Aura

[Skeith805]

K. Sorry to make you look back. I should've gone and looked it up myself. (like I went to the trouble to post those pics of the Dual Gunner Meter)

Thank you.

[Ravaan]

We see that she isn't ALL powerful in //udeden, and there are ways to get rid of her.

Please Crow, tell me you aren't referring to the anime. PLEASE!

[Grimmjow Jaggerjack]

Just a question? Is this aura the same aura from the first four games or a whole new one entirely just like kite.

[Azure crow]

We see that she isn't ALL powerful in //udeden, and there are ways to get rid of her.

Please Crow, tell me you aren't referring to the anime. PLEASE!

I'm referring to the Anime.

Just a question? Is this aura the same aura from the first four games or a whole new one entirely just like kite.

Same Aura.

[Grimmjow Jaggerjack]

We see that she isn't ALL powerful in //udeden, and there are ways to get rid of her.

Please Crow, tell me you aren't referring to the anime. PLEASE!

I'm referring to the Anime.

Just a question? Is this aura the same aura from the first four games or a whole new one entirely just like kite.

Same Aura.

How is that possible/ I thought that the reason for G.U.'s birth was cause Aura dissapeared from the original "The World".

[Azure crow]

We see that she isn't ALL powerful in //udeden, and there are ways to get rid of her.

Please Crow, tell me you aren't referring to the anime. PLEASE!

I'm referring to the Anime.

Just a question? Is this aura the same aura from the first four games or a whole new one entirely just like kite.

Same Aura.

How is that possible/ I thought that the reason for G.U.'s birth was cause Aura dissapeared from the original "The World".

she did.

 She thought humanity was to reliant on her,so she chose to fall asleep and let humanity help itself.But before AIDa appaeared,she created the Azure Knights to keep things regular,but they had to be realeased before they were complete.
She talks to Haseo at the end of Vol 3,and well as during it.

[Ravaan]

Crow, we know the anime was aggravatingly non-cannon. That's not really a valid point. D:

[Azure crow]

That may be,but it still portrays that Aura is not completly indestructable.
If the right measures were taken,Aura would be destroyed.

For example,if the internet was destroyed,then replaced with entirely new sytems everywhere,with none of the old components,Aura would vanish.

[AuraTwilight]

Unless she uses the same principle used to induce Tsukasa's condition to project her mind into the new network.

[Azure crow]

Unless she uses the same principle used to induce Tsukasa's condition to project her mind into the new network.

Well,Tsukasa was still attached tomachinary,and there is a chance that it's the brain activity that connected Tsukasa to her real self,and Aura would have no connection to the new system.
I'm talking about doing the equivilant of taking any machinary and files/data that related to or are part of the internet itself or it's system,destroying them completly,then replaceing them with totally new parts.


I understand wat you saying,but by the time the new system was up Aura concious mind would be destroyed or rendered inactive,and she couldn't project herself,especially not without some biological or file-related link to the other system.

And I'd say Herald would be pretty annoyed,but he and the entire blackbox would also be wiped out by this.

See my logic?
Makes you think that actually destroying Aura would be a royal pain,that would cost and uncermountable amount of money (or one tantrum from Cubia)

[AuraTwilight]

Well,Tsukasa was still attached tomachinary,and there is a chance that it's the brain activity that connected Tsukasa to her real self,and Aura would have no connection to the new system.

It was life support machinery, it had no connection to Za Warudo or Tsukasa's consciousness. The metaphysics at work in .hack make it painfully obvious that minds can exist in places the laws of physics dictate they should. AKA, clairovoyance, astral projection, telepathy, etc. If Tsukasa can project his mind into Za Warudo from her body, Aura can presumably project her consciousness from one network to another.

I'm talking about doing the equivilant of taking any machinary and files/data that related to or are part of the internet itself or it's system,destroying them completly,then replaceing them with totally new parts.

Ok. Doesn't change my point though.

I understand wat you saying,but by the time the new system was up Aura concious mind would be destroyed or rendered inactive,and she couldn't project herself,especially not without some biological or file-related link to the other system.

You know how totally IMPOSSIBLE it would be to destroy the entire internet? Not even Pluto's Kiss could do that. Not even Cubia. Aura could survive somehow, and even still, there's no rule that says that mental projection was limited by time. A person could launch their mind forward or backward in the timeline. GU+ implies this is possible.

And I'd say Herald would be pretty annoyed,but he and the entire blackbox would also be wiped out by this.

Impossible, for the same reasons as Aura. The Black Box is supernatural by the time of GU.

See my logic?

See mine?

Makes you think that actually destroying Aura would be a royal pain,that would cost and uncermountable amount of money(or one tantrum from Cubia)

You can't destroy the Internet without destroying the Earth. Cubia makes this painstakingly clear.

[Azure crow]

Alright,let's assume that destroying the internet wouldn't have a bad affect,or that it wouldn't matter to humans who have become sick of Aura and life:

If the interent's many components were removed,destroyed,and not replaced for a great many years,than Aura wouldn't have the same chance to jump.
Your point is logical,but it's the same as two electrons on distant atoms.

If two different atoms are on different sides of the planet,and exchange in negative charge(Elctsons) would be a failure due to the distance between them.

Now,let's change that.

Let's assume the negative charge is Aura,and the distance is the equivilant of time in between when the internet is taken apart,and when it is reassemlbed.
It wouldn't work.

And as far as Tsukasa goes,if The World had been destroyed at any time when she was a wandering lost one,than she would have returned,because the mind would go back to it's nearest source,whcih to every human is the biological half.

Aura has no biological half,so if the internet is destroyed,then her mind would have nowhere to escape to,and she would die like any human without a living body.
The mind can exist in metaphysical ways,but it is always in a placw that exists,wether it be trapped in The World,an object(such as Skeiths wand in Sora case),or it's still in the biological half,but is being repressed by the metaphysical power that affects the lost ones.

Understand my logic?
And I'm not arguing with alot of yours,but my point is that Aura can be destroyed.
Wether or not it would destroy the planet is not my point.

[Jimbob]

Although considering her power she would likely catch on to whatever they were doing to the net beforehand and stop them. So it isn't likely they could succeed.

[Azure crow]

And humans would never want to destroy her,whats your point?
that's why is hypothetical.
And we don't know what she would do if she knew it was happening.
She wouldn't destroy the p;anet.because that would destroy her,and she can't get rid of us,because she needs us for the working components of the interent to be repaired from the outside.
And we don't know if she would leave if asked,and die,as she is willing to become inactive without being asked,and may not even hold life in very high respect.
She may consider life just another way to exist,and may die happily.
Like I said,it's all hypothetical anyway.

(On a side note,I love debates like this.Such things bring out the smartest and most elite of everyone,and I just love talking to everyone there,because I feel that whatever answer is achieved,mine or not,would be equally respected as correct,and good references are born from them,such as "Data Blades" and "<3 Heart Power".
So please,keep going.
I love nothing more than to talk like this,even if I'm not on the same level as the speaker(I have no idea how respected I am on the board,just that I'm not one of the inexperienced members))

[Rengeki]

I doubt she would give up her life easily if she still had some uncompleted resolution.

[AuraTwilight]

Alright,let's assume that destroying the internet wouldn't have a bad affect,or that it wouldn't matter to humans who have become sick of Aura and life:

But it is, so it's pointless to speculate.

If the interent's many components were removed,destroyed,and not replaced for a great many years,than Aura wouldn't have the same chance to jump.
Your point is logical,but it's the same as two electrons on distant atoms.

I explained this before. For the transferrence of consciousness, time isn't a factor.

If two different atoms are on different sides of the planet,and exchange in negative charge(Elctsons) would be a failure due to the distance between them.

Wrong. Quantum Physics says that electrons can technically not only go anywhere by travelling the same distance, but also slip in and out of existence to the point of being in two places simultaniously. You fail.

And as far as Tsukasa goes,if The World had been destroyed at any time when she was a wandering lost one,than she would have returned,because the mind would go back to it's nearest source,whcih to every human is the biological half.

The more likely scenario was that Tsukasa would continue to wander Za Warudo despite it's destruction, because that's where she THINKS she is.

Aura has no biological half,so if the internet is destroyed,then her mind would have nowhere to escape to,and she would die like any human without a living body.
The mind can exist in metaphysical ways,but it is always in a placw that exists,wether it be trapped in The World,an object(such as Skeiths wand in Sora case),or it's still in the biological half,but is being repressed by the metaphysical power that affects the lost ones.

The mind is wherever and whenever they think they are. Fact. The possession of a biological half doesn't factor into the equation.

Understand my logic?

Yes. Unfortunately, your logic is wrong.

And I'm not arguing with alot of yours,but my point is that Aura can be destroyed.
Wether or not it would destroy the planet is not my point.

No one said she couldn't be destroyed, so why are you arguing it?

[Azure crow]

Alright,let's assume that destroying the internet wouldn't have a bad affect,or that it wouldn't matter to humans who have become sick of Aura and life:

But it is, so it's pointless to speculate.

If the interent's many components were removed,destroyed,and not replaced for a great many years,than Aura wouldn't have the same chance to jump.
Your point is logical,but it's the same as two electrons on distant atoms.

I explained this before. For the transferrence of consciousness, time isn't a factor.

If two different atoms are on different sides of the planet,and exchange in negative charge(Elctsons) would be a failure due to the distance between them.

Wrong. Quantum Physics says that electrons can technically not only go anywhere by travelling the same distance, but also slip in and out of existence to the point of being in two places simultaniously. You fail.

And as far as Tsukasa goes,if The World had been destroyed at any time when she was a wandering lost one,than she would have returned,because the mind would go back to it's nearest source,whcih to every human is the biological half.

The more likely scenario was that Tsukasa would continue to wander Za Warudo despite it's destruction, because that's where she THINKS she is.

Aura has no biological half,so if the internet is destroyed,then her mind would have nowhere to escape to,and she would die like any human without a living body.
The mind can exist in metaphysical ways,but it is always in a placw that exists,wether it be trapped in The World,an object(such as Skeiths wand in Sora case),or it's still in the biological half,but is being repressed by the metaphysical power that affects the lost ones.

The mind is wherever and whenever they think they are. Fact. The possession of a biological half doesn't factor into the equation.

Understand my logic?

Yes. Unfortunately, your logic is wrong.

And I'm not arguing with alot of yours,but my point is that Aura can be destroyed.
Wether or not it would destroy the planet is not my point.

No one said she couldn't be destroyed, so why are you arguing it?

I've got a couple of things to say:

1-Damn Quantem Physics and all they entail,for being in your mindset and for you bringing it up thusly.I officially hate them now.They are evil.
Yet,I'm still as intreagued,and will continue to study them(just started a couple of weeks ago)

2-We really couldn't say what would happen to the mind of a wandering lost one,if The World or the internet were destroyed.


3-I still love these discussions,and love one-one-ones with the smarter members,despite whatever anyone may think of me.

4-New theory.
The internet is destroyed,and the world survives due to a carefull deconstruction.
The Internet is then never replaced.
Aura would be destroyed,and would never have another wide spread area that she could return to and manifest as a whole mind.


5-I never said that anyone said Aura couldn't be destroyed,this just happened to be the result of me bringing up the virus in //udeden.
I'd give anything to full this kind of conversation.

6-And AuraTwilight,forgive my language,as it's not the way I operate,but damn your infuence as well.
I've started answering some posts with "Wrong" as a sentence,pressing enter,then continuing with the point.
The only person who notably does that is you.
Curse you.



(I think I'vr finally found the same state of mind I have back in the good days,where all I cared about was the purity of debate and the well kept,yet unstrict,order of the board.
I'm pretty happy about that.)

[AuraTwilight]

1-Damn Quantem Physics and all they entail,for being in your mindset and for you bringing it up thusly.I officially hate them now.They are evil.
Yet,I'm still as intreagued,and will continue to study them(just started a couple of weeks ago)

Quantum Physics = Awesome. Theoretically, if you get "small" enough on the scale of subatomic particles, time and space literally cease existing and the laws of physics no longer apply.

2-We really couldn't say what would happen to the mind of a wandering lost one,if The World or the internet were destroyed.

Yes we can. "The Mind is wherever it thinks it is." If Tsukasa thought he was trapped in Za Warudo, he'd be trapped in Za Warudo no matter what the hell happened to it. Hell, the very existence of the AI's proves that the actual hardware isn't an issue. Hosting a human mind would require a handful of Terabytes, which is trillions of megabytes. Now considering that Za Warudo is home to an entire community of AI's, and well...

3-I still love these discussions,and love one-one-ones with the smarter members,despite whatever anyone may think of me.

Same.

4-New theory.
The internet is destroyed,and the world survives due to a carefull deconstruction.
The Internet is then never replaced.
Aura would be destroyed,and would never have another wide spread area that she could return to and manifest as a whole mind.

She would continue to exist, and so would Za Warudo and the Internet from Aura's point of view. Humans would just have no access to it because they believe it was destroyed, so the two planes of information would basically be severed.

6-And AuraTwilight,forgive my language,as it's not the way I operate,but damn your infuence as well.
I've started answering some posts with "Wrong" as a sentence,pressing enter,then continuing with the point.
The only person who notably does that is you.
Curse you.

"And the AT told Eve "Eat of the fruit, for if you did, you shall be as the Mawd Gawd, knowing awesome and pwn. And lo, did the Lord kicketh Eve out of the Garden of Eatin' and on her pasty snake-fondling ass."

[Dragoon2044]

"And the AT told Eve "Eat of the fruit, for if you did, you shall be as the Mawd Gawd, knowing awesome and pwn. And lo, did the Lord kicketh Eve out of the Garden of Eatin' and on her pasty snake-fondling ass."

Oh that is just rich. haha

[Jigoku-no-Yamimaru]

I know this is kind of off topic but:
If they create another .hack series, how long after G.U. do you think it would take place?
What would the Aura-related crisis be?

And AT, for future reference, please try and keep Quantum Physics out of discussions, I'm sure there are other people like me on this forum: Those who don't understand Quantum Physics at all, it just gives us head-aches