(I dunno where my sister keeps getting her information..sigh)
Thanks for clearin' that up~I think you're the first person I've seen who think this is a good thing '-'MizuTakishima wrote:Still, 'bout time something like that happened in .hack//! :D
Well, it's not so much that I think it's good, it's more like...well I mean; why wasn't it thought of/done in dot hack earlier? I mean...why wait 'til now? Unless they honestly ran out of ideas @_@'hidora wrote:I think you're the first person I've seen who think this is a good thing '-'MizuTakishima wrote:Still, 'bout time something like that happened in .hack//!
Actually, it kinda happened already earlier in the series. Tsukasa couldn't log out from the game, so he/she was basically trapped within the game, mind and all. Then it happened again in the introduction of Vol.2 in G.U. All players couldn't log out or in because of the AIDA server's influence, so they were basically trapped in the game as well. Tokio just had his ENTIRE self get projected into the game.MizuTakishima wrote:Well, it's not so much that I think it's good, it's more like...well I mean; why wasn't it thought of/done in dot hack earlier? I mean...why wait 'til now? Unless they honestly ran out of ideas @_@'hidora wrote:I think you're the first person I've seen who think this is a good thing '-'MizuTakishima wrote:Still, 'bout time something like that happened in .hack//!
Bah, sorry if I sound contradictory. I usually try to think before I talk but then I fail at it in epic ways. OTL
Well, yeah, I knew all that. But like. Y'know. The ENTIRE self thing. I'm not sure if it counts as cliche/if they should have thought of it sooner or if they were "saving it" for this new game. Gah too many mixed feelings on my end;;;Advent_Winter wrote:Actually, it kinda happened already earlier in the series. Tsukasa couldn't log out from the game, so he/she was basically trapped within the game, mind and all. Then it happened again in the introduction of Vol.2 in G.U. All players couldn't log out or in because of the AIDA server's influence, so they were basically trapped in the game as well. Tokio just had his ENTIRE self get projected into the game.
I'm sorry, hold the phone. Did you just say Tokuoka looked dorky? GTFO.Tokio looks dorky but so do other offline characters like Tokuoka. He won our hearts so I don't see why Tokio can't.
It's a cliche, for one thing, and secondly, a good number of people think it breaks the suspension of disbelief in .hack. For most of the series, the metaphysics played with the location of the human mind, with the body just going inactive, and while it was clearly supernatural, it was subtle enough to not really break the whole "this could actually happen in a few years, maybe" vibe the series relied on.Well, yeah, I knew all that. But like. Y'know. The ENTIRE self thing. I'm not sure if it counts as cliche/if they should have thought of it sooner or if they were "saving it" for this new game. Gah too many mixed feelings on my end;;;
And your source for this amazingly harsh generalization is...? Also, we're talking about people who frequently read this site, not people who randomly comment about .hack//SIGN on Youtube. I would think they'd be wildly different groups of people: people who actively follow the series and check our news every day vs. more casual fans who saw it on Cartoon Network and can't get over Tsukasa being a girl (which sounds more like what you're thinking of).Tolby wrote:Most .hack fans (the ones from other sites, youtube, ect. The ones you were referring to) are stupid. They are fans that didn't like .hack when it first came out. They think SIGN is too confusing and IMOQ is too boring. They thought Rena and Shugo in the anime were super kawaii chibi oniichans. They take the good of G.U. and **** on it, while taking the bad of G.U. and worship it.
Minds crossing over, cells crossing over, AIDA forming brain tumors. The way I see it it was all just building up to something like this. Anyway, the argument is pointless, some people think it makes sense and some people don't. I was just trying to present the view of those that do.Tolby wrote:Suspension of belief. Yes, .hack isn't reality. It is science fiction. However once you have developed your own world like .hack has then it takes on its own identity. And certain things can't/shouldn't be done without causing suspension of belief for that world. For the rest of this argument.. see AT's post.
If that is truly what you meant, that is fine, and I don't mean to argue. It just seemed to me that you were saying that since .hack broke one real world barrier that it had the right to break any barrier. Which I guess it does. We aren't the creators, but well.. basically what I said in my last post about its own world and identity.Minds crossing over, cells crossing over, AIDA forming brain tumors. The way I see it it was all just building up to something like this. Anyway, the argument is pointless, some people think it makes sense and some people don't. I was just trying to present the view of those that do.
Hehe, reading that made me remember one of the main reasons why I love .hack// in the first place. So I guess I am kinda sad that Link breaks the suspension of disbelief...but, at the same time, I can't help but think what Kuukai said is also pretty true. This part really:AuraTwilight wrote:It's a cliche, for one thing, and secondly, a good number of people think it breaks the suspension of disbelief in .hack. For most of the series, the metaphysics played with the location of the human mind, with the body just going inactive, and while it was clearly supernatural, it was subtle enough to not really break the whole "this could actually happen in a few years, maybe" vibe the series relied on.
He definitely has a point there. I mean. If not the entire body being sucked in, then wouldn't it be just another "my mind is trapped and I can't log out!" thing all over again? Granted I do think it would be fun to actually play as a character who can't log out/were in Tsukasa's shoes. (We wouldn't even be able to check e-mails or read forums; which means more surprises.)Kuukai wrote:Minds crossing over, cells crossing over, AIDA forming brain tumors. The way I see it it was all just building up to something like this.
I really think you're underestimating .hack's fanbase, or at least the people reading this site. We had a room full of live ones to experiment on at ACen and they're generally pretty knowledgeable about even the strange esoteric stuff like listing all the Lost Grounds (I think that ended up being a trivia question someone got). There are people like what you describe on Youtube and Gamfaqs for any series, I wouldn't say they're the same thing as the fans following it. These are places where people go after seeing a show on TV or buying a game, but usually before transitioning to a more rapid stage of fandom.Tolby wrote:Well, I meant anyone who wasn't y'all. The "inbred" part. These forums and related ones.
Source? Personal experience. Youtube, gamefaq, any board that isn't this place, sometimes this place, friends of mine who know I like .hack, pretty much everyone who doesn't know .hack like the back of their hand doesn't know .hack at all. I am not just talking about the cartoon network fans and youtubers. I am talking about people who know about this game, and the future releases. People who do watch the trailers and read the magazine scans. The ones that seem to know everything we do, but at the same time are somehow so terribly misinformed. They just don't seem to care on the same level. Now I'm not saying they have to. .hack isn't the meaning of life, it is a story, entertainment. I understand that, anyone has the right to enjoy any part of the series based on whatever they want.
However, I'm not going to trust their opinion and let them tell me what is and what isn't .hack when they probably don't know themselves. I don't mean to insult, I just don't think the general fanbase, which have come in at various times in the series, and missed various parts of the series is the best way to gauge if this is a good .hack entry. Maybe if its a good game on it own, maybe if their favorite characters were represented correctly, but not as a series entry as a whole. Not when some much of .hack is being toss around together at the same time.
This has already been debated a lot. I don't like sticking with disproven ideas, if there was any rational, objective reason to change my stance I'd probably have done it by now. I was just trying to show the other way of thinking about it. You know, maybe help preserve independent thought on this board. When it comes to Link a lot of people here tend to leave about as much room for debate as a large stone wall.Tolby wrote:If that is truly what you meant, that is fine, and I don't mean to argue. It just seemed to me that you were saying that since .hack broke one real world barrier that it had the right to break any barrier. Which I guess it does. We aren't the creators, but well.. basically what I said in my last post about its own world and identity.
Like I said before, if thats truly what you meant then I'm fine with that. It just didn't seem that way from that single post. I haven't seen you discussing this before. And actually thats why I would say ignore people who haven't been with .hack the whole time. Not that they can't come up with their own opinions and discussion, its just that when fans with so much knowledge on the entire series are debating on rather or not something fits in the .hack world, and each side is making good and valid points, its hard to take the opinion of someone who has only be exposed to a fraction of .hack.That said, I do think they're the same barrier, and that the identity of the series is maintained. Your mind is part of your body, neither of them have any real business floating around in a videogame, but it's fun when they do.
*GASP* You haven't read my dinosaur treatise?Tolby wrote:Maybe I am underestimating the fanbase, I just personally haven't run into many people that knows much outside their area of expertise. In other words, they might know all the lost grounds, but they won't know Blackrose's real name. Or vice versa. Or they'll think Kite and Blackrose from the games are Rena and Shugo, even though they can recite the G.U. games by heart. Or maybe they have looked up the information, but they are looking at the events as simple information because they didn't experience it for themselves. Experiencing it is more valuable then just reading or hearing about it.
But, couldn't you say no one here is qualified based on those criteria? Reading .hack//Epitaph of the Twilight is essential for understanding how teleportation fits in alongside long-established canon, but no one here has read it. I myself have only read the first few chapters but I wouldn't say that qualifies me for much. I really should get around to finishing it, I'm a shamefully lazy reader. But anyway, my point is this: aren't we all pretty handicapped in evaluating Link?Tolby wrote:And actually thats why I would say ignore people who haven't been with .hack the whole time. Not that they can't come up with their own opinions and discussion, its just that when fans with so much knowledge on the entire series are debating on rather or not something fits in the .hack world, and each side is making good and valid points, its hard to take the opinion of someone who has only be exposed to a fraction of .hack.
