Aura

[AuraTwilight]

Oh my god, you people are so stupid.

Not really. The backstory does. However most of the main characters are barely aware of her existance until very late in the story. Granted the fact that she isn't there allowed the story to begin, but she isn't the focus of it (the heros aren't going "We must find Aura, the World depends on it" or anything like that) She's just a plot device again basically.

Being the focus and being what the story revolves around are two entirely different things. Aura is the MacGuffin of the story. And, actually, Ovan's main goal was to find Aura, which is why he orchestrated the events of the games toward his own ends, so HA! PWNED!

Not true.
AIDA would have formed wether or not she had been awake,regardless of what people did,and the epitaphs would have found users without her.
The reason she is important,however,is that she would not interfere with anything apart from sending the Knights,so her absence allowed the problem to intensify.

AIDA only formed because Aura left. This is a fact.
The Phases were rebuilt into the Avatars for the RA Plan, and while Skeith as a Phase set a precedent, it wouldn't be a true Avatar by RA Plan definition. Fact.

They didn't do a thing to the epitaphs.
If they couldn't act as avatarts,explain the Sora-Skeith connection.
They had forms.
They simply never found anyone to attach to,mainly because they may not have felt they were needed,they may not have wanted to,or because Aura was holding them back OR because the jackass R.A. members decided to bottle them up.

Except y'know, putting them back together and forming them into PC bodies, and allowing them to evolve into individual sentient beings, and allowing them to reach their full potential.

What were you saying? Oh right. Your shitty arguement. So sorry.

The Sora/Skeith bonding was fundamentally different. There's a world of difference between "LOL Coma as my mind is stuck in a wand " to "LOL Having an intimate, telepathic connection with the Avatar, functioning as soulmates in order to allow paranormal abilities that extend beyond Za Warudo."

First,.hack//wiki is user edited,and thus not the most reliable source of information.

You're f*cking kidding me, right? Sure, it's user editted, but do you have any idea who's users are editing and maintaining it? KUUKAI, KULAGUY, CRTWENTY, SHINSOU, MYSELF, and a few other people who almost anyone can agree are basically the elite of the community. If they're not reliable, then you're all f*cking screwed as far as getting reliable information.

They never modified them,they just tried to attach them

Changing them from a Phase monster to an Epitaph PC body while reassembling them like a jigsaw puzzle is a form of modification, idiot.

In fact,an Avatar really dosn't need an epitaph,as we see in Azure Kites case,where Azure Flame God is considered and avatar.

Azure Flame God was only "similar" to an Avatar. It's not fair to call it the real deal.

I find your reliance on AT disgusting,if you don't mind me saying so.

Yes, because it's disgusting to ask for clarification from an expert to help prove a point. Not everyone can be as awesome as me, y'know.

[The Anaconda]

AuraTwilight, fighting injustice and wrong information since *checks profile* 2005

[Kyero Fox]

and no one can make Fan Avatar's because it totaly screws up the whole meaning of .hack

you can how ever create AIDA avatars like mine... ADIA<Aldous>

[Jimbob]

Being the focus and being what the story revolves around are two entirely different things. Aura is the MacGuffin of the story. And, actually, Ovan's main goal was to find Aura, which is why he orchestrated the events of the games toward his own ends, so HA! PWNED!

I thought that was his goal in Roots his plan A. The games was to have Haseo trigger his Rebirth ability his plan B so to speak. Aura didn't really do anything other than show up an basically say "Humans need to learn to control the powerful internet they created on their own. Good luck!" and show up at the end to cheer Haseo up. The games were about Haseo's quest to revive Shino and rid the net of AIDA/Cubia. Aura played no part in this other than advice and she did not return in the end. Aura might have been important in Roots where the goal was actually to find her. However in G.U. she barely appears or is mentioned except in Vol.3.
So compared to the first series where she appears several times in each game and basically solves everything at the end, she is much less important in G.U.

[Kuukai]

Being the focus and being what the story revolves around are two entirely different things. Aura is the MacGuffin of the story. And, actually, Ovan's main goal was to find Aura, which is why he orchestrated the events of the games toward his own ends, so HA! PWNED!

You're technically correct. Ovan's goal was to find Aura. After Roots he completely switched over to Plan B though.

AIDA only formed because Aura left.

That's not necessarily true. The glitches may have accelerated the process, that's true, but if Aura didn't exist in the first place they would still have probably shown up eventually, so there's no real dependence.

Except y'know, putting them back together and forming them into PC bodies, and allowing them to evolve into individual sentient beings, and allowing them to reach their full potential.

They did put them back together and connect them to PCs, which does count as modification (they also inadvertantly chipped off fragments of the recovered data when the R.A. Plan failed), but they didn't "allow them to evolve". Whatever went on in the phases' heads before is probably the same, and they were certainly able to physically transform before. "But that was only one of them" is a pretty bad argument since it's still only two of them...

I thought that was his goal in Roots his plan A. The games was to have Haseo trigger his Rebirth ability his plan B so to speak. Aura didn't really do anything other than show up an basically say "Humans need to learn to control the powerful internet they created on their own. Good luck!" and show up at the end to cheer Haseo up. The games were about Haseo's quest to revive Shino and rid the net of AIDA/Cubia. Aura played no part in this other than advice and she did not return in the end. Aura might have been important in Roots where the goal was actually to find her. However in G.U. she barely appears or is mentioned except in Vol.3.
So compared to the first series where she appears several times in each game and basically solves everything at the end, she is much less important in G.U.

You'll never believe me, but I typed the thing above calling it "Plan B" before I even read this... Anyway, excellent post, that's totally the difference here. G.U. is about the players...

[Skeith805]

*Sniff* It's nice to know the there are people who know more about .hack than me... *Sniff*

And it may not mean much to you, but to a lot of people who do know me IRL, if they read this, they'd faint.

Thanks everyone. I learned quite a bit from this.

[Kyero Fox]

I'm learning =\ Aura is helping with that

[Azure crow]

First,.hack//wiki is user edited,and thus not the most reliable source of information.

You're f*cking kidding me, right? Sure, it's user editted, but do you have any idea who's users are editing and maintaining it? KUUKAI, KULAGUY, CRTWENTY, SHINSOU, MYSELF, and a few other people who almost anyone can agree are basically the elite of the community. If they're not reliable, then you're all f*cking screwed as far as getting reliable information.

My point is that although you are editing it,as well as me occasionally,there are others out there who feed wrong information into the system.

[Ravaan]

and no one can make Fan Avatar's because it totaly screws up the whole meaning of .hack

Ohnoes, I've screwed up the whole meaning of .hack then? <_<
That's a silly thing to say. As long as people don't run around screaming "OMG! RANDOM UNEXPLAINED AVATAR OF DOOMZ GOOOOO!" it's alright.

And Azure Crow, to be fair .hack//wiki is a reliable source for info, It's just a good idea to get stuff verified by people like Kuukai and AT too. False info gets weeded out eventually anyway.

[Dragoon2044]

Heres a question. What circumstances forced Aura to release the Azure Knights without completing thier pc's? perhaps thier not being complete serves more as a symbol of who they used to be than anything else.

[newtti]

Heres a question. What circumstances forced Aura to release the Azure Knights without completing thier pc's?

Not enough time...AIDA and Ovan are a big problem,no time to waste

[Azure crow]

That,and the story would have been so much worse if Azure Kite coulds have explained himself.

[Kyero Fox]

and no one can make Fan Avatar's because it totaly screws up the whole meaning of .hack

Ohnoes, I've screwed up the whole meaning of .hack then? <_<
That's a silly thing to say. As long as people don't run around screaming "OMG! RANDOM UNEXPLAINED AVATAR OF DOOMZ GOOOOO!" it's alright.

And Azure Crow, to be fair .hack//wiki is a reliable source for info, It's just a good idea to get stuff verified by people like Kuukai and AT too. False info gets weeded out eventually anyway.

yes lol thats pretty much what I ment to say

[AuraTwilight]

I thought that was his goal in Roots his plan A. The games was to have Haseo trigger his Rebirth ability his plan B so to speak. Aura didn't really do anything other than show up an basically say "Humans need to learn to control the powerful internet they created on their own. Good luck!" and show up at the end to cheer Haseo up. The games were about Haseo's quest to revive Shino and rid the net of AIDA/Cubia. Aura played no part in this other than advice and she did not return in the end. Aura might have been important in Roots where the goal was actually to find her. However in G.U. she barely appears or is mentioned except in Vol.3.
So compared to the first series where she appears several times in each game and basically solves everything at the end, she is much less important in G.U.

That's true for Haseo, but Ovan, the members of Project GU, and CC Corp are all working towards finding Aura in the backround.

That's not necessarily true. The glitches may have accelerated the process, that's true, but if Aura didn't exist in the first place they would still have probably shown up eventually, so there's no real dependence.

Well yea, obviously, but if she never left, we wouldn't have AIDA, and thus we'd have no series.

They did put them back together and connect them to PCs, which does count as modification (they also inadvertantly chipped off fragments of the recovered data when the R.A. Plan failed), but they didn't "allow them to evolve". Whatever went on in the phases' heads before is probably the same, and they were certainly able to physically transform before. "But that was only one of them" is a pretty bad argument since it's still only two of them...

I guess the psychology of the Phases/Avatars is up to debate (Except in Macha's case), though.

My point is that although you are editing it,as well as me occasionally,there are others out there who feed wrong information into the system.

Yes, but technically speaking, it's the most reliable source of information on the net. Just because people feed lies in doesn't mean they stay there.

Heres a question. What circumstances forced Aura to release the Azure Knights without completing thier pc's? perhaps thier not being complete serves more as a symbol of who they used to be than anything else.

The AIDA started attacking before they were ready.

[Jimbob]

That's true for Haseo, but Ovan, the members of Project GU, and CC Corp are all working towards finding Aura in the backround.

But Haseo's the hero. We see the majority of the series through his eyes. And he doesn't know what she was nor does she resolve his problems. Ovan gave up and aside from the Terminal disc we never really get to hear CC Corps opinion. And Aura refuses to come back so their whole plan completely bombed.

Come on AT you have to admit I have a point with her being less prominent in G.U. than the first series. Like Kuukai said the first series was about Aura, but G.U. is about the players taking control of their World.

[Azure crow]

It's Aura fault they HAVE to take control,so that's not a very valid point.
And part fo what lured Haseo to Ovan was his mysterious actions,which wouldn't have occured if not for Aura.
Thus,no Aura interfering,no Haseo staying logged in.

[Skeith805]

AC, I'm having trouble finding which part of this you are arguing? Did you switch sides?

[Kuukai]

That's true for Haseo, but Ovan, the members of Project GU, and CC Corp are all working towards finding Aura in the backround.

No, during the games no one really cares anymore, until Vol.3 when Yata suggests finding her since that worked well for Kite. Ovan doesn't care about her after Roots, everything he does after he DDs Shino is about Skeith... CC Corp too, in the midst of the AIDA crisis, is much more focused on the Avatars themselves then bringing Aura back. Aura's unreliable, the Avatars are AIDA-killing machines. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush... This is more or less what Aura wanted.

Well yea, obviously, but if she never left, we wouldn't have AIDA, and thus we'd have no series.

That doesn't make her significant though, since even if she never existed they'd still have shown up.

It's Aura fault they HAVE to take control,so that's not a very valid point.
And part fo what lured Haseo to Ovan was his mysterious actions,which wouldn't have occured if not for Aura.
Thus,no Aura interfering,no Haseo staying logged in.

Again, if Aura never existed, somebody would eventually have to do something like this anyway. She's a subtheme at best, not critical to the story...

[Azure crow]

AC, I'm having trouble finding which part of this you are arguing? Did you switch sides?

Did I?
I'm not sure.
I'll look back and see,but I'm pretty sure I remained in the same the entire time.

Edit)Alright,I looked it over.
In honesty,if you look back,I never said she was DEFINATLY needed or not.
I have points as to why and why not certain things would have happened as they did with or without her.
The story would have been changed alot without her,but many problems would still exist(although,without Aura the Blackbox system wouldn't have been needed,thus nothing in the series could cause any damage to the real world via the internet,and the series wouldn't have been relevant in many points unless it was weapon system hacking that was the problem.) and many would not.
It's not as if her existance brings misfourtune,and at the same time she dosn't bring perfect peace(due to the choices she makes,and we see that she isn't ALL powerful in //udeden,and there are ways to get rid of her).
Wether or not she exists or not wouldn't change the stat of the real and virtual world,just the problems it faced.

[Skeith805]

K. Sorry to make you look back. I should've gone and looked it up myself. (like I went to the trouble to post those pics of the Dual Gunner Meter)

Thank you.