8 Phase

puppypaladin000 · Post by **puppypaladin000** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:31 am

If Like everyone says Haseo IS Skieth wouldn't he be a wavemaster, Skieth awfully seems like a mage

TheTriEdge · Post by **TheTriEdge** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:32 am

Cubia was never a program. Aura says a line in the game that proves the Liminality DVD extra section was off on that. Cubia was only created and born from Kite's Bracelet. It's the negative side. It's opposite. This is why he is defeated when BlackRose breaks the Bracelet.

The thing is Cubia is the dark side of the Bracelet, heck Shugo has one too but without a strong source of power to form him, such as Skieth being Data Drained and the other Phases' Data Draining giving him more power, without that he can't form.

So just wanted to say yes Cubia is still around to be right, it's just that it's unlikely he will reform again since Virus Bugs Kite Data Drains after wouldn't give enough power to form him.

The other thing you have to recall is during the credits we see the pieces of Kite's "destroyed" Bracelet form back into a new book which Aura later gives to Kite.

Also is the fact Tri-Edge's Bracelet is missing a similar hexagonal panel as the one BlackRose smashed off.

To wrap up my post, the proof that Cubia was born when Kite got the Bracelet was Aura saying how it's the shadow. She says it in Harold's room in Volume 4 before the final Cubia fight. As for the idea that it gained physical form from Skeith, well watch the last clip of Volume 1.

I'm not trying to have a debate but wanted to speak that fact.

To those saying the "DVD section said this" and "The Japanese information books say that" let's just say, listen to the game and ignore those sources. What does the game say? Just listen to Aura's line.

DarkBoySabata · Post by **DarkBoySabata** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:06 pm

u right again and i think ur right about cubia. hmmmmmm but i wonder what happen to the others dot hackers like blackrose
Mistral- WHO CARES we know what happen to her
Blamung-data drain
Mia- unknown
elf- unknown

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:11 pm

I say it can be that all phases got reborn into human players, but if this happens then should Cubia be reborn also?

Wrong. The Phases are a part of Aura now, and Cubia was outright destroyed.

Good point. The wolrd hase been reset and so would Morganna mode gone would be reset and the epataph of twlight wolud have to happen agean. But this time the phases are humans (with powers from morganna mabey) and The Twilight Dragon is an AI (made by someone[The world, Helba?] to defend agenst her).

No. The World and The Epitaph Program are entirely seperate. The Epitaph Program, the sequence of events leading up to Aura's birth, is only supposed to take place once. I think these Phases are in name only, symbolic enemies for this evil AI Kite. Morganna is dead anyway, so she can't be behind this. Also, Helba doesn't have anyone to defend herself against. She's one of The World's greatest allies. (The AIDA/Tri-Edge is probably created self-autonomously like the other Vagrant AI's anyway, since it's described as an Anomaly.)

the AI Dragon? i never heard of it

He's referring to the new, Evil Kite.

DarkBoySabata · Post by **DarkBoySabata** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:39 pm

oh and wow the phase of 8 belong to aura

Icemasta · Post by **Icemasta** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:33 pm

Wooo~ Long time no post here, Sooo, I haven't read what everyone posted yet but I got my own theory regarding this.

Considering that Tri-edge is at the complete opposite of kite, maybe his "data-drain" is the actual opposite of draining, maybe it IMPLANT data into the character's data. Like "Data-something that is the opposite of drain"
So all the 8 characters could have been Data-implanted by Tri-edge, or something related to that.

Edit:
Oh yeah, and Tri-edge likes cookies, and Haseo was going to eat some after playing so it pissed Tri-edge off and made him Data-implant Haseo.

Edit-Edit:
Oh yeah, what is Tri-edge... hmmm.... Maybe he is made of cookie... but he would eat himself... so I think he might be the opposite created by the new Bracelet kite received. Or something like that... I am not too sure about that

TheTriEdge · Post by **TheTriEdge** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:00 am

Icemasta:

That is a cool concept. I like it. If Tri-Edge was the oppsite, an AI from Cubia's remnants, and no... Cubia was defeated but not destroyed. We know Data is never destroyed. Maybe Tri-Edge's attack puts Data into instead of taking out. Maybe that's why Haseo turns into Skeith... if that's what happens.

In any case, theories are annoying but I like to try and make a little sense of stuff. I just wanted to clear up that Cubia was the oppsite of the Bracelet and Cubia was never destroyed, just defeated. All that we saw was Data turn into green characters and fade away.

................Edit...............

Does anyone have a screen shot of Cubia's Core by any chance? I'd like to be able to show some people the Kite inside it but the only clear shot would be from the game itself.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:41 pm

actually, data can be destroyed. "Format Drive" "Delete" "Backspace" and so forth. Either way, Cubia was destroyed. Even if data couldn't be destroyed (which messes up that whole Law of Energy Conservation) then it can still be edited and moved around and destroy Cubia anyway.

DarkBoySabata · Post by **DarkBoySabata** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:49 pm

@_@ whoa data data and more data and triedge is right

TheTriEdge · Post by **TheTriEdge** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:58 pm

I'm sorry but yes you can backspace and such and delete but even if you're writting a document and click it away without saving, somewhere in the computer is that data in some form.

How do you think no matter how well you delete tracks on your computer, somehow you can recover some form of it, hackers know this more then anyone.

Again I use Maha as an example. Maha was destroyed yet her data simply reformed into Mia.

At least the Phases shattered and broke up but as for Cubia all I saw was him turn into raw data and then it faded away. I'm confident Cubia's not destroyed, he's defeated, but not destroyed.

Especially since the Bracelet Cubia was the shadow of is still in Kite's hands. Watch the ending credits to Volume 4. The bits of the Bracelet BlackRose smashed form back into a new book. Aura may have given Kite a new Book of Twilight but the Bracelet is still the same and so if Kite ever did anything major with it, a shadow could form again.

.hack is complex, there is no easy way to explain anything and some will come to different conclusions so I'm not saying I'm right with what I think of Cubia but it is fact that Data is never truly destroyed.

Yes in nature stuff turned into something new can't be brought back to it's original form but we're talking about a computer. Data is different from physical nature.

Icemasta · Post by **Icemasta** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:11 pm

Well... of course datas are never completely removed. But in that case it could be hard to tell... You know what server maintenance are for, right? Then again, it is clearly said that the System admins lost the control, so it would make sense that some data could have taken over. And what TheTriedge says is a bit too extreme. Of course SAVED files then deleting them will have some rest of data stored in the computer, but if as he/she said, you backspace then don't save, it's just empty. Considering the ram flush all the saved data to the HDD when you reboot, shut down or whatever, unsaved material would simply dissapear. And then again, unsaved material is usualy wiped out the after a few seconds (Hell, if the computer kept every single letter you typed, you would need like 3gb of ram to run your system

)

Anyway, my point is that "The world" is not even 100% understood by the game creator (Talking about CCCorp here) . I take netslum as an exemple, if all the remains of the failed data/corrupted data/corrupted AIs/etc etc... You could get where Tri-edge is from. Now, if cubia's remain fell into Netslum.... and Kite was delete/banned/exiled in LOTB.... You get... Kite's remaining data + Cubia's remaining data + cookies = New AI fusion!!! And you got Tri-edge with a Data-implant skill.

Also, he could have absorbed the ramaining datas from the 8 phases that were sent to Aura but some must have been left over (just like when you Cut > Paste.) When you see Haseo "becoming" skeith, you clearly see it doesn't look like good ol' skeith, but more like a cross between a mantis, skeith and haseo.

And anyway, you can always wipe out any data using a super weapon... it's called a.... MAGNET!!!! (Aka. Floppy disk format tool)

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:42 pm

TheTriEdge:

Deletion by overwrite. Once the data has been overwritten, it cannot be accessed from within the system. And once it's been overwritten many times in succession, even the most sophisticated tools cannot recover it.

Deletion by magnetism. This is less effective now than it was with older, less sophisticated storage media, but it has much the same effect as deletion by overwrite.

Deletion by fire. If the storage device is melted down sufficiently, data is unrecoverable. If the fire is hot enough, the media may have its magnetic properties altered.

Deletion by chemical action. Try recovering data from a disk that's been half-dissolved in industrial solvents.

And so on. There are a great many ways to truly delete data.

DarkBoySabata · Post by **DarkBoySabata** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:29 pm

hmmmmmmm so that means kite data + cubia and cookie(who the heck named it that) = triedge that means Cubia is still.....no impossible

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:15 pm

I'm sorry but yes you can backspace and such and delete but even if you're writting a document and click it away without saving, somewhere in the computer is that data in some form.

This is true, but if you know how, that data can be permanently destroyed.

Again I use Maha as an example. Maha was destroyed yet her data simply reformed into Mia.

Maha was never destroyed. She was Data Drained. Morganna needed to keep her data intact for the Epitaph Program, but she needed to keep her in line. Then after Morganna's defeat, Maha's data kinda rewound.

At least the Phases shattered and broke up but as for Cubia all I saw was him turn into raw data and then it faded away. I'm confident Cubia's not destroyed, he's defeated, but not destroyed.

I'm sure he was. Even if he did get away, I bet Aura would take care of him.

Especially since the Bracelet Cubia was the shadow of is still in Kite's hands. Watch the ending credits to Volume 4. The bits of the Bracelet BlackRose smashed form back into a new book. Aura may have given Kite a new Book of Twilight but the Bracelet is still the same and so if Kite ever did anything major with it, a shadow could form again.

This could be mere symbolism. We don't know. And even still, Aura could have reprogrammed it to keep Cubia from rising again.

Kite was delete/banned/exiled in LOTB....

Just a nitpick. Kite wasn't banned/deleted in UdeDen. In the manga you can see him walking with Blackrose and Orca, since Balmung inviting them to see their chibi counterparts.

TheTriEdge · Post by **TheTriEdge** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:43 am

Ya that whole banned thing is a dispelled rumor. We all have proof he's still playing. In fact the reason Aura made Shugo and Rena's avatar's Chibi was in case you needed to tell them apart.

Anyway, ya I know Data can be deleted for good in many ways, I guess I was getting too over dramatic with that it could always be brought back. Most Data can be restored in some way.

All I'm saying is with .hack you never know.

What I find weird is this:

The Manga clearly is connected to G.U., even if it was merely concept back then perhaps.

In one page Balmung saying "Kite's power is maxing out" or something so we can say that person is Kite even if Balmung uses the dramatic "This Kite" ... but again who knows.

I've studied those pages and it seems something's going on with that "Kite" and he uses Data Drain to a maximum level that it seems to rip his body. In fact in the last page you see he's changed after that. His eyes are colder and somehow a belt is now around his neck area. First concept art for Tri-Edge maybe?

Anyway I'm getting too into all these topics, I shouldn't talk so much about all this. I get too caught up by the debates and I could go on and on and I need to stop staying up so late lol.

DarkBoySabata · Post by **DarkBoySabata** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:40 pm

hmmmmmmmmm so that means tri edge is really Kite o.O (and kite meet shugo counterpart also blackrose and rena...wow .hack is really full of secrets)

Icemasta · Post by **Icemasta** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:42 pm

Oh oh oh oh oh ~~ I know!!
He had warning 99% and he data drained a monster and VLAM!!!!
Since it's not the game, but the actual manga, that means that if kite overuse the data drain skill he could be become Tri-edge!!!!!!!!!
Lalala

DarkBoySabata · Post by **DarkBoySabata** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:58 pm

good point Icemasta
-give her 1 million dollars-

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:48 pm

I always felt that Data Draining too much corrupted Kite's data like that. What if going overboard on Data Drain created the AIDA (just like it created Cubia) and it takes over Kite's corrupted character and goes on a rampage? Meanwhile in the real world, Kite is comatose.

Snake · Post by **Snake** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:05 pm

Deathcat wrote:
Cubia can't be reborn becoues it never died. When the bracelet was destroyed the cubia programe found Kite no longer a problem and turned off.

Yeah I think you're right, but I think Cubia might still come back because Tri-edge (if that is his name) now has the bracelet like Kite and if the bracelet is back then Cubia should come back.
(it would make it better if Cubia come back stronger and better looking
than before)