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So then how are they going to get rid of it then?

 Ovan got rid of them after rebooting the interwebs with his epitaph remember?

Although I'm not sure if the AIDA is gone permanently.

That seemed like a temporary fix. Since they never found out what caused it in the first place they could come back. Plus aren't they supposed to be in the conculsion OVA?

Kite6669 wrote:When does this conversation take place?

Right after Haseo, Ina, and Yata find Aura.

Kite6669 wrote:I never said she was messing with the net. It was thanks to her disappearing that everything fell apart. Watch the fifth video of the Terminal disk again, you'll see what I mean.

You should watch it again too. Everything fell apart because she stopped messing with the net. She never left The World, she just took on a more passive role...

Kite6669 wrote:Well now I know what happens to Aura, thanks for clearing that up for me. But this hole key thing, Kuukais saying that this metaphor has to do with Ovan being possessed both by the AIDA and the Avatar. Your saying now this metaphor has to do with Aura and AIDA. Witch is it, Aura and AIDA or AIDA and Avatar? So from what I read up, If Ovan never had Aura in his arm or in his Epitaph and she was in "The Worlds" OS all this time, what does Ovan have to do with Aura? Does he have her power or something? Because that's what I read about a while back when I herd he had these two keys.

Both, pretty much. The Key of Twilight is a highly ambiguous term but that aside, those chosen by Avatars are equated (by Yata, at least, in some cool symbolism) as those "loved" by The World, and hence Aura. Yata also suspects that Aura was behind Fidchell's prophecy, a suggestion she just kinda glazes over and never confirms or denies.

Fragments.beta wrote:I personally like the whole theory of AIDA being clumps of emotional data, with no one to funnel to. It is after all the core programing of R:1. It's got a good sense of irony too, since this is essentially a fragment of Morganna. So despite being dead she still makes her presence felt and causes trouble to The World.

Except Aura is that system now, and Morganna is a bunch of cool fighting robots tied to the hearts of players.

Jimbob wrote:That seemed like a temporary fix. Since they never found out what caused it in the first place they could come back. Plus aren't they supposed to be in the conculsion OVA?

I think it's supposed to be more of a character thing, though maybe. The Perfect Guide better, at least.

I've heard a couple things here,one being that Cubia is the anti existance of the avatars/epitaphs,and two being that he was the anti-existance of Aura.

If the first is true,would destroying him destroy the avatars?

And if the latter was true,he would be almost god like in the worlds,both the game and the real world,and destorying him would destroy Aura.

After all,a being cannot exist without casting it's shadow.
No shadow means no being.

So which one of these theoryies(if either) is true?

He's the shadow of the Epitaph Users, Aura doesn't do anything, and wouldn't form a shadow even if she did, being a "natural" part of the system. The Epitaphs were forcibly removed from The World's "Sea of Data", creating an unchecked power. As far as we can tell (post-game is pretty much uncanonical, but I think Aura still refers to them as the "Children of Morganna", and Haseo can still DD), Cubia was defeated without them destroying the Epitaphs. It would certainly make more sense if they did, but it seems like they didn't. It's not that destroying Cubia would destroy the Epitaphs, just that they're kinda breaking a rule by killing off their own shadow, not the source of it.

What seems to have happened is that Haseo's thoughts summoned what was left of Ovan, and he somehow sacrificed himself to stop Cubia. No other Epitaphs were destroyed. If I wrote the ending, all the other Epitaphs would have been destroyed along with him, but whatever... Ovan started the thing, but all the Epitaph Users are one entity as far as Cubia goes. Heck, the core looks like Haseo...

Then again, there's the ever possible theory that Skeith's "Terror of Death" ability (whatever it might be) bent the rules and destroyed Cubia without a sacrifice. Ovan's summoning seemed more to be a lending of his power than "LOL sacrifice."

Kuukia wrote:Except Aura is that system now, and Morganna is a bunch of cool fighting robots tied to the hearts of players.

Hence the term "fragment of Morganna", its just a piece of her, not self-aware, just runing the program aimlessly like its echoing R:1. Just because Aura is the system doesnt, mean some part of Morganna is left. Heck she certainly has no control of the aforementioned cool robots. Not to mention Aura isn't around anymore to fix stuff for lazy, lazy CC Corp and the Avatars have evolved far past the parameters of Morganna Mode Gone. Everything changes, but alittle bits and pieces remain. Thats my theory anyway.

Kuukai wrote:You should watch it again too. Everything fell apart because she stopped messing with the net. She never left The World, she just took on a more passive role...

You sure about that? Looking at the video again, I don't see anything in there that dictates that she was "messing with the net" or thanks to her, "she stopped messing with the net" that everything fell apart. But it does say thanks to her "vanishing", everything started to fall apart. Yes they did suspect it was some kind of new virus first but in the end, people said it was thanks to Aura disappearing. I don't know were your getting your information from, but you are incorrect. Also, you keep affirming that I said she left "The World" when I perfectly made it clear that I meant she went to sleep. Stop making it sound that I said she left "The World" literally.

Both, pretty much. The Key of Twilight is a highly ambiguous term but that aside, those chosen by Avatars are equated (by Yata, at least, in some cool symbolism) as those "loved" by The World, and hence Aura. Yata also suspects that Aura was behind Fidchell's prophecy, a suggestion she just kinda glazes over and never confirms or denies.

So your saying it was because Ovan was loved by "The World" in other words by "Aura", that he was able to get her power?

AuraTwilight wrote:Then again, there's the ever possible theory that Skeith's "Terror of Death" ability (whatever it might be) bent the rules and destroyed Cubia without a sacrifice. Ovan's summoning seemed more to be a lending of his power than "LOL sacrifice."

That would make a bit more sense if he was using Skeith at the time, though...

Fragments.beta wrote:Hence the term "fragment of Morganna", its just a piece of her, not self-aware, just runing the program aimlessly like its echoing R:1. Just because Aura is the system doesnt, mean some part of Morganna is left. Heck she certainly has no control of the aforementioned cool robots. Not to mention Aura isn't around anymore to fix stuff for lazy, lazy CC Corp and the Avatars have evolved far past the parameters of Morganna Mode Gone. Everything changes, but alittle bits and pieces remain. Thats my theory anyway.

Well, I think the term is more like "Morganna Factor", they're essentially the same as the phases: different facets of the entity formerly known as Morganna. This is emphasized by Aura referring to Haseo and the others as the "Children of Morganna". The aim of G.U. was to bring back the Morganna system, and in that respect it seems pretty clear they succeeded. Anyway, that actually has nothing to do with my point, we actually agree that Aura is now The World's system and Morganna isn't. All I'm saying is that Morganna wouldn't be the one controlling data flow anymore.

Kite6669 wrote:You sure about that? Looking at the video again, I don't see anything in there that dictates that she was "messing with the net" or thanks to her, "she stopped messing with the net" that everything fell apart.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were saying anything you weren't. It says that Aura was the ultimate debugger, and later gives the reason for the network trouble as the systems reverting to their original specs, which they blame on Aura. I don't see why they'd make this connection if she wasn't applying her abilities to the rest of the Internet. CC's entire purpose in restoring her is to control a new network "golden age" through her, not just to make The World more fun.

Kite6669 wrote:So your saying it was because Ovan was loved by "The World" in other words by "Aura", that he was able to get her power?

I'm saying that that metaphor is used. How accurate it is to the reality though, I do not know. It certainly has more to do with his compatibility than Aura's love, though. Not matter how much Aura likes Piroshi, he's not gonna be an Epitaph User... But as facets of the Key of the Twilight (in this case being the "independence" of The World, the part that makes new things that weren't originally there), they are certainly related and the symbolism is justified.

You sure about that? Looking at the video again, I don't see anything in there that dictates that she was "messing with the net" or thanks to her, "she stopped messing with the net" that everything fell apart. But it does say thanks to her "vanishing", everything started to fall apart. Yes they did suspect it was some kind of new virus first but in the end, people said it was thanks to Aura disappearing. I don't know were your getting your information from, but you are incorrect. Also, you keep affirming that I said she left "The World" when I perfectly made it clear that I meant she went to sleep. Stop making it sound that I said she left "The World" literally.

Aura was running the damn Internet as the world's best Debugger. When she left, the entire internet collapsed, unable to operate without her help, and the public THOUGHT it was a virus.

So your saying it was because Ovan was loved by "The World" in other words by "Aura", that he was able to get her power?

It's just a metaphor for being an Epitaph User.

That would make a bit more sense if he was using Skeith at the time, though...

If he can use Data Drain, or see Avatar Space, or Area Hack without summoning the Avatar, the same might apply to it's Epitaph powers.

Yeah, I don't know what to think anymore, really, the Cubia thing makes like, less sense now... Whatever, it hurts my head to think about the defeat of Cubia, so whatever point you were trying to make, I'll just give it to you... :P

Yea, I've given up on trying to explain Cubia until the OVA, now.

perhaps the conbining of the epitaphs didn't "destroy" cubia,but rather shut him down,and returned hom to the stat he was in before Kite Data Drained Skeith in infection.
The Avatars VS Cubia would be equal mass,in a way of speaking,so thsat would possibly force cubia to shut down.
This would result in Cibia's defeat without the Avatars distruction.

Except that's totally consistent with how Kite defeated Cubia and is totally unfounded. Plus...  It turns out Cubia is the Anti-Existence of Xth Form.