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Kite6669 wrote:

Azure crow wrote:

Kite6669 wrote:

AuraTwilight wrote:They aren't related.

The AIDA are data collected by Za Warudo that weren't funneled into Aura (since she was gone and thus couldn't absorb it), so it kind've clumped together into little AI's we know as the AIDA. Which is why they infect people and intensify emotions, since it probably helps them reproduce or something.

Kuukai wrote:That's only one theory, we know nothing about the AIDA, really. Cubia is very different, though.

If AuraTwilight is saying it, then it must be true.

Don`t assume that.He`s smart,but not always right.

True, but hes mostly right. Besides you should trust what are God says, even if he is wrong or right. If you don't, he mite cut your head off.

He's not my god,and never will be.
This is a disscusion board,so it's a moral duty to think twice about what everyone says,especially with people who were almost always right,because if you don't,then you could think a lie about the whole thing.
Of course,I just love debating...it's so civil in itself,and I'd do anything to stop ATism,or so it's called,so that debate would be so much bigger here.

There's a very fine line between not assuming he's right and assuming he's wrong, try not to trip over it.

Regardless of the recent attacks AT has received, he is excellent when it comes to theorising and debating, and I should know as I do this all the time.

Suffice to say I've not seen any theory as clearly explained as ATs; the idea that AIDA are pools of emotion that cannot be funnelled into Aura because she is asleep explains their spontaneous appearence, the fact that they display varying forms of intelligence, and the fact that they alter a person's state emotionally. It's all very balanced and clear, if you can think up a better theory then feel free to post it.

I also want to make it clear that I did not start ATism. It just kinda happened.

Like with Jesus.

Kuukai wrote:No, Aura doesn't "come back", Aura was already there. She is The World's system. She's basically what Morganna was, but without bugs. The only thing she did in 3 was interact, something she doesn't do much, and something Morganna wasn't originally intended to do in the first place.

Wrong, Aura can leave "The World" anytime she feels like. Perfect example is when Aura left "The World" for the first time and everything started to fall apart.  Ya we did find out she was hiding in Ovans Epitaph so I guess it can be said that she never left to begin with but keep in mind, she disconnected her self from the system. Morganna could never have done that. Best thing she can do is destroy her self, thus explaining IMOC. So you see Aura isn't a slave to "The World" like Morgaana is, so there's a big difference. If I remember right Morganna did plenty of interaction. People like Tsukasa, Sora, and a few other people. Heck she even put people into comas! If you ask me shes the queen of interaction.

Azure crow wrote:He's not my god,and never will be.
This is a disscusion board,so it's a moral duty to think twice about what everyone says,especially with people who were almost always right,because if you don't,then you could think a lie about the whole thing.
Of course,I just love debating...it's so civil in itself,and I'd do anything to stop ATism,or so it's called,so that debate would be so much bigger here.

May God have mercy on your SOUL!

AuraTwilight wrote:I also want to make it clear that I did not start ATism. It just kinda happened.

Like with Jesus.

It can't be helped. ^^

Wrong, Aura can leave "The World" anytime she feels like. Perfect example is when Aura left "The World" for the first time and everything started to fall apart. Ya we did find out she was hiding in Ovans Epitaph so I guess it can be said that she never left to begin with but keep in mind, she disconnected her self from the system. Morganna could never have done that. Best thing she can do is destroy her self, thus explaining IMOC. So you see Aura isn't a slave to "The World" like Morgaana is, so there's a big difference. If I remember right Morganna did plenty of interaction. People like Tsukasa, Sora, and a few other people. Heck she even put people into comas! If you ask me shes the queen of interaction.

Wrong. Aura never left, she was sleeping. And not in Corbenic's Epitaph, she just became Za Warudo's OS.

And yes, Morganna can interact, but it wasn't her original purpose.

No, Aura doesn't "come back", Aura was already there. She is The World's system. She's basically what Morganna was, but without bugs. The only thing she did in 3 was interact, something she doesn't do much, and something Morganna wasn't originally intended to do in the first place.

Well I know that. By "Come back" I mean come back into activity and consciousness and all that good stuff.

AuraTwilight wrote:

Wrong, Aura can leave "The World" anytime she feels like. Perfect example is when Aura left "The World" for the first time and everything started to fall apart. Ya we did find out she was hiding in Ovans Epitaph so I guess it can be said that she never left to begin with but keep in mind, she disconnected her self from the system. Morganna could never have done that. Best thing she can do is destroy her self, thus explaining IMOC. So you see Aura isn't a slave to "The World" like Morgaana is, so there's a big difference. If I remember right Morganna did plenty of interaction. People like Tsukasa, Sora, and a few other people. Heck she even put people into comas! If you ask me shes the queen of interaction.

Wrong. Aura never left, she was sleeping. And not in Corbenic's Epitaph, she just became Za Warudo's OS.

And yes, Morganna can interact, but it wasn't her original purpose.

No, Aura doesn't "come back", Aura was already there. She is The World's system. She's basically what Morganna was, but without bugs. The only thing she did in 3 was interact, something she doesn't do much, and something Morganna wasn't originally intended to do in the first place.

Well I know that. By "Come back" I mean come back into activity and consciousness and all that good stuff.

Alright, I know I'm gonna sound like a dumbass asking this, but who is Za Warudo? @_@

Umbra wrote:Suffice to say I've not seen any theory as clearly explained as ATs; the idea that AIDA are pools of emotion that cannot be funnelled into Aura because she is asleep explains their spontaneous appearence, the fact that they display varying forms of intelligence, and the fact that they alter a person's state emotionally. It's all very balanced and clear, if you can think up a better theory then feel free to post it.

For one thing, Vagrant AIs already pretty much solve the problem of leftover data, and there are new ones in G.U. Also, Aura's reappearance can't explain why the AIDA don't come back. First, she isn't summoned until a while after Ovan destroys the AIDA, and the commotion caused by Cubia attacking everyone and everything would surely provide an ample breeding ground for them. Secondly, she's just as aware of what's happening when she's summoned as she is before and after she was. If she was going to do anything about it, she would have already.

Kite6669 wrote:Wrong, Aura can leave "The World" anytime she feels like. Perfect example is when Aura left "The World" for the first time and everything started to fall apart.

She may or may not be able to, but she never left. She was in The World the whole time, "sleeping" as the system of The World itself.

Kite6669 wrote: Ya we did find out she was hiding in Ovans Epitaph so I guess it can be said that she never left to begin with but keep in mind, she disconnected her self from the system.

No we didn't, where are you getting your information from? Haseo had more to do with Aura than Ovan did...

Kite6669 wrote:Morganna could never have done that. Best thing she can do is destroy her self, thus explaining IMOC. So you see Aura isn't a slave to "The World" like Morgaana is, so there's a big difference.

Neither of them ever tried to leave, so we don't know if they can, but both of them have at some point reached out and affected the rest of the Internet.

Kite6669 wrote:If I remember right Morganna did plenty of interaction. People like Tsukasa, Sora, and a few other people. Heck she even put people into comas! If you ask me shes the queen of interaction.

Once she was broken. I said she's doing what Morganna was "originally intended to do", not "what she did."

AuraTwilight wrote:Well I know that. By "Come back" I mean come back into activity and consciousness and all that good stuff.

She really didn't though. Like I said above, she was totally aware of what was going on before, and didn't do anything about it. Possessing Ina didn't give her any power other than communication, and she states that she is, not "was", a being taken to sleep, and has no power to do anything. That's the way she wants it at least. Nothing is said when they talk to her that would explain that discussion magically changing her mind and causing her to stop the AIDA.

Vlaidmare wrote:Alright, I know I'm gonna sound like a dumbass asking this, but who is Za Warudo? @_@

Japanese-ified way of saying "The World".

For one thing, Vagrant AIs already pretty much solve the problem of leftover data, and there are new ones in G.U. Also, Aura's reappearance can't explain why the AIDA don't come back. First, she isn't summoned until a while after Ovan destroys the AIDA, and the commotion caused by Cubia attacking everyone and everything would surely provide an ample breeding ground for them. Secondly, she's just as aware of what's happening when she's summoned as she is before and after she was. If she was going to do anything about it, she would have already.

Vagrant AI's aren't data meant for Aura, though. If anything, they're branching out of her and acting as data-gathering agents. I also have another theory about why the AIDA don't re-appear even if they are being recreated, but it relies on way too many assumptions.

No we didn't, where are you getting your information from? Haseo had more to do with Aura than Ovan did...

Why Haseo? Because she actually spoke with and contacted him?

She really didn't though. Like I said above, she was totally aware of what was going on before, and didn't do anything about it. Possessing Ina didn't give her any power other than communication, and she states that she is, not "was", a being taken to sleep, and has no power to do anything. That's the way she wants it at least. Nothing is said when they talk to her that would explain that discussion magically changing her mind and causing her to stop the AIDA.

Just because she didn't change her mind then doesn't mean anything. Aura's pretty damn fickle, and I wouldn't be surprised if she was all "F*ck it, this is annoying." And do something.

Ovan failed to find her, Haseo succeeded.

The AIDA didn't form until R:2. Aura had been asleep for like over a year. And during Roots, Aura deployed the Azure Knights to fight the AIDA. She doesn't hate the players. If she had a better way to solve the problem, she would have.

I guess that's a good point. I still don't see why they can't be unintegrated emotional data if there was a specific trigger that caused them to be born and/or interact with humans.

(One hypothesis I conjured was that the AIDA might've existed outside of the system only, like in the Harald Rooms, and upon finding Ovan and Ina realized that there were humans on the other side of the system.)

Perhaps. All I'm really trying to say is that we have like, no evidence for any particular theory, including that one. I find it more likely that they have nothing to do with Aura and the Harald System and everything to do with the players themselves, though. The Perfect Guide will probably answer this soon enough.

Well, if the players are responsible for their creation, doesn't that involve the Harald System anyway? Pretty much everything in .hack does except Midori.

On maybe the Cubia level. Something about The World that works independently of the core system...

AuraTwilight wrote:Wrong. Aura never left, she was sleeping. And not in Corbenic's Epitaph, she just became Za Warudo's OS.

What I meant by left I mean she disconnected her self from the system. I guess My version of going to "sleep." OK what the heck is Za Warudo? Because reading from other post everyone said she was hiding in Corbenic's Epitaph. I perfectly remember Ovan was using her power or at least I thought. I read he had "The Key of the Variant" in one hand and "The Key of the Twilight" in the other. since this is a update to me (Plz forgive me if I'm slow) Why were people saying she was in Corbenic's Epitaph and whats this Za Warudo OS that Aura became?

And yes, Morganna can interact, but it wasn't her original purpose.

Hehe, I know that wasn't her original purpose but thanks to her coming "aware", plans changed lol.

Kuukai wrote:She may or may not be able to, but she never left. She was in The World the whole time, "sleeping" as the system of The World itself.

My version of "left" is she went to sleep. Like she left her position as "The System". Now her hiding in Za Warudo, not sure how this work but from what I saw from the Terminal disk, Aura left her position as "The System" and went to sleep(well it didn't say she went to sleep but you know what I mean). Thanks to her doing that, "The World" and the Internet fell apart. With her "leaving", does that mean she disconnected her self from being "The System"?

No we didn't, where are you getting your information from? Haseo had more to do with Aura than Ovan did...

This is one of the places that says it. Just scroll down a little. "Shirosaki" is one of the people that says it.

http://www.dothackers.net/forums/viewto ... &start=580

Neither of them ever tried to leave, so we don't know if they can, but both of them have at some point reached out and affected the rest of the Internet.

Well if you want to put that "WAY", then yes we don't know. But keep in mind Aura isn't tied to the system like Morganna is. Even if she is merged with her these days, Aura still has her freedoms. Herald wanted it that way. If I remember right, AT told me that.

Once she was broken. I said she's doing what Morganna was "originally intended to do", not "what she did."

Yes, you did say she interacted. Sorry I read it wrong, thought you meant she never interacted to begin with.

I know this is interupting the conversation,but is Cubia linked to the lost ones(I can`t make a question mark on this computer,it`s weird,I`m at another house right now,so assume I just put a question mark)
And what was cubia doing once he was reborn(another question mark here)
Why did they have to destroy him(question mark)

Azure crow wrote:I know this is interupting the conversation,but is Cubia linked to the lost ones?

There isn't an actual connection betwen them other than at the same time Ovan did his "rebirth" ability all the lost ones were put out of their coma AND Cubia appeared due to the power it expelled, which was enough to once again activate Cubia, but I mean power in a matter of strenght(in which it rebooted the internet, basically), not special ability

And what was cubia doing once he was reborn?

Was sending its Gomorahs to cause havoc in "The World", while itself was hiding in a place where he could gather power to fight back the "rebirth" ability, it's my theory....

Why did they have to destroy him?

Well, it's natural to fight what stands in your way, in this case they just fought because he/it was basically crumbling the whole internet with destruction and its annoying gomorahs

Kite6669 wrote:What I meant by left I mean she disconnected her self from the system. I guess My version of going to "sleep."

No, she "left" by becoming the system.

Atoli: So she became the "natural" system of The World?
Yata: Perhaps more of a "supernatural" system.

Kite6669 wrote:OK what the heck is Za Warudo? Because reading from other post everyone said she was hiding in Corbenic's Epitaph. I perfectly remember Ovan was using her power or at least I thought. I read he had "The Key of the Variant" in one hand and "The Key of the Twilight" in the other. since this is a update to me (Plz forgive me if I'm slow) Why were people saying she was in Corbenic's Epitaph and whats this Za Warudo OS that Aura became?

As I said a post ago, Za Waarudo is a Japanese-ified way of saying "The World". Aura became the core system, the OS. "Key of the Variant" and "Key of the Twilight" were metaphors for Ovan being the only one at a time possessed, or "loved", by both AIDA and an Avatar. Fidchell used this metaphor because, as a prophet, he isn't allowed to just say "Ovan's gonna mess things up and release Cubia", he has to say:

Fidchell wrote:In his left arm, the Key of Variant. In his right arm, the Key of the Twilight. The Wave of the end, the Ripple of Rebirth. He'll become as light and fill the world. He is the one who will bring about a new Twilight of the Gods. A destroyer, and a creator. And then powerless—with the stampeding of a great shadow. Ah, blessed be the weak.

That's all, it was a metaphor for his Epitaph, nothing to do with Aura.

Kite6669 wrote:My version of "left" is she went to sleep. Like she left her position as "The System". Now her hiding in Za Warudo, not sure how this work but from what I saw from the Terminal disk, Aura left her position as "The System" and went to sleep(well it didn't say she went to sleep but you know what I mean). Thanks to her doing that, "The World" and the Internet fell apart. With her "leaving", does that mean she disconnected her self from being "The System"?

No, she's not messing with the rest of the net, but like even the terminal disc said, I think, she didn't disconnect, but rather she integrated herself into The World.

Kite6669 wrote:This is one of the places that says it. Just scroll down a little. "Shirosaki" is one of the people that says it.

http://www.dothackers.net/forums/viewto ... &start=580

That post seems to be confused about multiple things, like Cubia being in Ovan's arm. These are all things that we might have theorized before the game came out, but are now disproven...

Kite6669 wrote:Well if you want to put that "WAY", then yes we don't know. But keep in mind Aura isn't tied to the system like Morganna is. Even if she is merged with her these days, Aura still has her freedoms. Herald wanted it that way. If I remember right, AT told me that.

All I'm saying is though it's possible, it's not for sure, unless AT can point out a specific source. On the other side of the coin, it's not for sure that she couldn't, and it's also not for sure that Morganna couldn't do it if she could have reconciled it with her purpose...

What I meant by left I mean she disconnected her self from the system. I guess My version of going to "sleep." OK what the heck is Za Warudo? Because reading from other post everyone said she was hiding in Corbenic's Epitaph. I perfectly remember Ovan was using her power or at least I thought. I read he had "The Key of the Variant" in one hand and "The Key of the Twilight" in the other. since this is a update to me (Plz forgive me if I'm slow) Why were people saying she was in Corbenic's Epitaph and whats this Za Warudo OS that Aura became?

Za Warudo is The World. Look like three posts above yours >_>. And no, she was never in Corbenic's Epitaph. She merged even deeper with Za Warudo and became like Morganna. The Keys thing you're talking about is a metaphor, meaning he was associated both with Aura and AIDA.

I know this is interupting the conversation,but is Cubia linked to the lost ones(I can`t make a question mark on this computer,it`s weird,I`m at another house right now,so assume I just put a question mark)
And what was cubia doing once he was reborn(another question mark here)
Why did they have to destroy him(question mark)

He has no affiliation with the Unreturners, but he was destroying Za Warudo and the rest of the internet, threatening to destroy the planet in a nuclear winter.

All I'm saying is though it's possible, it's not for sure, unless AT can point out a specific source. On the other side of the coin, it's not for sure that she couldn't, and it's also not for sure that Morganna couldn't do it if she could have reconciled it with her purpose...

For the record, he's referring to a THEORY of mine. Seriously, even I'm getting full of this ATism thing.

Kuukai wrote:No, she "left" by becoming the system.

Atoli: So she became the "natural" system of The World?
Yata: Perhaps more of a "supernatural" system.

When does this conversation take place?

No, she's not messing with the rest of the net, but like even the terminal disc said, I think, she didn't disconnect, but rather she integrated herself into The World.

I never said she was messing with the net. It was thanks to her disappearing that everything fell apart. Watch the fifth video of the Terminal disk again, you'll see what I mean.

That post seems to be confused about multiple things, like Cubia being in Ovan's arm. These are all things that we might have theorized before the game came out, but are now disproven...

As I said before, that's only one of them.

All I'm saying is though it's possible, it's not for sure, unless AT can point out a specific source. On the other side of the coin, it's not for sure that she couldn't, and it's also not for sure that Morganna couldn't do it if she could have reconciled it with her purpose...

So we really don't know for sure if Aura or Morganna have the freedom to leave. Hmm, I see...

AuraTwilight wrote:Za Warudo is The World. Look like three posts above yours >_>.

From this point on, I would of saw that.

And no, she was never in Corbenic's Epitaph. She merged even deeper with Za Warudo and became like Morganna. The Keys thing you're talking about is a metaphor, meaning he was associated both with Aura and AIDA.

Well now I know what happens to Aura, thanks for clearing that up for me. But this hole key thing, Kuukais saying that this metaphor has to do with Ovan being possessed both by the AIDA and the Avatar. Your saying now this metaphor has to do with Aura and AIDA. Witch is it, Aura and AIDA or AIDA and Avatar? So from what I read up, If Ovan never had Aura in his arm or in his Epitaph and she was in "The Worlds" OS all this time, what does Ovan have to do with Aura? Does he have her power or something? Because that's what I read about a while back when I herd he had these two keys.

For the record, he's referring to a THEORY of mine. Seriously, even I'm getting full of this ATism thing.

Oh come on, it's not that bad lol.

I personally like the whole theory of AIDA being clumps of emotional data, with no one to funnel to. It is after all the core programing of R:1. It's got a good sense of irony too, since this is essentially a fragment of Morganna. So despite being dead she still makes her presence felt and causes trouble to The World.