Crazy Theory?

Maromi · Post by **Maromi** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:17 pm

^ Mmm, definitely touches into Brahman and enlightenment in Hindu philosophy as well. Reminds me of Siddhartha quite a bit.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:21 pm

Yea, absolutely, but I didn't want to go too deep or I'd be rambling on forever. So I just used an example that someone can recognize from their aneemai cartoonz.

python1 · Post by **python1** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:53 pm

I kinda agree with VKV... I don't think the "Key of Twilight" is anything THAT deep, but rather the element that is required to take The World to its new form. For example, in .hack//sign, the "Key of Twilight" was the girl Aura, for her awakening began the struggle against the 'Wave' of 8 phases. For this new 'World', in .hack//Infection through .hack//Quarantine, I believe the "Key of Twilight" took the form of the bracelet, given to Kite by the girl Aura, since it was the one thing that could defeat the 8 phases, stop the wave, and take The World to yet another form... which leads us to .hack//Roots. I believe that this is what Ovan was talking about when he said the Key of Twilight took on the forms of a forbidden bracelet, and an ultimate AI (Aura).

Jugatsu · Post by **Jugatsu** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:27 pm

Possibly. My theory always was that it was the bracelet, because it's been seen in every series(and has changed throughout the series as well). in Sign it was in Tsukasa's guardian, in IMOQ it was Kite's bracelet, then LLOTTB it was Shugo's bracelet. I don't really have much to make it solid, but I generally believed it was what they refered to. After all it is a power item, it is an item that transcends the game's rules, it is an item that defies logic in the world. However, as I've said there's really nothing to make it exactly a solid theory, so I'm not trying to push it on everyone. But then again as it's been said, it is possible that it is in fact no physical object, but more like an action or power of a sort. Like in the first one for all we know maybe it was just the connection between Tsukasa, Aura, and Morganna. In IMOQ, the book that became the bracelet Kite used. In LOTTB maybe it was the special Data Drain technique by Shugo and Rena. Then again there are various posabilities and unless they physically state/show absolutely what the Key of the Twilight is, there's no telling.

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:05 pm

i think when Ovan jumps from field to field... at least when Tri-edge is moving through the system a shockwave could be felt. Remember the game freezing and Shino suddenly leaving to see Ovan? Also in the last games whenever a phase passed through a field, that area would become altered. the idea probably holds the same for Ovan... hmm...

python1 · Post by **python1** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:01 pm

Isn't the idea for //Roots and //G.U. that the eight main characters gain "avatars" of the eight phases (like Haseo is the Terror of Death...Skeith)? I've been given the impression that was the "certain characteristic" that Ovan saw in Haseo, and the characteristic that causes Tri-edge to target Ovan, Haseo, etc. If so, that will be interesting to see if it results in a kind of reversed perspective, where we follow the new '8 phases' as they are targeted by this powerful foe, Tri-edge. I wonder if the 8 phases in the original World felt the way Haseo and Co. feel now with Kite's character hunting them down and data draining them.

nekoryuuha · Post by **nekoryuuha** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:09 pm

It is possible. After all, being hunted down by such a powerful has to be daunting. Plus, looking back on the past episodes there is one major fact that makes it basically impossible for Ovan to be Kite.

The virus cores.

Ovan seemed to know nothing about then while Kite would know.

python1 · Post by **python1** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:45 pm

I agree. There is no way that Ovan would be Kite. He definitely has a Phase avatar though. I agree with the people who think it's in his left arm. I think that's why Tri-edge is hunting Ovan - to destroy the character with the Phase avatar.

I really don't think Kite's player is in the world anymore. He's just too knowledgable, and it would throw off the story a bit, since a major struggle is figuring out what the heck is up with the world. If Kite's player were in the world, he would have picked up on it right away (especially with all the stuff written in the BBS) and explained it to everyone. And wouldn't that remove a lot of the glamour? That's the same reason I don't think HELBA is in the game anymore either. I'm sure they'd love to play, but it would make everything...too easy. (Perhaps why the World was destroyed and rebuilt? Make things a little easier for the writers to move on?) I think Kite's character data (as Tri-edge) is among the very few things that carried over, because it is something that can give a little nostalgia for people who've followed from the beginning, but can be used in a new way in //roots and //G.U. On top of that, I think Kite/Tri-Edge's character data was just too valuable of a tool for The World to let disappear.

So yeah, I don't think we'll see any direct correlation (sp?) with the past games(old players appearing, etc.), but I believe this series will have something strongly to do with a shadow of the struggle between Kite/Tri-Edge and the 8 Phases. Similar struggle...but with new faces, and maybe a new direction/perspective.

CRtwenty · Post by **CRtwenty** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:54 pm

The "Key of the Twilight" is a reference to Aura. If you recall the BBS post where it was first mentioned (apparently sent by the Harald AI) it read like this.

When the Twilight Eye doth open, so to shall the path to me.
Discourse with me and against that power fight.
When the key that overturns all is possessed everything shall unfold.

Aura is the key, by possessing (awakening) her it started the chain of events that would eventually lead to her death and rebirth.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:15 pm

I agree. There is no way that Ovan would be Kite. He definitely has a Phase avatar though. I agree with the people who think it's in his left arm. I think that's why Tri-edge is hunting Ovan - to destroy the character with the Phase avatar.

Actually, it's implied that his arm and Corbenic are not related at all, because Jun, the man behind the Avatars, has no idea what his arm is supposed to be, and Pai and Yata, two experts on Project GU, kidnap Ovan to see what the heck is up with his arm. It's also stated by Yata that from his observations, whatever is in his Arm has a will of it's own and was in the World since the very beginning, so my current theory is Morganna.

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:24 pm

Now that is an excellent theory! If it is Morganna hiding in his arm, that would make a lot of sense, if Yata does say that... but then again, didn't Rumor also say he was from the very beginning? Not saying that such an unimportant character as Rumor is hiding in his arm... but isn't that the deal with most Vagrant AI's?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:19 am

Yea, but I doubt that Rumor both A) Has the ability to survive the destruction of the old World B) Attach to some guy's arm and abandon his humanoid form, and C) go against his programming and personality by not roleplaying as a rumor-spreading minstrel.

It seems that Vagrant AI's are R:1 exclusive, and AIDA's are R:2 exclusive. Probably because AIDA's are emotionless and have no redeeming qualities as beings and thus fitting in a loveless world, while Vagrant AI's were people and were pretty much embodiments and examples of Aura's love and the whole speel about bridging Man and Computers.

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:25 am

Ah, makes sense, didn't know that Vagrant AI's were wiped out... (poor everyone of the Vagrant AI's that aren't deleted by system admin's and such.) Though I guess since 80% of The World went with it, the AI's being decimated practically to non existence isn't surprising.

CRtwenty · Post by **CRtwenty** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:28 am

Likely most of the Vagrant AI's returned to the winds along with Aura and Zefie... a sort of exodus from a world that refused to accept them, led by their goddess?

Xu Yuan · Post by **Xu Yuan** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:30 am

It's a possibility, but doesn't "Zefie" say that she surpassed being a God and now is above all cause and effect and returning to inactivity? Though "Zefie" does say she is going to return to the winds.

CRtwenty · Post by **CRtwenty** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:34 am

Just because she's distancing herself from humans doesn't mean she did the same with the Vagrant AIs. It only means she stopped being the moderator of the global network system.

It'd be funny if it turns out that she just moved into Kite or Shugo's PC or something. We could even start a spin off series "My Girlfriend, the Computer".

Post by **Kuukai** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:55 am

AuraTwilight wrote:Yea, but I doubt that Rumor both A) Has the ability to survive the destruction of the old World B) Attach to some guy's arm and abandon his humanoid form, and C) go against his programming and personality by not roleplaying as a rumor-spreading minstrel.

It seems that Vagrant AI's are R:1 exclusive, and AIDA's are R:2 exclusive. Probably because AIDA's are emotionless and have no redeeming qualities as beings and thus fitting in a loveless world, while Vagrant AI's were people and were pretty much embodiments and examples of Aura's love and the whole speel about bridging Man and Computers.

True, it does suit the darker atmosphere, but we have no proof AIDA are emotionless, do we? The could just be trying to make an honest evil living in a world that hates them... That doesn't mean they don't have feelings too...

Jugatsu · Post by **Jugatsu** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:34 am

I'm probably gonna get jumped for saying this, but the manga makes little since, and I prefer LLOTTB over the manga it's based off of. I mean for crying out loud, Aura's daughter. How the hell is that supposed to happen?¬_¬ So as far as anything else .hack// is conserned, I find it highly highly doubtful that Zephie will have anything to do with anything beyond the manga.

CRtwenty · Post by **CRtwenty** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:39 am

What's so crazy about Aura having a daughter? I mean... she's an AI with unlimited power over the network. Creating a new AI based on her wouldn't be too difficult.

Zefie shows up in The End of The World anyway... so she has an existence outside of the manga.

Akuta · Post by **Akuta** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:11 am

Hey, the theory of Aura being inside Ovan's arm sounds pretty good. Heck, the name "Key of the twilight" could have a more physical meaning this time around if that's the case.
There IS a lock on his arm afterall.