Avatar Tarvos, more Skeith stuff

[KaenKasharion]

I have a great theory... I'll be posting it in the theories thread.

[SnowManZero]

*start's drooling*

well, i can't think of a theory but damn those are great pic's!

those pic's and velocity7

[Maromi]

I see someone else noticed that as well.

It kind of is starting to look that way,but I see nothing wrong with using that type of concept.It may not be new or unique,it seems to work for G.U.
Atleast in my opinion it does.

Oh, didn't mean there was anything wrong with it, considering the Persona/MegaTen series has been one of my favorites for quite some time.

[Dark Knight Sparda]

well a reason that i think that haseo can control skeith is maybe beacuse skeith aside from macha is the phase that had more contact with people
sora,orca the .hackers, and more and he dd most people to gain data fro the fear of death (his original purpose) and in some point he evolve into a more andvanced AI but with no body and here is were haseo come into play and the other 7 (maybe macha not) have primitive nature and skeith is tring to help the remains of aura since it was his porpes to create the ultimate AI.

[FlameSage]

My assumption, why Haeso can control Skeith, is because he was Data Drained by Tri-Edge, that could give control back to the user when in Phase mode.

It would make sense, since Haeso can't exactly just "reset" his terminal.


I believe the other Player-Phases are like this to. (In a Coma?)

[Dark Knight Sparda]

well maybe they would say that haseo can control Skeith beacuse since he was the firts phase he is also the weakest

[Nenja]

well maybe they would say that haseo can control Skeith beacuse since he was the firts phase he is also the weakest

that not necessary true innis cant even use Data drain. and we dont know how strong SkeithV2 is

[KaenKasharion]

The info that you could control skeith was already released. It was translatd (and in a picture) that you can make him attack. Also, theres a screenie in the Avatar Skeith thread of Skeith using a chainsaw sword, and with his scythe/wand theres a bunch of "O slash", O being the circle button on the ps2 controller.

[ashlay]

We've known about Tri-edge since the very beginning. I believe all of this happens just in the first volume. Ressurection being a key word. More and more I find myself coming to believe that what Ovan is 'raising' is to be ressurected. Anna is still a mystery, though Tri-edge might be a better choice for a final boss in the first volume than Anna.

He's right! The first game is 80 hours long! How do we know that what we have seen is only the tip of the iceburg! Maybe there's more to this then meets the eye!

still, the infinity 8 leave after this game, right? so even if we don't deal with Anna in full, it seems that the phases and the antagonism between tri-edge and Haseo will have to be resolved. (maybe Shino too, unless there's more to her than meets the eye.)

[KrulMagus]

[Off topic] WOW, leave for three days and look what comes in behind my back![/Off Topic]

Anyways, This is cool info, but I'm surprised. You would think that Sakubo would have been showing her Phase before Pai. In fact, by rights she should have been showing it before Haseo. Oh well, I won't worry my poor head over that for now.

Tarvos v.2 looks almost nothing like the original, which I find highly surprising because of how similar Skeith v.2 was to the original.

As to whether Haseo controls Skeith, I doubt it. I think that when Haseo is in Skeith form then It is total AI control. That being said, it seems we will be controlling an AI for some parts of this game. It also seems that Haseo's change to Skeith will not be permanent. (Haseo can't transform into skeith for Tarvos if he already transformed permanently for Anna)

Man so much new info. Must... not... hyperventilate!

[Umbra]

Anyways, This is cool info, but I'm surprised. You would think that Sakubo would have been showing her Phase before Pai. In fact, by rights she should have been showing it before Haseo. Oh well, I won't worry my poor head over that for now.

There is no basis to support such a claim, before anything like this can be stated, we need more info. Sakubo may turn into Gorre before Pai becomes Tarvos, there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. There is also no evidence to suggest that Pai is not a victim of Tri-Edge herself. The Infinity Eight may not necessarily transform into the Phases over time and it will be some other defining factor that makes them change.

Tarvos v.2 looks almost nothing like the original, which I find highly surprising because of how similar Skeith v.2 was to the original.

I don't find it at all surprising, one of the biggest arguments against the appearence of the Phases were that they wouldn't look especially appealing, considering the fact that two of them resemble walls.

As to whether Haseo controls Skeith, I doubt it. I think that when Haseo is in Skeith form then It is total AI control. That being said, it seems we will be controlling an AI for some parts of this game. It also seems that Haseo's change to Skeith will not be permanent. (Haseo can't transform into skeith for Tarvos if he already transformed permanently for Anna)

I won't deny the possibility here, there is no evidence leading in either direction. However, personally, I think it would be impractical to shift from the human point of view to that of an AI. Apart from the fact that it may ruin the illusion of the game, GU is meant to be about human interaction with humans.

It also goes against my Tarvos theory, Pai would be unable to ask Haseo to Data-Drain her if he had no control over Skeith. At the very least, the scene would lose its drama if Skeith would Data-Drain her regardless.

[KrulMagus]

It also goes against my Tarvos theory, Pai would be unable to ask Haseo to Data-Drain her if he had no control over Skeith. At the very least, the scene would lose its drama if Skeith would Data-Drain her regardless.

Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that!

Oh well, looks like I was probably wrong about that, sorry

[wave killer]

Actually I can see the possibility of Haseo not controling Skieth. Don't get me wrong Umbra, you made a very good point but lets say Haseo can't. Pai could be begging for him to data drain her but that doesn't really mean Haseo has control. Maybe when Pai asks Haseo to data drain she really asking him to release Skieth.

[velocity7]

Don't get sidetracked; although this is a discussion in regards to the articles posted, this is not a theory thread.

[Nenja]

the only thing the new tarvos has in common in aparence is a spear is goin true it body.
old tarvos picture spoiler if you havn beat him in the old games http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/ ... Tarvos.png

[sirk]

Well besides being impaled, both Tarvoses have a legless body (the new one has arms though). The new one just has those wings(?) things.

[nekoryuuha]

that not necessary true innis cant even use Data drain. and we dont know how strong SkeithV2 is

Sorry, but Innis did infact have the ability to data drain. You probably just killed it too fast to see.

[Cruel Ruin]

Those pics look really nice thank you so much for posting them lol.^^

[Nenja]

that not necessary true innis cant even use Data drain. and we dont know how strong SkeithV2 is

Sorry, but Innis did infact have the ability to data drain. You probably just killed it too fast to see.

if innis could Data drain why i dont have the innis datadraing cutscene

[nekoryuuha]

don't know. I know Innis can data drain. I've it and been hit by it. Innis probaly doesn't have one because of all it's other attacks get a movie.