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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:34 pm
by Erroneous
Kaoshima wrote:then, pray thee tell, what exactly is Cubia?
Balmung2 wrote: "CUBIA: Morganna could anticipate human behaviour and plan ahead. One example of this was Cubia, a monster designed to balance the game against hackers and edited character data. Cubia was meant to seek out malicious players with illegal abiliteis or items like the bracelet and data drain them, deleting their pc files. Untill kite received the "Book of Twilight" and the bracelet, no players fitting this description had appeared, so Cubia had not been seen. Once the bracelet became active, Cubia sought out Kite whenever he came in contact with Aura, because it believed that Kite was a threat to the system, to which Aura belonged. Cubia did not attack aura or the malfunctioning Morganna because it saw them as parts of the world. Cubia dissapeared when Kite destroyed the Bracelet because the danger to the system was removed and it's job was done. Cubia still remains in the world, however, and should something new appear that threatens the game balance it will launch again. CUBIA COPIED KITE'S CHARACTER DATA EVERY TIME IT WAS LAUNCHED AND WAS ABLE TO KEEP PACE WITH KITE'S INCREASING POWERS.

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:12 pm
by Kaoshima
Thank you, but I was asking AuraTwilight, whose opinion differs greatly, but by reading a different thread, I already have my answer

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:06 pm
by AuraTwilight
then, pray thee tell, what exactly is Cubia?
For those who don't have the answer though, I will answer anyway. Cubia is the dark side of the Bracelet. This is a tad bit more than a metaphor. When Kite Data Drains, some of the data is discarded. After awhile, this corrupted data formed together and formed Cubia. Cubia is the embodiment of corruption in the World, and his lifeforce is connected to the Bracelet. The two cannot exist without the other at this point. Being the Bracelet's opposite, Cubia has the exact opposite will as Kite. Kite wishes to save the World, so Cubia will destroy it. Kite wishes to meet Aura, so Cubia will make sure he can't. Kite will fight Morganna, so Cubia will fight WITH her.

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:31 pm
by Ainmefreak478
I realized there was a figure that look like Kite but I thought it just meant that kite was the core of Cubia.

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:44 pm
by Balmung2
AuraTwilight wrote:
then, pray thee tell, what exactly is Cubia?
For those who don't have the answer though, I will answer anyway. Cubia is the dark side of the Bracelet. This is a tad bit more than a metaphor. When Kite Data Drains, some of the data is discarded. After awhile, this corrupted data formed together and formed Cubia. Cubia is the embodiment of corruption in the World, and his lifeforce is connected to the Bracelet. The two cannot exist without the other at this point. Being the Bracelet's opposite, Cubia has the exact opposite will as Kite. Kite wishes to save the World, so Cubia will destroy it. Kite wishes to meet Aura, so Cubia will make sure he can't. Kite will fight Morganna, so Cubia will fight WITH her.

Makes sense, and I've heard about the yin-yang thing, but I do beleive it is both, but that is just going more in-depth(in some parts) for a lack of words...Anyway, I'm pretty sure Im right ;). So in my opinion (or fact), that's Why Kite is in Cubia (check my earlier post).

BTW, I (or the dvd) lightly touched the surface, I believe also that Harold has a lot to do with Cubia(epitaph).

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:15 pm
by AuraTwilight
Cubia was not in the Epitaph whatsoever. And the two theories (Cubia being a negative compilation and Cubia being an anti-virus) are so completely incompatible that merging them together would be like adding 9th and 10th Phases in Udeden.



GROSS.

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:47 pm
by Balmung2
AuraTwilight wrote:Cubia was not in the Epitaph whatsoever. And the two theories (Cubia being a negative compilation and Cubia being an anti-virus) are so completely incompatible that merging them together would be like adding 9th and 10th Phases in Udeden.



GROSS.
Well, I did confuse Corbenik with him (i was remembering it, so sue me) but I do beleive this does talk of him/her/it

"In the place of the calamitous, only life was known.
After the circling stars
When the eastern dark void, the air full of despair
In the depths of the divided forest, in the land of Karma,"

And also, about he 2 theories not being able to be 1, Well, as you explained it;
 Cubia is the dark side of the Bracelet. This is a tad bit more than a metaphor. When Kite Data Drains, some of the data is discarded. After awhile, this corrupted data formed together and formed Cubia. Cubia is the embodiment of corruption in the World, and his lifeforce is connected to the Bracelet. The two cannot exist without the other at this point. Being the Bracelet's opposite, Cubia has the exact opposite will as Kite. Kite wishes to save the World, so Cubia will destroy it. Kite wishes to meet Aura, so Cubia will make sure he can't. Kite will fight Morganna, so Cubia will fight WITH her.
Don't thank me for the spoilers. Anyway, Cubia could be, and probably is, a system by morgana (who created the bracelet for Aura and the Phases) and set a system in for everything that's data drained to have it's lefover data be collected for a system to attack anything that it recognizes as a threat to the system, such as Kite's bracelet when he nears Aura. As for the last part of your theory, it's not because it's the opposite of what kite does, it's just how it works. And please tell me where you get your info.

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:49 pm
by Erroneous
AuraTwilight wrote:Cubia was not in the Epitaph whatsoever.
Actually there is a small part that implies of Cubia's existance in The World as a role such as Lios, Helba, and Biff. Definitly not a phase of course. :D

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:55 pm
by Balmung2
End of a Shadow wrote:
AuraTwilight wrote:Cubia was not in the Epitaph whatsoever.
Actually there is a small part that implies of Cubia's existance in The World as a role such as Lios, Helba, and Biff. Definitly not a phase of course. :D
Bith the black to be exact ;). Oh, and by the way, I hope im not getting off topic, but I do beleive that deciding this does involve why kite is in the middle, you know, getting the correct info. ;)

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:36 am
by AuraTwilight
"In the place of the calamitous, only life was known.
After the circling stars
When the eastern dark void, the air full of despair
In the depths of the divided forest, in the land of Karma,"
Makes me think of Sign before all this crap happens.
Actually there is a small part that implies of Cubia's existance in The World as a role such as Lios, Helba, and Biff. Definitly not a phase of course.
I'd like to see it.
Don't thank me for the spoilers. Anyway, Cubia could be, and probably is, a system by morgana (who created the bracelet for Aura and the Phases) and set a system in for everything that's data drained to have it's lefover data be collected for a system to attack anything that it recognizes as a threat to the system, such as Kite's bracelet when he nears Aura. As for the last part of your theory, it's not because it's the opposite of what kite does, it's just how it works. And please tell me where you get your info.
No, Aura created the Bracelet on her own. Morganna stole the data from her and gave it to the Phases, but the Data Drain power originally comes from Aura, who gave it to Kite in the form of the Bracelet. Thusly, the collection of negative data can't be Morganna's doing. It's probably a programming error on Aura's part or something. and notice how Cubia never attacks ANYONE else, especially Helba and other hackers. As for where I get my info, it's from .hack//analysis, a book from Japan with spoiler info for .hack, like the Easter Eggs from Liminality, except these ones are much more accurate (And they go into everything. Even obscure stuff like how the Subaru AI was created and a family tree for the AI's in the World.)

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:59 am
by Tsukemaru
-Kite wrote:
Morgana wrote:I didn't notice it because I was wondering what will happen next. :mrgreen:
haha, maybe you should turn on your game and check for yaself,lol.
i beat the second dot hack like a few months ago, so im not sure, but ill be happy to test the theory, ill beat it in 1 day flat, 24 hours max. :D it will be ez

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:26 pm
by AuraTwilight
Helba's another piece of evidence. If Cubia was a program to protect the system, Helba would have been stalked by Cubia throughout the entire .hack series, since creating your own server and collecting data from the World must be a high offense. Hell, why doesn't Cubia attack Helba when she makes that virus for Morganna? Come on.

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:35 pm
by Tsugasa-kun
Cubia is in the epitaph, if im not mistaken Kites role is the Shadowed one or the one who casts a shadow, and which shadow might that be! CUBIA! so yes Cubia is kites shadow, as long as kite exists, Cubia Exists,

Also if He were the bracelets opposite then the bracelet or some item linking to the bracelet would be mentioned in the epitaph but it isn't Cubia is Kites Dark side, and once The bracelet was destoryed Cubia was no longer a threat.

Although the American DVD might be wrong and contradict theories, japanese people can be wrong too, just because it came from their country, doesn't make them correct about it.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:22 pm
by AuraTwilight
Except we already KNOW Kite is the Twilight Dragon whom opposes the Wave. Thus, how can he be the Shadowed One who will never return from her quest to find the Twilight Dragon?

And Cubia is the Bracelet's dark side. AURA SAYS THIS! Jesus >_> and the reason the Bracelet isn't mentioned in the Epitaph was because it wasn't originally part of Harold's plan to complete Aura. It was a desperate measure.
Although the American DVD might be wrong and contradict theories, japanese people can be wrong too, just because it came from their country, doesn't make them correct about it.
Yea, but when it comes from the people who actually freaking made the series, I'd think I'd go with them rather than some translators that couldn't spell "Ouka."

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:39 am
by Xu Yuan
AuraTwilight wrote:Helba's another piece of evidence. If Cubia was a program to protect the system, Helba would have been stalked by Cubia throughout the entire .hack series, since creating your own server and collecting data from the World must be a high offense. Hell, why doesn't Cubia attack Helba when she makes that virus for Morganna? Come on.
I am a staunch disbeliever in the Protection Program, but one thing did strike me as strange... Helba knows what Cubia is when she rescues Kite from him.

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:51 am
by Dengar
Because she knows more than she lets on.

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:09 pm
by Erroneous
AuraTwilight wrote:Except we already KNOW Kite is the Twilight Dragon whom opposes the Wave. Thus, how can he be the Shadowed One who will never return from her quest to find the Twilight Dragon?
I could have sworn Orca was the Twilight Dragon and Kite and the dothackers were the Shadowed One?

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:02 pm
by Xu Yuan
That does make sense! The Twilight Dragon is a being that doesn't speak yet knows all language though when it does speak, it speaks through the heart. It could be a reference to the determination of the dothackers to rescue Orca from his coma. "He is joined by two half sprites who cast no shadows..."  To me this would refer to two AI's one is obviously Mia, then who is the other? you get Sora, Subaru and Tsukasa all too late to matter about the Epitaph. The Epitaph seems to make no mention of Blackrose, though it mention's Mia? I find this quite odd and contradicting.

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:09 pm
by Dengar
Wouldn't the Shadowed One refer to Helba, Queen of Darkness?

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:22 pm
by Xu Yuan
Queen of Darkness is already mentioned, there would be no need to give her another title.