How does skeith change in this?

[dominus_draconis]

What do you mean? Of course it does. The game says so, and I kicked Anna and Tarvos's asses when I overleveled.

he is right, I tested it on AFG, I have a save right before fighting him and, I tryed one with level 40 and another with 50, and, your attacks DO damage AFG for more damage, so, it proves he DOES get stronger as you level up, interestingly, when you fight an avatar battle at a lower level than you are supposed to, you also seem to dash a bit slower, go figure, but, I have no actual stats on that, so, may have been reacting slower for some reason, but, it seemed like I had to hit dash more rapidly(ie over and over at a faster pace while dodging) than normally to dodge some of the dash to avoid moves, but, meh

[evll33t]

What do you mean? Of course it does. The game says so, and I kicked Anna and Tarvos's asses when I overleveled.

he is right, I tested it on AFG, I have a save right before fighting him and, I tryed one with level 40 and another with 50, and, your attacks DO damage AFG for more damage, so, it proves he DOES get stronger as you level up, interestingly, when you fight an avatar battle at a lower level than you are supposed to, you also seem to dash a bit slower, go figure, but, I have no actual stats on that, so, may have been reacting slower for some reason, but, it seemed like I had to hit dash more rapidly(ie over and over at a faster pace while dodging) than normally to dodge some of the dash to avoid moves, but, meh

interesting find man.

[Azure crow]

I think it was more like more of it's potential was unlocked along with Haseo. Sort of like how a Adapt Rogue is limited with it's weapon and abilities until it get's an extension. If Haseo was another class he probably would have gotten Skeith form two or three from the get-go.

Personally I believe the term "Form __Skeith" is insccurate,and something we create ourselves to explain the change in looks.
Skeith dosn't have "forms" just as the other epitaph users don't.
Skeith is always in the same form,it just changes in the same way that a person changes clothes.
Of course,it DOES get stronger with Haseo's job extentions,but only in way of abilities(which just refelcts haseo,and,again,can just be thought of as changing equipment like anhything else.)
So Skeith wouldn't have "started off in form 2 or 3",he just would have looked different,depending on Haseos class choice and character design.

Of course,I'm not going to abandon the term,it's just seemingly inaccurate.

[evll33t]

I think it was more like more of it's potential was unlocked along with Haseo. Sort of like how a Adapt Rogue is limited with it's weapon and abilities until it get's an extension. If Haseo was another class he probably would have gotten Skeith form two or three from the get-go.

Personally I believe the term "Form __Skeith" is insccurate,and something we create ourselves to explain the change in looks.
Skeith dosn't have "forms" just as the other epitaph users don't.
Skeith is always in the same form,it just changes in the same way that a person changes clothes.
Of course,it DOES get stronger with Haseo's job extentions,but only in way of abilities(which just refelcts haseo,and,again,can just be thought of as changing equipment like anhything else.)
So Skeith wouldn't have "started off in form 2 or 3",he just would have looked different,depending on Haseos class choice and character design.

Of course,I'm not going to abandon the term,it's just seemingly inaccurate.

thats just accurate and confusing too.

[AuraTwilight]

Skeith dosn't have "forms" just as the other epitaph users don't.
Skeith is always in the same form,it just changes in the same way that a person changes clothes.

What the hell is the difference? Transformation = change. Different look = Different forms.

You're just being semantically anal and it doesn't contribute, prove, or rebutt anything.

[evll33t]

Skeith dosn't have "forms" just as the other epitaph users don't.
Skeith is always in the same form,it just changes in the same way that a person changes clothes.

What the hell is the difference? Transformation = change. Different look = Different forms.

You're just being semantically anal and it doesn't contribute, prove, or rebutt anything.

all it does is give me a headache.

[Dragoon2044]

i'm thinking that Skeith was based off Haseo's multiweapon class. Haseo chose the Flicker class as his final job extend so that means Skeith will be based off of it. It just so happens that Skeith's appearance in general is very similar to Skeith's appearance in the previous quadrilogy. Not only that, but Skeith said he was looking for Haseo; that probably contributed.

[little_man]

Jimbob wrote:
Skeith's strength comes from Haseo stats

That's a load of crap. Skeith's strength doesn't change at all.

What do you mean? Of course it does. The game says so, and I kicked Anna and Tarvos's asses when I overleveled.

True. The game says it when you are going to fight using Skeith for the first time.

Skeith dosn't have "forms" just as the other epitaph users don't.
Skeith is always in the same form,it just changes in the same way that a person changes clothes.

What the hell is the difference? Transformation = change. Different look = Different forms.
You're just being semantically anal and it doesn't contribute, prove, or rebutt anything.

all it does is give me a headache.

No opinion... but skeith gains power during the transformations.

[evll33t]

Jimbob wrote:
Skeith's strength comes from Haseo stats

That's a load of crap. Skeith's strength doesn't change at all.

What do you mean? Of course it does. The game says so, and I kicked Anna and Tarvos's asses when I overleveled.

True. The game says it when you are going to fight using Skeith for the first time.

Skeith dosn't have "forms" just as the other epitaph users don't.
Skeith is always in the same form,it just changes in the same way that a person changes clothes.

What the hell is the difference? Transformation = change. Different look = Different forms.
You're just being semantically anal and it doesn't contribute, prove, or rebutt anything.

all it does is give me a headache.

No opinion... but skeith gains power during the transformations.

thats what i think but you know others are going to argue over that.

[Angelic_Light]

Skeith Changes because Endrance gives Haseo his power...to Quote the movie  take my power Haseo and add it to your own. if this doesn't prove that Skeith gets his advancements from othe Epitaph Users and not from Haseo's Job Extentions than I don't know what willl

[Jimbob]

He already has second form Skeith before that scene. That kinda disproves you.

[Skeith805]

Yes, sorry but you fight some AIDA and Gorre before this scene and you are in second form. Plus, In volume 3

Endrance, Kuhn, and Atoli add to Haseo and it just makes him shinier, doesn't change him to the white form.

Sorry, I'm not sure how to make it black but I know how to do this. Hilight it to read.

And about forms, doesn't it say Skeith3rd in the xplanation on how to use him and there also was a

Corbenik2nd

[AuraTwilight]

As for  Corbenic 2nd, that's the true form of Avatar Corbenic, and is an extension of it's special power.

to make it black, use the   tags.

[Requiem]

Alright guys, here's my take on it.

There's only one skeith. However, as Haseo's true potential gets unlocked as he gets Job Extensions (which are the real power of the Adept Rogue), Skeith in turn can manifest itself with more of it's power.

When Haseo get's his last form, his character data becomes so intertwined with that of Skeith that Skeith can achieve a much higher level of power. So the forms of Skeith really only refer to the amount of it that's been awakened through Haseo. That's why the first form we see looks much weaker, because anything more couldn't be handled without Haseo going comatose. As Haseo grows stronger, Skeith's power is also released more.

This also supports why the final form of Skeith looks so similar to the R:1 version, because it could be considered the "true" Skeith with most, if not all of his power.

(What do you guys think? I hope this clears things up a bit, it makes the most sense for me.)

[Azure Knight]

That's funny, because in Volume 1 you get your second job extension. So where's my Gold Skeith in Volume 1 eh?

Because Gold Skeith is based off of Flicker Haseo. We never see Skeith's counterpart to Twin Blade Haseo.

I never saw Magus shoot me with a gun (and don't say anything about the little shot things) or Tarvos come up and punch me in the face. It's a coincidence that after each Job Extension a new form for Skeith kicks in.

Also, has anybody noticed that the eyes on Haseo's 3rd form go down his spiky tail?

[Azure crow]

That's funny, because in Volume 1 you get your second job extension. So where's my Gold Skeith in Volume 1 eh?

Because Gold Skeith is based off of Flicker Haseo. We never see Skeith's counterpart to Twin Blade Haseo.

I never saw Magus shoot me with a gun (and don't say anything about the little shot things) or Tarvos come up and punch me in the face. It's a coincidence that after each Job Extension a new form for Skeith kicks in.

And we've never seen Skeith wield dual guns or a broadsword either,so what's your point?
The change occures because of the characters looks are different,not the characters weapon.

[evll33t]

That's funny, because in Volume 1 you get your second job extension. So where's my Gold Skeith in Volume 1 eh?

Because Gold Skeith is based off of Flicker Haseo. We never see Skeith's counterpart to Twin Blade Haseo.

I never saw Magus shoot me with a gun (and don't say anything about the little shot things) or Tarvos come up and punch me in the face. It's a coincidence that after each Job Extension a new form for Skeith kicks in.

And we've never seen Skeith wield dual guns or a broadsword either,so what's your point?
The change occures because of the characters looks are different,not the characters weapon.

that's what i belive about it

[Jimbob]

This also supports why the final form of Skeith looks so similar to the R:1 version, because it could be considered the "true" Skeith with most, if not all of his power.

Huh? If anything first form Skeith is the closest to orginal Skeith. The final Skeith looks all angelic and stuff which isn't what the R:1 Skeith resembled in the slightest being that it was a villan.

Final Skeith looks a cross between Skeith and Strike Freedom Gundam. (It even flies the same way, and I think makes the same sound effect. Plus the wing attack thing) Being that Bandai is behind both series this was probably intentional.

[evll33t]

This also supports why the final form of Skeith looks so similar to the R:1 version, because it could be considered the "true" Skeith with most, if not all of his power.

Huh? If anything first form Skeith is the closest to orginal Skeith. The final Skeith looks all angelic and stuff which isn't what the R:1 Skeith resembled in the slightest being that it was a villan.

Final Skeith looks a cross between Skeith and Strike Freedom Gundam. (It even flies the same way, and I think makes the same sound effect. Plus the wing attack thing) Being that Bandai is behind both series this was probably intentional.

what the hell?

[Jimbob]

Basically final form Skeith resembles a anime mecha to the point where its glaringly obvious. It has similar weapons, poses the same way, moves the same way etc. Both teh anime and .hack are made by Bandai so it's probably intentional.