Skieth Theory

KaGuTSuChI · Post by **KaGuTSuChI** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:23 pm

Again kulaguy, that has not been proven.

Anyway, I believe that Morganna and Aura honestly don't have control over Cubia in any way... it acts on its own... and Shugo's bracelet didn't awaken Cubia because, yet again, it caused no threat to the system. (Cubia doesn't care about anything but the system, including players.) Think about it, if Morganna had control of Cubia from the beginning, then why wouldn't she have used it against Kite to start out with?

And yes, the Phases are a part of the system as well, their original intention was to collect data from humans (via Data Drain), then Aura would reassemble that data to herself to create the Ultimate AI, thus becoming human and splitting off into the Real World, as was Harold's intention.

Amaruk · Post by **Amaruk** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:26 pm

kulaguy wrote:I'm not gonna read the topic but I'll just explain why Cubia didn't come back when Shugo got the Bracelet.

Cubia is a compilation of the negatives and junk data from Data Draining. He is somewhat alive but when Kite data drained Skeith, Cubia finally gained a physical form. Shugo's Bracelet may or may not have the power to spawn another Cubia. I think that Shugo's does but he hasn't data drained anything powerful canon-wise. He data drained Morti but since the anime is non-canon, it doesn't matter.

A-hem, Yes, Kula, that was the theory I was about to post. Mind-reader...

KaGuTSuChI · Post by **KaGuTSuChI** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:32 pm

I believe that what Aura meant by that is that by the existence of such a bracelet being withheld by someone or something outside of the system itself comes the potential of Cubia's awakening. Who knows, perhaps the other side of the coin exists out there still in The World...

And I know, I just posted that tidbit about Cubia not being under Morganna's control because I thought it needed to be said...

KaGuTSuChI · Post by **KaGuTSuChI** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:56 pm

kulaguy wrote: Tthen how come when BlackRose destroyed the Bracelet, Cubia was destroyed?

That's just it: Cubia wasn't destroyed at all, just regressed back into slumber.

KaGuTSuChI · Post by **KaGuTSuChI** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:04 pm

I won't understand it because I can't understand it. The entire thing doesn't make sense... Anyway, we can settle this some other way, some other time, seeing as how we're cluttering up such an interesting topic... you should come into IRC sometime to talk with the people in there, including me.

PJIRC Applet here.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:42 pm

From what I understand, the bracelet Aura gave to Shuugo WAS NOT Kite's bracelet. And either way, Shuugo never data-drained anything even close to a phase; just a few bugged monsters and... Komiyama. ^.^ So, Cubia wasn't attracted. Also, back on the original subject (Or... kind of original...) the information on Cubia on the 4th Liminality DVD was false.

In the anime, the monsters weren't bugged. Just hacked to have infinite HP. No negative data. The only monster Shugo data-drained in the manga wasd a perfectly normal, but out of place Golem.

Anyway, I believe that Morganna and Aura honestly don't have control over Cubia in any way... it acts on its own... and Shugo's bracelet didn't awaken Cubia because, yet again, it caused no threat to the system. (Cubia doesn't care about anything but the system, including players.) Think about it, if Morganna had control of Cubia from the beginning, then why wouldn't she have used it against Kite to start out with?

If Cubia can't be controlled by Morganna, how could Morganna create it and thusly it be part of the system? If you accept that Cubia was made as a security program, you also have to accept that Cubia is created and controlled by Morganna.

DärkwºLf² · Post by **DärkwºLf²** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:47 pm

It's possible Aura gave Shugo a different barcelet with the same powers.. Since Kite couldn't see his, but Shugo can. ^^ Maybe it was an upgraded version because Shugo didn't have to Protect Break them?

KaGuTSuChI · Post by **KaGuTSuChI** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:50 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:If Cubia can't be controlled by Morganna, how could Morganna create it and thusly it be part of the system? If you accept that Cubia was made as a security program, you also have to accept that Cubia is created and controlled by Morganna.

Morganna didn't create Cubia at all, it was created by Harold to be the protection system for Aura... He created it as part of the system.

DärkwºLf² · Post by **DärkwºLf²** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:56 pm

omg you guys stop arguing and such.. lets just say kulaguy is right because someone said something and he quoted it, therefore he is correct

everything i say is right and if you believe otherwise then you are not a real person..

KaGuTSuChI · Post by **KaGuTSuChI** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:35 pm

Yeah, that didn't make much sense to me. Either way, let's not argue about this anymore... I don't wanna keep going through this back and forth. For now, let's just leave it at that and stop cluttering up all these posts >.<

Anyway, an interesting thought for you all to dwell on. If "Tri-Edge's" bracelet is incomplete, then according to kulaguy's theory, the Junk Data would create Cubia again, is it not? If Shugo's bracelet was the "completed" version and didn't spawn Cubia, then it would make sense. Or since Cubia "died", would it not come back?

Talk.

KaGuTSuChI · Post by **KaGuTSuChI** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:15 pm

That's what I was getting at; you'd already stated all of that information before.

What I was stating is that since Shugo's bracelet was supposedly complete, Cubia didn't spawn. Kite's was "incomplete", so in theory it spawned Cubia from the Junk Data. Then, if "Tri-Edge's" bracelet is incomplete as well, or perhaps some form of Kite's bracelet, it would also (in theory) spawn Cubia yet again... is it not? And if "Tri-Edge" Data Drains Haseo, would that prove enough to spawn Cubia just by that?

And yeah, I know there isn't much information, this is only speculation of course. I just would like to hear some feedback from people.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:20 pm

Anyway, an interesting thought for you all to dwell on. If "Tri-Edge's" bracelet is incomplete, then according to kulaguy's theory, the Junk Data would create Cubia again, is it not? If Shugo's bracelet was the "completed" version and didn't spawn Cubia, then it would make sense. Or since Cubia "died", would it not come back?

It's not the Kite's Bracelet is incomplete, it's that Shugo's Bracelet is better. If Kite's/Tri-Edge's Bracelet is incomplete, perhaps it lacks the algorithms to create Cubia.

Morganna didn't create Cubia at all, it was created by Harold to be the protection system for Aura... He created it as part of the system.

Morganna could anticipate human behavior and plan ahead. One example of this was Cubia, a monster designed to balance the game against hackers and edited character data.

PWNED!

Anyway, if No one, not even a System Admin, can access Aura's data, who is Cubia supposed to protect her from? Not like Cubia protects her anyway.

Cless · Post by **Cless** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:54 pm

What about the matillic puddle that appears after defeating Skeith. That's also a possibility of how Cubia was born but I'm might be making a mistake. Because that's either the theory of how Cubia was born or how evil Kite was born.

Sephiroth0812 · Post by **Sephiroth0812** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:51 pm

folks, I think you missed something there:

There exist three bracelets:

1. the first (dark) bracelet used by Kite from which was Cubia the other side => destroyed or (more likely) damaged by BlackRose, now probably under control of Tri-Edge (cuz that one of Tri also misses a facet like this one).

2. the second (daybreak) which Aura gave to Kite in the Epilogue of Quarantine to rescue Mia. This one has no "dark side" aka Cubia because Aura altered the code of it to ensure Cubia wouldn´t rise again. Kite should still be the owner of this one.

3. the third which is Shugo´s bracelet. This is another "other" version of the bracelet made by Aura. The main differences are: It is visible unlike the former two and you can´t do gate hacking with it.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:42 pm

What about the matillic puddle that appears after defeating Skeith. That's also a possibility of how Cubia was born but I'm might be making a mistake. Because that's either the theory of how Cubia was born or how evil Kite was born.

That scene was entirely symbolic. It's supposed to mean that Skeith's Data Drain was the final breaking point for Kite's Bracelet, allowing Cubia to be born. Evil Kite would come seven years later.

1. the first (dark) bracelet used by Kite from which was Cubia the other side => destroyed or (more likely) damaged by BlackRose, now probably under control of Tri-Edge (cuz that one of Tri also misses a facet like this one).

My thoughts exactly.

2. the second (daybreak) which Aura gave to Kite in the Epilogue of Quarantine to rescue Mia. This one has no "dark side" aka Cubia because Aura altered the code of it to ensure Cubia wouldn´t rise again. Kite should still be the owner of this one.

Agreed

3. the third which is Shugo´s bracelet. This is another "other" version of the bracelet made by Aura. The main differences are: It is visible unlike the former two and you can´t do gate hacking with it.

The last statement is incorrect. Shugo performs Gate Hacking in both version of his chronicles. In the anime, he Gate Hacks to access the corrupted server to save his sister, and is perfectly capable of going back and forth without using a gate or virus cores. (Then again, the anime isn't canon, so who cares?)

However, the manga, the canon version, still uses Gate Hacking. This version uses virus cores and can be performed without a gate. Shugo performs Gate Hacking in order to access Aura's domain and return Zefie home safely.

Sephiroth0812 · Post by **Sephiroth0812** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:51 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
What about the matillic puddle that appears after defeating Skeith. That's also a possibility of how Cubia was born but I'm might be making a mistake. Because that's either the theory of how Cubia was born or how evil Kite was born.
That scene was entirely symbolic. It's supposed to mean that Skeith's Data Drain was the final breaking point for Kite's Bracelet, allowing Cubia to be born. Evil Kite would come seven years later.

1. the first (dark) bracelet used by Kite from which was Cubia the other side => destroyed or (more likely) damaged by BlackRose, now probably under control of Tri-Edge (cuz that one of Tri also misses a facet like this one).
My thoughts exactly.

2. the second (daybreak) which Aura gave to Kite in the Epilogue of Quarantine to rescue Mia. This one has no "dark side" aka Cubia because Aura altered the code of it to ensure Cubia wouldn´t rise again. Kite should still be the owner of this one.
Agreed

3. the third which is Shugo´s bracelet. This is another "other" version of the bracelet made by Aura. The main differences are: It is visible unlike the former two and you can´t do gate hacking with it.
The last statement is incorrect. Shugo performs Gate Hacking in both version of his chronicles. In the anime, he Gate Hacks to access the corrupted server to save his sister, and is perfectly capable of going back and forth without using a gate or virus cores. (Then again, the anime isn't canon, so who cares?)

However, the manga, the canon version, still uses Gate Hacking. This version uses virus cores and can be performed without a gate. Shugo performs Gate Hacking in order to access Aura's domain and return Zefie home safely.

Oops, gomen...I´ve overread that part in the manga...I´ve seen it in the anime though, but the anime isn´t part of the .hack-storyline so I missed it out.
But yeah, you´re right. Shugo doesn´t use Gate hacking to get into net slum, but to get in Aura's lair, my mistake.

So the complete chronological story would be like this me think:

A.I. Buster
SIGN
ZERO
First four games / Liminality
Unison
Legend of the Twilight (Manga)
and probably G.U. if it´s really a continuation which I doubt a little cuz except of the church, Tri-Edges avatar and the phase titles there´s nothing ".hack"-identification as I´ve see...and that´s thin...

kite27 · Post by **kite27** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:30 am

Kyle1818 wrote:What Id like to know is why didin't Cubia come back when Shugo got the braclet.

well i have heard ppl say that cubia didnt reappear when shugo got his braclet was because he never did anything to harm the system(intentionally). kite didnt either but he did dd a phase or 2 or 7 and destroyed data for aura and data of morgana. and when shugo got the braclet morgana was no more. so since cubia was supposed to protect aura, that is why cubia appeared origanally but aura was allready created or somthing like that and so cubia didnt need to protect her

did that make any sense at all??

Sephiroth0812 · Post by **Sephiroth0812** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:20 am

@Kite27: Have you even read AuraTwilight's and my previous statements??
Cubia didn´t appeared again because except of the first bracelet Kite uses the other bracelets have a different code created by Aura.
Kite´s second bracelet "daybreak" and Shugo´s bracelet are completely separated from Cubia and they will not create a Cubia (other side of the coin) cuz Aura has prevented it.

The only possibility that we´ll get a new Cubia would be because of Tri-Edges wrecked bracelet (a facet is missing) IF it is really Kite´s old bracelet which was damaged by BlackRose in Quarantine.
But this isn´t proved yet...

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:17 pm

It's not that Cubia was created to protect the system, which is totally false since Cubia infects every area it goes to (-.-) but because Kite's Bracelet was cluttered with infected and corrupted data that it dumped it in order to clean itself. Cubia is the Bracelet's opposite, so it does the exact opposite of whatever the keeper of the Bracelet wants to do. Kite wants to meet Aura, so Cubia prevents him from doing so, for example. Kite wants to save the World, so Cubia helps it's infection. and so on and so forth.

Skeith_209 · Post by **Skeith_209** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:23 pm

i think that cubia is skeith, cept he is the data drained true form, because skeith looked only like a shell to me, and isnt there a wavemasters wand that you can get, its skeith's wand and its a item that u can equip a wavemaster with?