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What do you mean? He got it because it ran up and infected him. It's purpose is the same as all the other AIDA. It's effecting Ovan in that manner because each AIDA manifests it's Infections differently. It chose him because he's an Epitaph Weilder.

I meant plot-wise. Was it obtained in an encounter with Eina, why did his AIDA manifest into Cubia <Alpha> as a source (if that's the case), why it doesn't simply affect his PC similarly to other characters who have been infected, i.e., Atoli and Pi. Neither of them spawned a Cubia <Alpha>, and neither ended up with a deformed arm.

Another question would be why he's able to contain it, and why he believes only Haseo can defeat him.

And just, why exactly, did the AIDA not latch on to another Epitaph-PC, and what is its purpose in the world. Is it no more than a bug that exists as a hazard, or will they congregate into something?

Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:

What do you mean? He got it because it ran up and infected him. It's purpose is the same as all the other AIDA. It's effecting Ovan in that manner because each AIDA manifests it's Infections differently. It chose him because he's an Epitaph Weilder.

I meant plot-wise. Was it obtained in an encounter with Eina, why did his AIDA manifest into Cubia <Alpha> as a source (if that's the case), why it doesn't simply affect his PC similarly to other characters who have been infected, i.e., Atoli and Pi. Neither of them spawned a Cubia <Alpha>, and neither ended up with a deformed arm.

Another question would be why he's able to contain it, and why he believes only Haseo can defeat him.

And just, why exactly, did the AIDA not latch on to another Epitaph-PC, and what is its purpose in the world. Is it no more than a bug that exists as a hazard, or will they congregate into something?

As far as i'm able to tell, this is my answer.

Who knows when exactly Cubia went and humped Ovan, but it chose him and exactly him and not another Epitaph User because he's The Rebirth, and that might've helped on Cubia getting stronger and being able to spawn all those AIDAs.

About why the same didnt happen to Pi or Atoli, its because their AIDAs where quickly taken away. In Ovan's case, however, no one including him could get rid of it, so he couldnt do anything else but hold it as much as possible on the lock. And, when Haseo finally fought him, it was too strong already to be simply DDed.

Except Shino and Alkaid seemed rather calm when they were attacked and didn't seem too upset as they were fading away. As opposed to Orca in the first series who was freaking out over how he couldn't kill Skeith and then sounded like he was dying as he faded away. Yet all of them became comatose.

Just because they're not freaking out on the outside doesn't mean they can't be freaking out on the inside. Alkaid was pretty worried over her condition even if she wasn't all "OMGWTFOMGOMGOMGOMGGGGGGGG" and Shino...well...who the **** cares? Anyway, Shino had a sneaking suspicion that she didn't have much time left anyway, and the PK only confirmed it. It's not just panic that causes Coma's. The person has to already be "in" the game.

But...if so's the case...what exactly causes them to be back?? Because they're 'dead' inside The World, so they have no idea of what's going on, and since, the way AT explains it makes it sound like its a 'mind trick', it makes me think that they'll not wake up until someone goes and gives them a therapy of 'You're not death' inside their heads.

Well, for Tsukasa, it was willpower. For the coma victims from IMOQ, they were summoned by Aura for the final battle where they all realized. "Wait a minute. How can we be fighting if we're dead?" And thus they snapped out of it on their own. Anyway, just because Shino and Yowkow are fighting with Haseo doesn't mean they're awake in the real world. They could be in a Tsukasa state or they could be AI copies.

I meant plot-wise. Was it obtained in an encounter with Eina, why did his AIDA manifest into Cubia <Alpha> as a source (if that's the case), why it doesn't simply affect his PC similarly to other characters who have been infected, i.e., Atoli and Pi. Neither of them spawned a Cubia <Alpha>, and neither ended up with a deformed arm.

No one knows when and how he got it. But it doesn't matter, does it? We just know it happens and that should be good enough. The reason it manifests as Cubia Alpha, in my opinion, is that Ovan's AIDA is the first, from which all the other AIDA come from. We do see that Ovan can create AIDA with his arm, afterall. My personal theory is that, as the Anti-Existence, Cubia simply formed over his arm from the beginning. Like while doing whatever, it just started appearing from WITHIN him.

Another question would be why he's able to contain it, and why he believes only Haseo can defeat him.

Corbenic can apparently create data, like the cannon Ovan uses to lock his arm, and Skeith can apparently permanently kill data.

And just, why exactly, did the AIDA not latch on to another Epitaph-PC, and what is its purpose in the world. Is it no more than a bug that exists as a hazard, or will they congregate into something?

Ovan was the first to receive his Epitaph, so it was a matter of first come, first serve. It's purpose in the World is to serve as the Anti-Existence. The AIDA seem to act as white (or in this case, black) blood cells resisting the Avatars, but the AIDA are self-aware and independant, and wish to be free of their fate as Anti-Existences just like the original Cubia. They also seem to wish to understand humans and control the internet. Both probably in the interest of evolution.

I suppose that does make quite a bit of sense. Thanks for the explanation, A.T.! : D

AuraTwilight wrote: Just because they're not freaking out on the outside doesn't mean they can't be freaking out on the inside. Alkaid was pretty worried over her condition even if she wasn't all "OMGWTFOMGOMGOMGOMGGGGGGGG"

She didn't seem to know what the hell was going on judging by that fact that the only coherent statement she seemed to make was what guild Bordeaux was in. When Haseo showed up she was rather confused that she was breaking up. She only seemed upset about how she couldn't help Haseo anymore and how hysterical he was over her rather than showing any concern for her own well being. But that does imply she figures out she going comatose by then so I'll give you that. However her voice is already messed up when he first shows up when she's still rather confused. Anyway I guess you could be right about her believeing she's dead in the game but from what I get she's rather surprised and unsure about what's going on.

However in the first series it seemed like the coma victims were revived by Aura after she became the ultimate A.I. I don't know where anybody released themselves on their own except Tsukasa who seemed to be a special case since he was personally supervised by Morganna and allowed to roam the world as an A.I. like being. (The other coma victims seemed to get locked away somewhere for the rest of the series)

Yes, but HOW did Aura release them? She showed them first hand that they were not dead. They were released in a Tsukasa like state in the ending (how can Kazu and Orca be at the controllers if they're in a hospital? No one can log in that fast.) and allowed to log out when they wanted.

@AuraTwilight


ok, if in fact the AIDA from Ovan's arm is the first and orginial, therefore the sourse of AIDA, then I have to wonder about one detal, becuase everything said so far makes perfect sense except this: At the end of Rebirth where Haseo,PI and Kuhn fight Tri-edge. Tri-edge DDed the area around him, at which point everyone fell through the floor. On the way down they see a big black mass (with black dots around the edge) and are like "what is that?" then of course at that point you fight tri-edge. My question is this: if ovan's AIDA is the sourse, then what is that big black mass that Haseo and party see in avatar space right before they fight tri-edge?

JonFireblade wrote:@AuraTwilight


ok, if in fact the AIDA from Ovan's arm is the first and orginial, therefore the sourse of AIDA, then I have to wonder about one detal, becuase everything said so far makes perfect sense except this: At the end of Rebirth where Haseo,PI and Kuhn fight Tri-edge. Tri-edge DDed the area around him, at which point everyone fell through the floor. On the way down they see a big black mass (with black dots around the edge) and are like "what is that?" then of course at that point you fight tri-edge. My question is this: if ovan's AIDA is the sourse, then what is that big black mass that Haseo and party see in avatar space right before they fight tri-edge?

one his name is kite...not tri-edge.... ovan is tri-edgetwo,to could have very well been aida considering that the lockers where full of it....or it could have been black emptiness...or rips in the data cuz of the DD.

AuraTwilight wrote:Yes, but HOW did Aura release them? She showed them first hand that they were not dead. They were released in a Tsukasa like state in the ending (how can Kazu and Orca be at the controllers if they're in a hospital? No one can log in that fast.) and allowed to log out when they wanted.

Where did you get that? She could have just released their minds from the system or wherever they went. I agree that Kazu and Orca were there in spiritual form at the end. (not your party though, they probably just got back up and put their headsets back on since they were only out for about a minute) and then were sent back to their bodies afterwords but where does this "think you are dead" stuff come from.

ok, if in fact the AIDA from Ovan's arm is the first and orginial, therefore the sourse of AIDA, then I have to wonder about one detal, becuase everything said so far makes perfect sense except this: At the end of Rebirth where Haseo,PI and Kuhn fight Tri-edge. Tri-edge DDed the area around him, at which point everyone fell through the floor. On the way down they see a big black mass (with black dots around the edge) and are like "what is that?" then of course at that point you fight tri-edge. My question is this: if ovan's AIDA is the sourse, then what is that big black mass that Haseo and party see in avatar space right before they fight tri-edge?

It could've been a manifestation of Ovan's AIDA. Whenever someone is infected, a black shadowy double wanders an AIDA Server.

Where did you get that? She could have just released their minds from the system or wherever they went. I agree that Kazu and Orca were there in spiritual form at the end. (not your party though, they probably just got back up and put their headsets back on since they were only out for about a minute) and then were sent back to their bodies afterwords but where does this "think you are dead" stuff come from.

Due to how realistic the World is, people take it too seriously, just like some people are afraid of dolls and mirrors for their humanoid appearance.

The A Tone, in real life, has proven to create feelings of anxiety in children and teenagers and a portion of adults. A Note + Getting your ass kicked by something which shouldn't exist + rumors of people who get killed by this something going into comas = "Oh my god, I'm screwed!"

The person probably faints from shock and fear, and then simply don't wake up because they're convinced they're dead. An example is when Mimiru, Bear, and Tsukasa are exploring that hidden dungeon to find Harald. The ground collapses and Mimiru falls, with Bear saving her. "Bear....Bear what happens if we die here?" "Nothing. You'll just restart where you last saved." "But...but Bear, your hand...it's sweaty."

Mimiru is a relatively brave girl even in the face of Morganna herself. But here she is, in this dungeon, and merely fell for a pre-programmed trap. However, the entire dungeon is not natural, she's traveling with a technically comatose person with relation to the Key of the Twilight, and the dungeon itself has an association with the Key. Logically, the Key and everything to do with it can put someone in a coma and Mimiru realizes this.

Thus, she overreacts and panics, fearing for her own IRL safety only though Mimiru the Blademaster is the only one in danger. She's overreacting so fiercely that she's even imagining that she can feel the sweat on Bear's hands. Together with the fact Maha only tries to Data Drain Mimiru at this time, where Mimiru is emotionally vulnerable, suggests that she will only go comatose in this panicked condition.

I mean is there any offical proof of this other than speculation.

Well Yata presents the theory, and the Udeden anime "proves" it, but since it's not canon, it doesn't nessessarily have to be taken as proof.

There isnt any official proof about what is what causes the players to go into coma, but AT's theory is the closest of being one, or maybe the real one itself, because it has basis in both canon and non-canon events in The World
That's my opinion.

And thanks for clearing my doubt

So, This is Eina, Not Aura Right? (Click Eina's Name) Becuase I'm getting flame on antoerh forum, everyone saying Eina is Aura. T_T

And thanks for Clearing that up some AT. I didn't understnad it that much either. :3

~LL~

The girl in the chair, reading a book sometimes, and the only AI girl we have seen in GU = Eina

An Ultimate AI which has never been seen in GU so far = Aura


If you want to shut all those flamers up, just show them this topic and let them decide by themselves.

Or you can laugh at them if they ever play the game and realize their presumptuous mistake.

Yeah I just wanted to put my comment in that ummm AURA IS NOT GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Believe me or not youll see youll all see hahahahahahahhahaha

Yes she is. It's the whole point of GU.

None Of us have played the third game or heard anything thats certain that shes gone all that we are doing now is guessing so none of us know if shes gone or not yet

Azure_Knight_Kite wrote:None Of us have played the third game or heard anything thats certain that shes gone all that we are doing now is guessing so none of us know if shes gone or not yet

shes gone dude....we all know it...she left...gone....or else he statue would still be in chains in the cathedral...