him... that and the whole pseudo-narcissistic persona.

I have to agree. I mean, why would I need to lie about anything given the mass amounts of praise I get for being AT? Seriously, not even I'M that arrogant that I'd need even MOAR PRAISE!

the point i am making is that, since AT kids around alot it is almost imposible to know when AT is being serious. it doesn't matter who AT is. we were just debating things back an forth becuse the quewstions that were in our first posts have changed substantually.

You seriously can't tell between me giving a serious critical analysis of the artistic and literary merit of Haruhi Suzumiya and "I kick so much ass that my balls are bigger than teh sun"?

talking to you and AT is like having a debate with a third grader.

your turn to respond moron.

If the mods read this, I want it on the record that I didn't start this ****, she did.

If the mods read this, I want it on the record that I didn't start this ****, she did.

why. you called me an ass.

Anime =/= Gaming.

no duh. i was showing the gaming industry as a place where fandom changes things. that's what we we talking about in that pice of the debate. this debate hasn't been about haruhi for awhile.

I claimed to be both a girl AND a guy, thus = hermaphrodite, thus = It. It's all the same. As for being a God, I say that because God is held by most religions to be above gender, such as I am, and to have hermaphroditic properties. You lose.

that makes sence.

You seriously can't tell between me giving a serious critical analysis of the artistic and literary merit of Haruhi Suzumiya and "I kick so much ass that my balls are bigger than teh sun"?

care to rephrase. i caqn barely make out what your tring to say.

why. you called me an ass.

I call everyone an ass whether or not I'm angry with them. You're the one taking this all personally and getting belligerent. Neither SilentOp or I deserve being called morons or third graders just because you disagree with our opinions.

no duh. i was showing the gaming industry as a place where fandom changes things. that's what we we talking about in that pice of the debate. this debate hasn't been about haruhi for awhile.

What debate have you been watching? I've been debating Haruhi the whole time.

care to rephrase. i caqn barely make out what your tring to say.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you your Third Grader.

Please return to discussing TMoHS.

So that thar Genderbending Project. It rocks.

AuraTwilight wrote:So that thar Genderbending Project. It rocks.

Yeah, it does. I still don't like the headband, though.

this will be my last post on this site. so administrators you can lock my account. it's been fun, but i've got other stuff I need to do.

there probably will be a season two. if there really were nine books it is most likly going to continue to fill up what the first seiris didn't. I've even heard there was a part with miharu and kyon where they go back it time to see haruhi as a child.

S1lentOp wrote:

AuraTwilight wrote:So that thar Genderbending Project. It rocks.

Yeah, it does. I still don't like the headband, though.

Neither do I, but I guess they're keeping it because it's "iconic". They argued that it'd be like replacing Mario's hat or something, which I felt was a strawman, but I'm not as badass in the Haruhi fandom as I am here. My control is only absolute, not infinite.

What the...??? wrote:this will be my last post on this site. so administrators you can lock my account. it's been fun, but i've got other stuff I need to do.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is my great honor to present to What the...??? with the drama award for being a superb drama llama. It is a shame, however, that she cannot be here today to accept this award as she has left the building in the dramatic performance that has earned her this award. So lets all have a round of applause for our departed award recipient and continue with our lives, forgetting her forever. Good job What the...???. You've earned it. Thank you ladies and gentlemen, and goodnight.



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AuraTwilight wrote:

S1lentOp wrote:

AuraTwilight wrote:So that thar Genderbending Project. It rocks.

Yeah, it does. I still don't like the headband, though.

Neither do I, but I guess they're keeping it because it's "iconic". They argued that it'd be like replacing Mario's hat or something, which I felt was a strawman, but I'm not as badass in the Haruhi fandom as I am here. My control is only absolute, not infinite.

Iconic or not, the character should be able to pull off the personality of Haruhi without keeping an out-of-place headband. It may be an aesthetic quibble, but it's still annoying to look at, especially since the character is a man. The entire project, as I understand it, is to convert the characters to the opposite gender... not to take the breasts off the women and put them on the males without changing much anything else except the voices.

AuraTwilight wrote:So that thar Genderbending Project. It rocks.

Now THAT's something awesome.

I'm lesbian for Kyonko.

AuraTwilight wrote:So that thar Genderbending Project. It rocks.

You damn right it does. I'd totally do kyonko >_>

AuraTwilight wrote:So that thar Genderbending Project. It rocks.

It rocked alright ^^... and even tho' I'm straight... I can't help thinking that nagato looks better as a guy T_T......

Genderbending does rock, but the fact that I think Kyonko looks cute is confusing me >.>