Crap.... Haseo is.... (and other spoilers)

DataDrainZ · Post by **DataDrainZ** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:42 pm

Isnt Skeith the only Avatar able to talk in GU?

Vahn Staffear · Post by **Vahn Staffear** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:44 pm

DataDrainZ wrote:Isnt Skeith the only Avatar able to talk in GU?

I think so.

Ravaan · Post by **Ravaan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:08 pm

I think Fidchell makes a prophecy or something...

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:11 pm

They can all talk. most of them just choose not to.

Vahn Staffear · Post by **Vahn Staffear** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:17 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:They can all talk. most of them just choose not to.

I forgot about that, Fidchell, and Gorre talk.

Ravaan · Post by **Ravaan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:20 pm

That wasn't Gorre, that was just Saku and Bo...I think...

Shirosaki · Post by **Shirosaki** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:17 pm

I think AuraTwilight is right, how you can know the abilities the avatars are using without even hearing them say, it must be because of the gameplay but I think all of them talk during the battle, even if it´s just the scream for being hit...

Post by **Kuukai** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:42 am

Hmm, it's possible that not all his memories were lost. He has a nostalgic urge to play The World, he's protective about the origin of his name on multiple occasions, and he lies convincingly and for no reason about having job extended before in Rebirth. The last reason sets a track record for us not being able to trust the guy when he says he doesn't know something... That's just a thought though, hopefully they'll add details at some point. And yes, detailed characters can make a story more interesting.

AuraTwilight wrote:They can all talk. most of them just choose not to.

They may or may not, though Fidchell and Skeith are the only ones we hear. They're also the only ones that go berserk and fight on their own. If that happened more, it's possible we'd hear more.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:04 am

Kuukai wrote:he lies convincingly and for no reason about having job extended before in Rebirth. The last reason sets a track record for us not being able to trust the guy when he says he doesn't know something..

Huh? When does he say this?

Post by **Kuukai** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:09 am

Jimbob wrote:
Kuukai wrote:he lies convincingly and for no reason about having job extended before in Rebirth. The last reason sets a track record for us not being able to trust the guy when he says he doesn't know something..
Huh? When does he say this?

To Taika, when he's like "You've done this before, right?" and he's like "Yeah, but it's been a while and I forgot" or something like that...

newtti · Post by **newtti** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:12 am

I don't think Haseo is Sora..
If he was,even IF he had lost his memories,I should have The World R:1(the game),the joypad and all the stuff,and the programs for the world on the pc...so if he didn't remember The World he would have tried to login in this strange game that I have never seen,no?

Tadashi · Post by **Tadashi** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:42 am

newtti wrote:I don't think Haseo is Sora..
If he was,even IF he had lost his memories,I should have The World R:1(the game),the joypad and all the stuff,and the programs for the world on the pc...so if he didn't remember The World he would have tried to login in this strange game that I have never seen,no?

Well, Azure Kite formatted his PC, so why shouldn't it have happened as he was Data Drained by Skeith?
I know, story device, but it could be

newtti · Post by **newtti** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:03 am

Tadashi wrote:
newtti wrote:I don't think Haseo is Sora..
If he was,even IF he had lost his memories,I should have The World R:1(the game),the joypad and all the stuff,and the programs for the world on the pc...so if he didn't remember The World he would have tried to login in this strange game that I have never seen,no?
Well, Azure Kite formatted his PC, so why shouldn't it have happened as he was Data Drained by Skeith?
I know, story device, but it could be

Azure Kite formatted THE WORLD's files,didn't deleted them,only made them like new,or at least that what I've understood ^^"

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:02 pm

Kuukai wrote: To Taika, when he's like "You've done this before, right?" and he's like "Yeah, but it's been a while and I forgot" or something like that...

I don't remember him saying that. At least in the English version he doesn't ask if he's done this before, just that it time for him to use his class's true power. Haseo says that's it's been so long he forgot about it (meaning he had forgotten he was able to use different weapons, not exactly a lie as he had an extension before even if he got it through unusual means.) And Taika says afterwords that he knows all about Haseo's past implying that he knew he had been depowered so why would he ask this?

Post by **Kuukai** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:04 pm

I'm pretty sure he said he did it before... I'll try checking this at some point...

Procyon · Post by **Procyon** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:37 pm

Antares: Then now is the time to awaken your true power as an Adept Rogue!
Haseo: ! You mean job extension?!
Antares: You bet! With a Job Extension you will be able to gain access to higher class jobs. All you need to do is complete a special quest.
Haseo: I know that all ready. It's been so long I'd forgotten about it.
Anatares: Long time, huh. Please. You don't have to say it.
Haseo: Huh?
Antares: I know. I know all about it, kid. You don't have to tell me. I all ready know about one, or two, or three, or four of your old, immature memories.
Haseo: That's too damn many! How many have you got?! Besides, I don't have any old, immature memories!
Antares: *Laughs* Don't be shy now.

Post by **Kuukai** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:43 pm

I'll have to go and check when I have time, I could swear it's different in the Japanese version...

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:49 pm

Haseo may have thought after painful forest that it WAS an official event that was a job extension,because he was never told anything about it being illegal.
So even if he said he did,he may not have thought he was lieing about it.
Added to that,what does that have to do with supporting the sora=haseo thoery

I think the reason that the haseo=sora theory isn't that popular is because we don't really want to imagine haseo as the immature kid sora was back then,or picture sora's character when we see haseo.
linking the two...it's hard to say...it's like it takes away from haseo's personality.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:06 pm

Well if Haseo really is Sora I hope there's an important reason as to why he doesn't remember the past and not just that he forgot because he was young then. Like he was in a car accident or something and forgot some of his childhood.

As for the friend thing. It could be that he remembers some of it subliminally but assumes it must be because a friend told him cause he can't remember playing that game. Or assuming he really does know Yata/Wiseman in real life it could have been him that told him. Since he was involved with CC Corp by them he could have known that he had a past history with Skieth and could very well be his Epitaph user, so he tried to get him to play again by telling him about his days as Wiseman (it wouldn't even be lying as he really did play R:1) Apparantly being in a World induced coma increases your chances of being a Epitaph user since 4 of the known ones were all R:1 data drain victims. It could even be required since we don't know about the other 4.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:13 pm

Who exactly were the other 4?(I know wiseman,sieg,and Elk(if proven or not))