W.B. Yeats Poem, The Second Coming

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I would pass this off as a coincidense.

You know taking whatever you want from poems, it could mean something about microwave ovens if you wanted it too!!

But... The name similarities in AI Buster, is VERY very coincidental.

I think it does discribe howt "The World" is out of control (the first stanza even MENTIONS the words, the world, although I'm sure he didn't mean a videogame., and either a hero/Aura is going to have to save it. The Second coming. Well maybe it means the phases too. This is a VERY nice find.

I think the last part refers to where Haseo was fighting, in a desert level,that you can see in the trailer. Pretty interesting! :D


It's nice to know this isn't just some random kid's poetry, he actually is a famous author! And the .hack// creators love to take random things that don't see very common and put it into the story. I'm pretty sure it's not ALL of the story though, like in GU, but... that's interesting!

Notice that Haseo fights in the desert, and they mention the desert in the poem too!

I LOVE THIS FORUM! *hugs*
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Here is a good link for all of yeats poems.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~mart ... yeats.html

It seems like the Epitaph is based on that persons poems. I'll put them together.

(Epitaph)

Unknown where the Cursed Wave was born...
After the stars doth cross the heavens...
The sky in the East doth darken.
And air doth fills with mourning.
From the chosen land beyond the forest,
A sign of the Wave comes.
Riding the Wave is: Skeith, the Shadow of Death,
to drown all that stands.
Mirage of Deceit, Innis,
Betray all with the flawed image,
and did aid the Wave.
And by the Power of Magus,
a drop from the Wave doth reach the heavens,
and creates a new Wave.


With the Wave, Fidchell,
the power to tell the dark future,
hope darkens, sadness and despair rule.
Gorre schemes when swallowed by the Cursed Wave.
Macha seduces with the sweet trap.
Wave reaches the Pinnacle, and escape none can.
Tarvos still remains with more cruelty to punish and destroy.
And with the turbulent destruction after the Wave.
Only a void remains.
From deep within the void arrives Corbenik.


Yet to return, the shadowed one.
Who quests for the Twilight Dragon
Rumbles the Dark Hearth,
And Helba, Queen of the Dark, has raised finally her army.
Apeiron, King of Light, beckons... At the base of the rainbow they meet.
Against the abominable "Wave," together they fight.
Alba's lake boils.
Light's great tree doth fall.
Power - all now to droplets turned in the temple of Arche Koeln.
Returns to nothing, this world of shadowless ones.
Never to return, the shadowless one.
Who quests for the Twilight Dragon.


The wife buffeted by "waves" turns her back on the field.
The daughter that waited for the shadows repeated,
"For sure... For sure I can go home."
But the girl did not know...
The truth that waited at the end of the journey
The eternal mourning of her land.


In the place of the calamitous, only life was known.
After the circling stars
When the eastern dark void, the air full of despair
In the depths of the divided forest, in the land of Karma,


Riding fast on the path is Skeith
Bearing death's shadow, it eliminates all that seek to thwart it.
The Confusing Mirage, Innis
Decieves those that see it with illusions, rescues the waves


The wave soaring high, when its head is smashed,
A new wave will emerge
To become Magus's power.
When questioning the wave,
Hope's light will be lost when he speaks of the dark future of where sorrow and resignation reign.
Using Fiddlehiem's Technique

When englufed by the Waves of Calamity, Gole will plan
The sweet snare of conciliation is Maha
The Waves, an exceeding maelstrom
Nothing can escape


When you think you have escaped, Talvos exists
To destroy those with his exceeding cruelty
Upon violent requital, only to remain is the void, the vacant darkness
is the harbringer that Copernic is to appear.

(Yeats)

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Sumomo wrote:Or is it the second coming of the wave or the second coming of a hero? Well, there needs to be an enemy for there to be a hero so it's probably the second coming of the wave.... :? I don't know. I'm only confusing myself.
it should probably be both. or at least i think so. it seems pretty obvious that the wave is coming or something similar to it. and in that case there has to be a hero, right?
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The series is about Human thought and destorying the old world to create a new one.

A lot of poets have wrote about these subjects. I can think of quite a few poets that have poems that remind me of .hack, but I'm sure the creator of the .hack has already explain where he got the idea from.
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Post by BladesandCasters »

Just a thought but when the Bible refers to the second coming of Christ it comes accompanied by armaggedon. What if the second coming of savior or hero (The dark Kite per say) is signifing the end of something within the world or with any hope cc corp itself.
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maybe its just like in revelations. the act of armageddon is there to create a new world, a "better" world. maybe thats what this is about. in the darkness of the world a hero comes and saves and relinquishes those who wish to be saved.
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exactly but remembeg "God" is to take up his children before judgement so how could it be related
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good point. hmm, i wonder. i cant think of anything right off the top of my head. maybe its one of those things that lies deep beneath the surface.
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or even the fact that if we look into some of his other work we could see what more dot hack has to offer we know this for shure that kite is this demon that has the body of a lion and what its intensions are is unknown
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you think so. i dont know about this. if that poem is based on revelations than what would the lion be. surely not the antichrist.
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Well, WB Yeats wrote humungous poetry volumes on mythology and stuff like that. The things he wrote had a few meanings. As you can tell from the writing style, he is from a time ages before vidio games, and most likely TV. ^_^
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Dragoon2044 wrote:It is very suspicious for them to choose the name wb yates don't you think? Very close to the real wb yeates? Using sources like this poem is nothing new in story development. Take Final Fantasy for instance. Summons like Shiva, Odin, Alexander, Bahamut are not new to Final Fantasy. In essense these reference are brought to life in these new worlds.

As for playing around with religion, I believe the .hack formula as it stands now is just fine. The idea is that its better not to fix something that isn't broken. I personally hope that they will keep the myths and legends as they are now; myths and legends. These are only used in reference to the online game, 'the world'. So much that "The Epitaph of Twilight' was referenced in Herold's game in the same way. I am open to the possibility of new myths and legends though...

Here is a question. As of now we know the Epitaph of Twilight was never finished. It is not clear wether gu is referenced in the Epitaph as it exists now. Could something deep inside 'the world' long to complete it? Or would Epitaph itself be played out? I don't think that would be the case because 'the world' itself is based off of the Epitaph.
I kinda agree with dragoon2044. it's possible be a reference to the christ. I hope it may be true. we'll never know until we see it.
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Post by Longarm_Suoh »

References to anything are abundant in .hack. That is the main goal, to show how the two worlds tie together.
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BithTheBlack wrote:exactly but remembeg "God" is to take up his children before judgement so how could it be related
Hey... in AI buster, Albireo and Lycoris refer to Morgana as "god". the Phases could be called her children. you think that might be relevant?
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God's Children refers to humanity. The Phases are more like the Horsemen of the Apocalypse. The only, ONLY characters that can be called Children of God are Aura and Zefie.
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Why not the antichrist. Sorta like Kite was jesus the savior, his lookalike in //g.u. would be sorta the antichrist(a distorted version of him) right. I've played a few JP RPGs and they have no quams about incorperating religion into their games, like the americans do. Also supposedly when the antichrist shows up he'll have most of the world convinced he is infact the second coming of christ himself. I might be wrong, I prolly am. I'm no expert on the subject(but I've seen alot of movies).
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in the .hack//The Legend of The Twilight Bracelet manga, there's a "BBS Post" by a "W.B- YET" at the end...

Reki is at a terminal and goes:
Uh? A new message in the BBS...
...
This message...
Subject: Legend of the Twilight Bracelet
Sender: W.B- YET

The hero of the bracelet
has succeeded in his quest.

Blessed by the goddess of dusk...
And her daughter, who bears the name
of the western winds...

Like the legendary hero who once sparkled like the twilight...

Countless stories will be told in "The World" today...
Countless words that will in turn, shape "The World" of tomorrow...

They will be turning the world...
The world will keep on turning...
THAT IS THE WORLD
.hack//AI Buster is written and done by the same two people
Hamazaki Tatsuya and Izumi Rei...

either its just their personal interests in W.B Yeats or its a secret agenda, who knows ;)

oh and for those who are wondering "what the hell is with that 'bbs post'" well, you should read the manga to find out... (its way better than the anime :P)
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It's pretty obvious there's a Second Coming thing with Kite and the Phases. Dur.

Also, another religious tidbit. Aura was programmed into the game on Christmas :D exactly at midnight, to the minute.
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hmmm how puzzling!
this poem could be part of the hack sereise... coming of a new adventure..
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Hey...if the programmer of a game is the god of the world they create, then wouldn't Herald Hoerwick be God in The World and Aura be the Jesus of The World as well? But...what would that make Lycoris? Zefie? Rin? Any Number of the countless NPCs that developed concioussness...?


My head hurts now....thought to much...
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