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Akasu wrote:Umm, why would their be voice acting for a "live action" movie?

LOL I mean the voices of the actors. Some have been know to sound horrid. I got to stop posting so early in the morning when I'm tired.

Kuukai wrote:Stfu about M Night Shamwow. Unbreakable was an amazing movie. He's been seriously losing his touch, though. The more movies he makes without Bruce Willis, the worse he gets...

That said, even though M Night Shyamalan + adaptation wasn't a flawed premise, once they started white-ifying it I was probably out. That's why I was glad live action Eva died. It's not a weeaboo thing, it just doesn't make sense. It's just as dumb when they made the Nodame in Paris movie and all the actors were Japanese...

Damnit we agree on too much. Out of all the MNS movies I've seen, the only ones I liked were Unbreakable, 6th Sense, Lady in the Water, and Signs. And yes, I know Lady in the Water is a bit of a stretch to call a good movie, but I enjoyed it (the one time I watched it).

MizuTakishima wrote:[But anyway, I dunno; I kinda want them to leave anime/cartoons/video games alone, but the optimist within hopes that when my generation of anime/cartoon/game lovers starts directin' movies, it'll hopefully actually be decent because they were already fans of the original source material. (Then again, M. Night Shamallamadingdong was said to be a fan of the show 'cause his kids got him into it, so...)

I have no problem with them adapting video games into movies, a lot of them have turned out good IMO!
Resident Evil (only the 1st movie), Tomb Raider (1st again), Silent Hill, and Double Dragon (don't hate).

Akasu wrote:Umm, why would their be voice acting for a "live action" movie?

Some times they Dub over the original voices. They even re-recorded the voices separately ON PURPOSE in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, which IMO was a very underrated movie.

MizuTakishima wrote:

S1lentOp wrote:

Red Frost wrote:A: It's anime influenced enough to the point where it could get thrown into the Anime subforum (and actually HAS been) and not be moved to "Off-Topic Chat". (oh, and I don't care what it's classified as, I just enjoy it)

Being influenced by something doesn't make it whatever it was that influenced it, no matter how similar it may be. Avatar is no more an anime than Totally Spies or Teen Titans were.

This. SO MUCH THIS. Not to mention The Boondocks was created the same way Avatar was; (westerners gettin' Koreans to animate it for them) and you almost never see The Boondocks get called anime just 'cause it's not "asiany enough" :B

*sighs*

I think I see the problem with what I posted... I should've added the little "-" between "anime" and "influenced". I meant to say it was a cartoon that was so influenced by anime that it looks like an anime. I know Airbender isn't an anime, and that Boondocks isn't anime, but again, Boondocks was brought up because it was obviously meant to look like an anime. If it didn't look like one, it wouldn't have been brought up as an example, like Teen Titans and Totally Spies were.

I guess now that I think about it, I do see another problem with movie adaptations. A while back I thought "Huh, it'd be kinda neat to see a live-action Bleach movie" (if it could be... y'know... done well), but like Kuukai said, not very many movies are executed well enough. If one person tries to tackle the project and does a crappy job, the small chance that someone could've made a good adaptation goes out the window as well. I don't think so much that those previous people have the movie rights, but maybe because of something like "The original sucked, this probably will too." Like how someone mentioned the Golden Compass was supposed to be a trilogy, but the movie did so poor, their chances to make a good sequel were pretty low and they didn't.

Karate Kid was a popular movie when it was released (hence the sequels from back then too). It made more sense to do a remake of that movie instead of a movie that originally did really bad, right? Or is that just how I see it? (Note: I know nothing of the movie business and that MAY have been a bad example... moreso since I haven't seen the remake or remember the original)

Critics hated the original Street Fighter, but I guess that case is different because it made a lot of money. Hulk actually also made money... Ok, I can't think of an example where they lost money and tried it again later, but I'm sure one's out there. I could easily imagine another horrible Mario movie...

Kuukai wrote:

MizuTakishima wrote:But anyway, I dunno; I kinda want them to leave anime/cartoons/video games alone, but the optimist within hopes that when my generation of anime/cartoon/game lovers starts directin' movies, it'll hopefully actually be decent because they were already fans of the original source material.

I think that would actually be the opposite. Have you met fans? Great people, don't want them writing for their favorite show. That was part of the problem with Eva, Tiffany Grant was spewing out bad idea after bad idea...

Well, I'm a fan, and I'm full of awesome ideas 8D So are some of the fans/friends I know. (Okay, I realize it's stupid to call my friends and my own ideas "awesome" XD;;; But if you could just reeeeead my miiiiind you'd see some cool shizz ;~; )

Then again, with so much bad fanfiction out there, maybe fans writing a movie isn't such a good idea....but I like it better than some clueless person trying to adapt an anime they're not emotionally attatched to or anything, 'cause they eff it up. (Dragonball Evolution is probably a good example of this, unless the creator was a fan...then...*shivers*)

Speaking of Eva, what the heck ever happened to that? Years ago I heard there was gonna be a live-action movie for it, but....what the heck happened?

It's supposedly still alive as of February, but I suspect it will never work out as is. They've been at it for like 7 years (since before we knew there'd be way-better animated Eva reboot films) and in the process it's become apparent the ADV people don't know anything about making a movie (or running a company?), and won't relinquish meaningful control to someone who does. The new movies are amazing, yet they can't seem to even get them into theaters--why would they do better with live action? It's the same premise/plot, ideally the same production values, and the same company resources/connections. They released a BS statement that somehow a lapsing U.S. interest in anime is to blame for the delays with the movie. Somehow an anime corner in pretty much every store ever isn't enough saturation for them. Did they even have that much when they started this thing most of a decade ago? If it ever does get off the ground it'll be a total abomination based on what I've seen, though.

On the other hand, upon a little more research, it does seem like the people in charge may have shifted around a bit. So the odds of it happening and my enthusiasm are a little better. I still think if you can't release Rebuild you can't release this, but whatever...

Oh, and I thought of an interesting example of something completely different from anything else I can think of: the Metal Gear movie. The series was pretty much built to be a movie, the project had Kojima's blessing and at least some interaction, and yet he/Konami later randomly decided to pull the plug since a potentially bad movie could kill the series' image. That's something you don't hear too much...

Kuukai wrote:Oh, and I thought of an interesting example of something completely different from anything else I can think of: the Metal Gear movie. The series was pretty much built to be a movie, the project had Kojima's blessing and at least some interaction, and yet he/Konami later randomly decided to pull the plug since a potentially bad movie could kill the series' image. That's something you don't hear too much...

Because that's a "smart" move on their part.

Kuukai wrote:It's supposedly still alive as of February, but I suspect it will never work out as is. They've been at it for like 7 years (since before we knew there'd be way-better animated Eva reboot films) and in the process it's become apparent the ADV people don't know anything about making a movie (or running a company?), and won't relinquish meaningful control to someone who does. The new movies are amazing, yet they can't seem to even get them into theaters--why would they do better with live action? It's the same premise/plot, ideally the same production values, and the same company resources/connections. They released a BS statement that somehow a lapsing U.S. interest in anime is to blame for the delays with the movie. Somehow an anime corner in pretty much every store ever isn't enough saturation for them. Did they even have that much when they started this thing most of a decade ago? If it ever does get off the ground it'll be a total abomination based on what I've seen, though.

*insert keyboard smash and stammering here* But that's just...crazy!! I mean...okay okay. What with these new, animated Eva movies coming out, I guess there honestly isn't that much of a reason for them to make a live-action movie for it, (It'd be like trying to top a movie that's pretty much what your movie is about, only the first is better done and more true in ways that you can only imagine) but to stay it "wouldn't do so well because anime isn't successful here in the states" is just..

Sure, the anime industry isn't doin' so hot right now, but I honestly think that's tied to how the American economy isn't in such great shape either. (as most of us know, our economy effects their economy, so it really affects the anime industry as well) Not to mention there's the whole pirating thing, and while that isn't the soul cause of the decrease in anime sales, it certainly doesn't help any. (I think lately though, more people are realizing how buying stuff supports the industry as a whole, rather than "just the dubs")

I dunno. Maybe I'm just frustrated; every time they show an anime movie in the states (that's not Pokemon or Yugioh) it's always for like 1 day, or 2 days, maybe 3 days; and one time they were going to have a "special showing" of The Conqueror of Shambala in theaters, but by the time they even started running the trailers for it in my area, the dates have already passed! (Heck, anime commercials on TV are pretty rare already; I had friends in high school who didn't even know where to buy anime 'cause....well we're a rural small town and have to drive 15 miles to Best Buy and look for them way in the back of the store. BUT THEY'RE THERE. It's also like the only place that sells them in that area, too...)

Just. Poor Advertising + Poor Economy + Pirates = fewer sales in anime that seems like "lack of interest"

Ugh sorry about the rant- it wasn't directed towards you XD;;;; I'm just mad at ADV and some of the other companies and stuff...it's so frustrating!

Yeah, and that doesn't even matter anyway. Just look at it as a movie. The worldwide gross for Eva 1.0 is like $224 million. That's like four times what Dragonball made (and that movie actually made money). They had the rights to release the movie, the whole thing was already made, if they thought American theaters and audiences would respond to any conceivable interpretation of the story they were just burning money by not releasing it for reals.

What's more likely is a crazy reinterpretation of Revelations probably wouldn't go down too well, which leads one to believe if they did remake this movie the imagery would be lost and it would be something awful that happens to be called Eva...

Yeah, that really seems more likely ;~; So in Eva's case, I'm hoping they don't make it into a live-action movie. Ever. The new animated movies are just too awesome if 1.0 is any indication~ <3