Harold... still about? [Spoilers]

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:55 pm

Dragoon2044 wrote:you have to ask yourself, would Taihaku have gotten a character upgrade if was rude like Haseo was? he's not multiweapon. another thing. Taihaku nor Haseo really completed the event. the reason being Yata and Pai are always watching Haseo but he suddenly disappeared. I don't think just anyone who made it as far as Taihaku and Haseo would have met Herold. Yata and Pai attempted to flush him out by deleting the event area, but isn't painful forest a lost ground? either way, Haseo's change into flicker form was not Yata's intention nor did Haseo have any idea who he was talking to. Taihaku probably thought it was part of the event and went along with Herold. no doubt he is suspicious.

edit: people went around saying Taihaku won the event, because what else would people think if you show up with this huge mega rare weapon? gossip travels fast and rumor even faster. it might be seen as Taihaku completing the event, but ask Taihaku himself if he thinks that he completed the event, or Haseo.

My theory is that the Forest of Pain event was designed and launched by CC Corp in the usual way. The rumor about the area being a Lost Ground was nothing more than a rumor. The event as designed would have ended with pulling the super-rare weapon out of the stone, but Harald co-opted the event for his own purposes, bringing the winners to meet him. By the standards of the event as designed, both Taihaku and Haseo completed it.

pekerman · Post by **pekerman** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:57 pm

Maybe the real thing of that event is to obtain an ultra-rare weapon (like Taihaku) when the answer is right.

If the answer is wrong, i think that there must be any kind of penalty (like leveling down, game over, etc. besides not having a weapon) and, when happening this thing on Haseo, his Avatar must have Triggered, protecting him (and leveling him up to a Flicker form). And Yata must have noticed that too.

Magus · Post by **Magus** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:45 pm

If that were so, Yata and Pai would not be surprised to see Haseo vanish at the weapon stone. No, it seems to me that Harald used the event to meet those who completed it. Why he would want to do that is more vague.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:48 pm

Harald was not an intended part of the Event. He basically hacked it.

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:24 pm

he didn't really hack it, he just kind of appeared. he's part of the system. yeah shinsou i think i'll go with your conclusion. it does make sense after all. since Herold doesn't know about the well being of his daughter, i'm thinking maybe the destruction of most of revision 1 severed the world itself from aura, leaving the world to fend for itself. the big question is why and how did aura just disappear? or 'run' away like Shino says.

pekerman · Post by **pekerman** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:11 pm

Magus wrote:If that were so, Yata and Pai would not be surprised to see Haseo vanish at the weapon stone. No, it seems to me that Harald used the event to meet those who completed it. Why he would want to do that is more vague.

I didn´t explain well enough. Yata and Pai were surprised when Haseo vanished, indeed. But that could be happened because Skeith´s presence. and THAT WAS the thing that Yata noticed (when saying: "He´s a factor possesor")

bredan · Post by **bredan** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:11 am

Harold is a bad father. how can he not know where aura is??
harold looks ugly with thoose yellow eyes and that red body.i just cant talk about harold all i can do is insult him for being a bad father

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:13 am

Hmm... well if I were a crazy AI with limited power and even limited room to exist, I think I'd be in the same straits as ol' Harald there.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:57 pm

And he doesn't know where Aura is because she like....ran off

out of the whole internet even.

k-su · Post by **k-su** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:59 pm

This whole incident in the painful forest really adds a new twist to the story. Before, we were under the asumption that HArold was not in R2, but nowwe can see that the black box(if it exists) may have been hiding Harold inside and when implanted nto R2, Harold made it over. The epitaph project would have had nothing to do w/Harold's AI but he ma have been around and observant of the failed test-run of the epitaph users in R1. Due to this, the existance of the phases may be known to him. Thismay have even prompted action from Harold in R2.

the phases, being his creation, may have even drawn his AI's attention. Harold may be doing a number of things that connect to find Aura. The fact that Haseo stumbled across Harold may have even lt him be aware of the epitaphs' existance. recognizing this, he may have been prompted to give Haseo the armour or attack him or even capture Haseo's character as a way to examine and maybe fix Skeith to whatever he needed him for.

just speculation, tho

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:23 pm

This whole incident in the painful forest really adds a new twist to the story. Before, we were under the asumption that HArold was not in R2, but nowwe can see that the black box(if it exists) may have been hiding Harold inside and when implanted nto R2, Harold made it over. The epitaph project would have had nothing to do w/Harold's AI but he ma have been around and observant of the failed test-run of the epitaph users in R1. Due to this, the existance of the phases may be known to him. Thismay have even prompted action from Harold in R2.

That would make the "Cursed by Harald's Ghost" quote pretty literal.

the phases, being his creation, may have even drawn his AI's attention

Erm, no. Morganna made them.

k-su · Post by **k-su** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:10 pm

Harold created Morganna to birth Aura, the Ultimate AI and the epitaphs were also made to gather info on the diff aspects of humanity

Morganna, when she went bad, changed the phases, which would act as facets of her personality and she would use them to get at Aura.

So in essence Harold did create them, to represent the phases of the wave from epitaph, aside from their info gathering duty.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:24 pm

Harold created Morganna to birth Aura, the Ultimate AI and the epitaphs were also made to gather info on the diff aspects of humanity

Morganna, when she went bad, changed the phases, which would act as facets of her personality and she would use them to get at Aura.

So in essence Harold did create them, to represent the phases of the wave from epitaph, aside from their info gathering duty.

Morganna didn't change the Phases. She made them. Harald never intended the Phases to be involved in any way. FACT from Analysis.

k-su · Post by **k-su** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:06 pm

Blast....I was wrong then. Then I apologize, AuraTwilight. If it is in Analysis, then its true.

(note to self: gotta get analysis somehow)

Anyways in regard to Harold, I wonder why he chooses the forms he pics. First he'shimself, then a stoneand now a form of a statue. Does this represent some sort of evolution for Harold

the man: limited knowledge of man
the stone: anciet wisdom of times long ago
the statue:(based on look and pose): the enlightenment of time passig by

I realize it sound kinda like BS, but the form changing is really puzzling.

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:14 pm

Those are all actually really good.I do like your reason for the second one very much, that's apparently what he chose as his main AI, to watch the birth... though that only raises more questions then answers.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:44 am

Well, it's implied that all the Harald AI's were made at about the same time "One for every server" as Bear theorized.

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:18 pm

One for every server, and he once theroized that Harald had the same omnisience as Morganna, right? Though... so what Haseo ran into was classic "Delta" server Harald?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:09 pm

Quite possibly.

ciaxsjes · Post by **ciaxsjes** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:07 pm

You know...
instead, have you ever thought that maybe...
the special weapon wasn't the real prize?

I mean its not like Harold(?) said that he failed or anything, only that "I will not grant you the weapon." but maybe add in a "but something better."

I mean, its not like the flicker form is a curse or anything. Right?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:19 pm

Yea, but he pretty much insulted Aura. Harald wouldn't reward someone for badmouthing his daughter or not paying her respect.