Vol 3 Discussion Thread *SPOILERS*

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:13 am

Wait what are you trying to imply here. I don't get it. Is Sora supposed to be the "friend" that suggested Haseo play in the first place. Or is Haseo Sora? The latter doesn't make sense seeing as how clueless he was when he started.

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:13 am

Kuukai wrote:Lots of people just... made the connection. In fact, one person I saw on a BBS I was reading figured it out because his elementary school Japanese class was reading Narrow Road to the Deep North (which is presumably exactly the way Haseo and Sora came up with it). Haseo is a rendering of the Bashou, the name of a famous poet. Sora is confirmed to be named after Kawai Sora, his student, who's most famous for appearing in Bashou's story, "Narrow Road to the Deep North".

That's an interesting find. Maybe the theory that Sora introduced Haseo to The World might be true.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:18 am

Yes, it's the "friend" theory, not the "is" theory, and I'm amazed you guys haven't heard it... I for one have been pretty sure of this since Rebirth came out in June, because of the scene were Atoli asks...

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:19 am

Kuukai wrote:Yes, it's the "friend" theory, not the "is" theory, and I'm amazed you guys haven't heard it... I for one have been pretty sure of this since Rebirth came out in June, because of the scene were Atoli asks...

I heard that "Haseo" was connected to "Sora", but I had no idea how.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:23 am

No never heard of it or thought of it. But I've only played Rebirth.

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:26 am

Well, there were no details other than Atoli commenting on Haseo's name in any of the games. I don't even think Sora was ever mentioned.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:28 am

It pretty much confirmed there was something to his name though, and that something can really only be one thing, according to what the Japanese fans have come up with... There really just aren't any other theories about it...

Domino · Post by **Domino** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:44 am

Sora and Haseo have many things together. I mean the Player Killing ok makes one on PKK and they both had Skith. But I think that Skith was controlled Sora in the first storys and now Haseo controlls Skith. But I think too, that are only theories of japan fans of .hack//

Exotahu · Post by **Exotahu** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:58 am

I think Kuhn is hiding something, the Terminal Disk said That CC corp. was able to keep the Magus epitaph locked up after the incident, how would Kuhn, a seemingly average player, have gotten it?

What does it mean "More devious than vol2's false ending"? Is it gonna be some uber cliff-hangar?

ashlay · Post by **ashlay** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 am

Exotahu wrote:I think Kuhn is hiding something, the Terminal Disk said That CC corp. was able to keep the Magus epitaph locked up after the incident, how would Kuhn, a seemingly average player, have gotten it?

What does it mean "More devious than vol2's false ending"? Is it gonna be some uber cliff-hangar?

that wasn't too devious though. I mean there's a whole 3rd volume and Ovan is the rebirth.

hopefully it'll be something more ridiculously tricky this time around. that volume 2 plot twist wasn't really that unexpected. ;_;

Tsugasa-kun · Post by **Tsugasa-kun** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:20 pm

ashlay wrote:
Exotahu wrote:I think Kuhn is hiding something, the Terminal Disk said That CC corp. was able to keep the Magus epitaph locked up after the incident, how would Kuhn, a seemingly average player, have gotten it?

What does it mean "More devious than vol2's false ending"? Is it gonna be some uber cliff-hangar?
that wasn't too devious though. I mean there's a whole 3rd volume and Ovan is the rebirth.

hopefully it'll be something more ridiculously tricky this time around. that volume 2 plot twist wasn't really that unexpected. ;_;

Kuhn isn't hiding anything. Its easy to access it since CC corp probably put it back into the lottery for proper player types. Simple as that. Just like the other avatars they got put out into the choices after everything was set. The Fire has nothing to do with how they got their avatars

JamesBeardIV · Post by **JamesBeardIV** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:55 pm

Tsugasa-kun wrote:
ashlay wrote:
Exotahu wrote:I think Kuhn is hiding something, the Terminal Disk said That CC corp. was able to keep the Magus epitaph locked up after the incident, how would Kuhn, a seemingly average player, have gotten it?

Kuhn isn't hiding anything. Its easy to access it since CC corp probably put it back into the lottery for proper player types. Simple as that. Just like the other avatars they got put out into the choices after everything was set. The Fire has nothing to do with how they got their avatars

Actually, the security administration scanned the players (not the emplyees) in "the world" for chosen ones so its highly likely that that nutcase Amagi was using average players in "The World" as guinei pigs, since none of the GU employees were able to control epitaph characters. Further possible proof of this is given in file #1 where he mentions two characters in particular. Its only obvious that the other one there musta been the first test animal for Project GU. And hey, turns out the first epitaph character was the only one to be recovered.

Its more likely Pi and Yata were lying when they said they found him on a random scan unless they arent actually part of the security administration.

Tylec · Post by **Tylec** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:53 pm

JamesBeardIV wrote: Its more likely Pi and Yata were lying when they said they found him on a random scan unless they arent actually part of the security administration.

About that - does the G.U. series give any definite proof that Pi and Yata are true CC-Corp employees, and not simply hackers working under a convenient alias?

some problems:

-In the Interim Reports, Jun is adament about keeping Tarvos out of CC-Corp's hands. And yet little sissy goes straight to the enemy and gives the company all they need to cause another Amagi Incident.
Is Jun a bad judge of character and is his sister an oportunistic back-stabber, or is Reiko actually operating outside of the Corp's jurisdiction?

-if the activities of TaN were all a big sting by SystemAdmin to capture Ovan, then why does the Corp shut down the guild and delete the PCs of their undercover agents, thus eliminating a major source of information and manpower? Couldn't they overlook some "illegal activities" if it's for a greater good?

-if Magus was under CC-Corp lock and key, then why didn't Yata and Pi contact Kuhn from the beginning? As the only "official" avatar under company control, you'd think they'd want to watch and train this kid like he's an olympic athlete.

-Pi seems to accept the Azure Kite=Tri-Edge theory, given that she wilingly fights him at the end of vol. 1. If AK is really a CC-Corp security AI, then why is she trashing her own company's data? Wouldn't someone brief her about this zombie-like virus-scanner?

Either CC-Corp has some lousy inter-department communication, or something's suspicious about those two.

HiroshiKazu · Post by **HiroshiKazu** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:54 am

Tylec wrote:
JamesBeardIV wrote: Its more likely Pi and Yata were lying when they said they found him on a random scan unless they arent actually part of the security administration.
About that - does the G.U. series give any definite proof that Pi and Yata are true CC-Corp employees, and not simply hackers working under a convenient alias?

some problems:

-In the Interim Reports, Jun is adament about keeping Tarvos out of CC-Corp's hands. And yet little sissy goes straight to the enemy and gives the company all they need to cause another Amagi Incident.
Is Jun a bad judge of character and is his sister an oportunistic back-stabber, or is Reiko actually operating outside of the Corp's jurisdiction?

-if the activities of TaN were all a big sting by SystemAdmin to capture Ovan, then why does the Corp shut down the guild and delete the PCs of their undercover agents, thus eliminating a major source of information and manpower? Couldn't they overlook some "illegal activities" if it's for a greater good?

-if Magus was under CC-Corp lock and key, then why didn't Yata and Pi contact Kuhn from the beginning? As the only "official" avatar under company control, you'd think they'd want to watch and train this kid like he's an olympic athlete.

-Pi seems to accept the Azure Kite=Tri-Edge theory, given that she wilingly fights him at the end of vol. 1. If AK is really a CC-Corp security AI, then why is she trashing her own company's data? Wouldn't someone brief her about this zombie-like virus-scanner?

Either CC-Corp has some lousy inter-department communication, or something's suspicious about those two.

Well we currently don't know a lot about Yata. Pi however we know for sure to be Jun's sister, so although that doesn't really prove for a fact that she is a CC corp admin. What kinda does prove that they are admins is the fact that they can observe all players of the world openly. Openly meaning that their @home isn't exactly firewalled from CC corp.

Pi herself doesn't know the exact full situation. All that Jun really left Pi with was Project GU and the Pi avatar.

Post by **Kuukai** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:10 am

Yes, Yata and Pi both work for CyberConnect. it's sorta obvious with their scanning abilities in Vol.1, but by Vol.2 it's certain. Also, Pi seems to be under a different name than her brother, possibly an alias, and the reason she abruptly switched her job is shrouded in mystery. She has almost no ties to anyone, except her "infatuation" with Yata. Added with the fact that she's The Avenger, I'm pretty sure she's undercover, taking things into her own hands... Jun gave Tarvos to her for that very purpose, after all. No one questions her Avatar since they supposed it was just floating in the sea of data with the rest.

TaN was just one of Yata's many fronts, it wasn't particularly unique or useful, and preventing the dissolution would have given away the fact that TaN was just being used by the admins, anyway. Either way it would lose its usefulness, why not go with the least suspicious method?

Yata knows a lot more than Pi, and even Pi has been incredibly deceptive towards Haseo in the past. She may or may not know about TSN (and if she does she knows it regenerates), but Yata probably does. I'd think that Yata might have led him astray from the same reasons as Ovan: to hasten Haseo's strengthening and awakening as an Epitaph User. An added benefit is the reverse: battling Haseo might make TSN stronger.

My perspective might be out of whack, though. After being up for 40 hours, what I'm saying seems pretty insightful, but when I look at it tomorrow it might looks more like delusional ramblings...

Maive · Post by **Maive** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:52 am

Didn't Yata like ban a player once in ROOTS?

JamesBeardIV · Post by **JamesBeardIV** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:33 pm

Maive wrote:Didn't Yata like ban a player once in ROOTS?

Doesnt appear so. He contacts "upstairs" to do that. He just collected the evidence needed... and then only as a favor for someone he had royally screwed over in the past.

Also, there was a point when a character questioned Pai/Pi about an event, and she responded that they were unable to interfere with official CC Corp events (although if the event in this case was actually official is questionable...).

Both instances can actually make sense if they are security admins like we are led to believe though so its highly likely they do work for CC Corp...

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:35 pm

Administrators are people hired by CC Corp to patrol The World. But I don't really get why Yata hasn't banned a player yet, only give evidence to the higher ups so they can ban the player.

Skeith of the Dawn · Post by **Skeith of the Dawn** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:50 pm

Maybe they can't delete his player or keep him from logging in. Probably for similar reasons are Tsukasa and Kite's players. The logging in thing anyways. I'm sure they couldn't keep Haseo out either.

JamesBeardIV · Post by **JamesBeardIV** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:51 pm

Kouen wrote:Administrators are people hired by CC Corp to patrol The World. But I don't really get why Yata hasn't banned a player yet, only give evidence to the higher ups so they can ban the player.

Because hes a "Security" administrator... or atleast he is supposed to be. The banned player wasnt a security risk... he was just a guy violating a simple rule within the world which wasnt in Yata's jurisdiction. Besides, Yata has more important things to do then fight over why security banned some guy for violating rule so-and-so of the TOS... Black, bubbly things that looked like legless bunnies.

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