KH2: FM+ IS OUT!

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:31 pm

Jakal Of Twilight wrote:ANOHTER OF JOT'S CRAZY THEORIES!:
Hey, could it be that since before Mickey got the keyblade of the dark realm, Sora turned into a heartless...well, maybe tyhats Roxas before he joined Organiation XIII? And also, its common sense to tell that thats The World That Never Was becuase isnt that where Kingdom Heartsis? And the scene was in the past so anyone who believes different, lets have a talk...

you can summon kingdom hearts anywhere...ansem did....

Jakal Of Twilight · Post by **Jakal Of Twilight** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:33 pm

haseoxth wrote:
Jakal Of Twilight wrote:ANOHTER OF JOT'S CRAZY THEORIES!:
Hey, could it be that since before Mickey got the keyblade of the dark realm, Sora turned into a heartless...well, maybe tyhats Roxas before he joined Organiation XIII? And also, its common sense to tell that thats The World That Never Was becuase isnt that where Kingdom Heartsis? And the scene was in the past so anyone who believes different, lets have a talk...
you can summon kingdom hearts anywhere...ansem did....

..........................................................dammit!................................................................................................................................................But it is ion the past?

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:41 pm

i have a specualtion that it maybe.back when the organization was first being formed...or maybe before that.becuase the guy at the end of the trailer looked alot like Xehanort(sp?)in the fact with the eyes and everything...the hair too...it could be xemnas after in the beinging.it would also explain his last words as you defeat him in the game "Key..,keyblade...".to me,i think he was recalling all the despair that the keyblade brought upon him.
and if that popcile dude was roxas,it would explain why he is the only one to use the keyblade.
and im guessing when xigbar said during the fight with him"your nothing compared to the others"he meant the armour guys,seeing as you die after two hits.
and the kingdom hearts in the sky maybe the same one that Xemnas summoned.
but what i really dont get is WHAT THE HELL WAS MICKEY DOING THERE?!?!?!?

laysh · Post by **laysh** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:47 pm

If you notice the guy used the keyblade to summon Kingdom Hearts. And kingdom hearts is only where hearts gather.

sirk · Post by **sirk** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:12 pm

haseoxth wrote:man...the Roxasicle thing got my gurlfriend all teary eyed...and what the hell mickey doing there...useless little mouse...

Nomura stated that Mickey was in there because he thought it would look cool.

haseoxth wrote:and if that popcile dude was roxas,it would explain why he is the only one to use the keyblade.

Huh?

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:46 pm

Just to clarify,what Xemnas actually says when you beat him is:

"Cursed.....Key..Blade......"

It's hard to tell,but listen a few times and you'll pick up on it.

MeultimaSama · Post by **MeultimaSama** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:46 pm

Well, someone beat the Knight.

Here's the after-battle speech: "...That power... That which I sensed in you is..."

And he returns to his original kneeling stance. >_>;

When you fight him again, he goes, "So we meet again, young Keyblade master. I have no power left to give you, nothing save my hatred for Xehanort. Will you allow me to engrave it into your heart?"

Azure crow wrote:Just to clarify,what Xemnas actually says when you beat him is:

"Cursed.....Key..Blade......"

It's hard to tell,but listen a few times and you'll pick up on it.

You're kidding. Everyone just realized this?

Also: I find it odd that the two male knights resemble Roxas and Xemnas, just with slightly different hair colour.

As in, the Nobodies.

Why the Nobodies? Why not the 'Complete' forms, aka 'Xehanort' (That is DEFINITELY not his true name, if the secret movie and the fight indicates anything.) or Sora?

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:41 pm

has anybody actually scrambled the names.In an interview,nomura said all nobody names are scrambles with an X added.And Xehanort names is suppose to have special meaning.If you scrable it,you get No Heart and Another.and nomura also stated this has powerful meaning....ill go look for the interview now...

MeultimaSama · Post by **MeultimaSama** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:51 pm

haseoxth wrote:has anybody actually scrambled the names.In an interview,nomura said all nobody names are scrambles with an X added.And Xehanort names is suppose to have special meaning.If you scrable it,you get No Heart and Another.and nomura also stated this has powerful meaning....ill go look for the interview now...

...I think that's all there is to it. >_> Namely, No Heart and Another. All the Organisation members have names with an X in them to show their 'connection' within themselves.

Anyway, anyone notice the old man's clothes are fitting him, while the KH1 Ansem's clothes seemed a tad too small and tight? Seems to me the size of the clothes might be pointing at something... Like, how Xehanort obtained his clothes.

And about Mickey, do note that the sequence of events was not necessarily in order. Mickey might have arrived several weeks, maybe years, after the fight took place.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:15 pm

no...i t was likely that mickey had arrived at the climax of the fight when Kingdom HEarts appeared,as it was still shining brightly in the sky.

MeultimaSama · Post by **MeultimaSama** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:09 pm

For that I present to you, Exhibit A: The World that Never Was. There's no real way to tell.

Jakal Of Twilight · Post by **Jakal Of Twilight** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:38 am

Yesw, becuase Kigdom Hearts doenst wait until someone opens it, but once open, somone has to shut it.....

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:49 pm

By "open",you mean...?
(seriously,this proves that I'm having a slow week...what with the video in my sig,and the starting of the project that it entails,I have had one of those dull weeks I've heard so much about.)

laysh · Post by **laysh** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:14 pm

Jakal Of Twilight wrote:Yesw, becuase Kigdom Hearts doenst wait until someone opens it, but once open, somone has to shut it.....

Actually the heartless are the ones that open it in the first game and fester inside of it. 2nd game The worlds made a Door for Sora to fight Xemnas. In the new trailer the old man makes the keyblade into a sphere of energy and tosses it up by the looks of summoning KH. All Kingdom Hearts is is a place where hearts gather. (Makes me wounder if a keyblade can hold hearts till there is enough to make a kingdom hearts.)

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:17 pm

the keyblade dosn't hold hearts,it can only release them.
If it could hold them,then the Organization would have had to take Sora's keybalde to make kingdom hearts.

laysh · Post by **laysh** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:25 pm

We dont' know the dark side of the keyblade yet so Im not takeing it out of consideration on my part how ever they keyblade in the first game (The one that was created by the princesses hearts holded there hearts didn't it not?)

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:26 pm

true,but that was less of a keyblade and more of a weapon the organization created to fuel Sora and Riku's adventure,and mabye even turned Sora into a heartless and nobady,which they could then take and use(I.E. Roxas)

laysh · Post by **laysh** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:40 pm

I don't know if the organization XIII had any real part of the events that transpired in the first game. That keyblade was actually suppose to open up the last keyhole.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:46 pm

Ummmhave you PLAYED the remix?
you fight one of them at one point,and it was one of them(Xenmas) who awakend the dark "keyblade" in Riku,who in turn released the darkness in malificent,and which also eventually became what turned Sora into a heartless and Nobody.
Xenmas also was likly the one who put Xehanort's heartless inside riku,and probably the one who drew the heartless to destiny islands in the first place,as well as warned Aora while he was there.

laysh · Post by **laysh** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:05 pm

Actually since Final mix didn't come out to America no I havn't played it only read the ansem reports that was in it. what drew the Heartless in destiny islands I guess could say was Kairi since Xehanort sent her there to find the keyblade master. I already knew you fought an org. member (Most likely Xemnas since he has the same moves) Well since Nomura didnt' even know he was going to make a KH2 Nomura probably ment that Xehanort's Heartless possessed Riku on his own. After all Xehanort's heartless wasn't stupid and could do things on his own.