Aura and Eina (Spoilers)

Azure_Flame_Deity · Post by **Azure_Flame_Deity** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:57 pm

Umbra wrote:It seems pretty obvious that Cubia is the source of the AIDA and that AIDA is the antithesis to the Avatars.

Yes, I can surmise that, but I want concrete proof! D:

lukan · Post by **lukan** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:02 pm

hmm, the most obvious theory .....no it cant be it

>_>
Toszi

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:35 pm

Yes, I'm aware of that, but the fact that she directly fused with Corebenik, specifically, urges me to speculate that she plays a part.

She wasn't fused with Corbenic any more than the others. The eight Phases are equal.

...And now that I think about it, perhaps, if AIDA is an Anti-Existance (I still wonder to what, really), then what would that make Cubia <Alpha>? An anti-existance to the anti-existance, or perhaps the source? Perhaps Cubia <Alpha> is the anti-existance to Haseo's Xth-Form, or perhaps his newly acquired Data Drain ability? Though that wouldn't make sense without a Bracelet...

The AIDA would be the Anti-Existence to the Avatars, since they're so similar it's bizzarre. Cubia is seen coming out of Ovan's arm, so I'm thinking Ovan's AIDA and Cubia are one and the same. Haseo's Data Drain ability comes from his Avatar, and Xth form wouldn't cast an Anti-Existence since it can't cause Coma's.

Ovan's AIDA infection is certainly... complicated... to say the least. I don't really know what to think. :/

What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:24 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that, but the fact that she directly fused with Corebenik, specifically, urges me to speculate that she plays a part.
She wasn't fused with Corbenic any more than the others. The eight Phases are equal.

...And now that I think about it, perhaps, if AIDA is an Anti-Existance (I still wonder to what, really), then what would that make Cubia <Alpha>? An anti-existance to the anti-existance, or perhaps the source? Perhaps Cubia <Alpha> is the anti-existance to Haseo's Xth-Form, or perhaps his newly acquired Data Drain ability? Though that wouldn't make sense without a Bracelet...
The AIDA would be the Anti-Existence to the Avatars, since they're so similar it's bizzarre. Cubia is seen coming out of Ovan's arm, so I'm thinking Ovan's AIDA and Cubia are one and the same. Haseo's Data Drain ability comes from his Avatar, and Xth form wouldn't cast an Anti-Existence since it can't cause Coma's.

Ovan's AIDA infection is certainly... complicated... to say the least. I don't really know what to think. :/
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.

maybe the reason they couldnt release Ovan of the AIDA is because its directly related or IS Cubia....and that haseo isnt strong enough to take out an anti-exsistence yet.

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:26 pm

haseoxth wrote:
AuraTwilight wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that, but the fact that she directly fused with Corebenik, specifically, urges me to speculate that she plays a part.
She wasn't fused with Corbenic any more than the others. The eight Phases are equal.

...And now that I think about it, perhaps, if AIDA is an Anti-Existance (I still wonder to what, really), then what would that make Cubia <Alpha>? An anti-existance to the anti-existance, or perhaps the source? Perhaps Cubia <Alpha> is the anti-existance to Haseo's Xth-Form, or perhaps his newly acquired Data Drain ability? Though that wouldn't make sense without a Bracelet...
The AIDA would be the Anti-Existence to the Avatars, since they're so similar it's bizzarre. Cubia is seen coming out of Ovan's arm, so I'm thinking Ovan's AIDA and Cubia are one and the same. Haseo's Data Drain ability comes from his Avatar, and Xth form wouldn't cast an Anti-Existence since it can't cause Coma's.

Ovan's AIDA infection is certainly... complicated... to say the least. I don't really know what to think. :/
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
maybe the reason they couldnt release Ovan of the AIDA is because its directly related or IS Cubia....and that haseo isnt strong enough to take out an anti-exsistence yet.

Think about it. You can't kill an anti-existence to Avatars if you're in Avatar form, if that's what Cubia <Alpha> really is.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:28 pm

Bulletcatcher wrote:
haseoxth wrote:
AuraTwilight wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that, but the fact that she directly fused with Corebenik, specifically, urges me to speculate that she plays a part.
She wasn't fused with Corbenic any more than the others. The eight Phases are equal.

...And now that I think about it, perhaps, if AIDA is an Anti-Existance (I still wonder to what, really), then what would that make Cubia <Alpha>? An anti-existance to the anti-existance, or perhaps the source? Perhaps Cubia <Alpha> is the anti-existance to Haseo's Xth-Form, or perhaps his newly acquired Data Drain ability? Though that wouldn't make sense without a Bracelet...
The AIDA would be the Anti-Existence to the Avatars, since they're so similar it's bizzarre. Cubia is seen coming out of Ovan's arm, so I'm thinking Ovan's AIDA and Cubia are one and the same. Haseo's Data Drain ability comes from his Avatar, and Xth form wouldn't cast an Anti-Existence since it can't cause Coma's.

Ovan's AIDA infection is certainly... complicated... to say the least. I don't really know what to think. :/
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
maybe the reason they couldnt release Ovan of the AIDA is because its directly related or IS Cubia....and that haseo isnt strong enough to take out an anti-exsistence yet.
Think about it. You can't kill an anti-existence to Avatars if you're in Avatar form, if that's what Cubia <Alpha> really is.

man....headache....

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:19 pm

Reading topics like this creates alot of questions inside my head that are mostly solved by a god named AuraTwilight...Except for one small thing

According to Yata, it's not that the World is taking people's souls, but that a person is being tricked into thinking The World is real, and mind over matter takes over from there. Being Data Drained, for example, would make someone think they were sincerely dead, and thus they go comatose. Mai Minase even theorized that the A Note was subliminal programming.

So, when Ovan PKed someone, what happened in that PC's mind?? Ovan's attack caused some noise to trick the player into a true death's state, and caused the real-life player to get into a coma?? And if so, is the same cause when Alkaid was PKed and left into coma???

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:23 pm

What AT is suggesting is that players would fall into a coma after these attacks because they were convinced that they had been killed. It may be the AIDA's effect on the mind that make them believe Ovan or Bordeaux actually killed them as opposed to any other PKing.

Of course, Yata is meant to be the logical voice, I doubt there will ever be a true explanation of the reason behind these comas.

Akuta · Post by **Akuta** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:35 pm

Umbra wrote:What AT is suggesting is that players would fall into a coma after these attacks because they were convinced that they had been killed. It may be the AIDA's effect on the mind that make them believe Ovan or Bordeaux actually killed them as opposed to any other PKing.

Of course, Yata is meant to be the logical voice, I doubt there will ever be a true explanation of the reason behind these comas.

I haven't read the manga yet and i know it's not canon, so bare with me, but wouldn't this be pretty similar to what was done in the LottB anime?

Azure_Flame_Deity · Post by **Azure_Flame_Deity** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:51 pm

What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.

Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:27 pm

Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.

ovans special...thats why....Cubia found an excellent host in ovan...maybe cubia choose ovan cuz of him being one for the epitaph users.there by know that hes going to come in contact with the other 7 at some point in time....

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:30 pm

haseoxth wrote:
Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.
ovans special...thats why....Cubia found an excellent host in ovan...maybe cubia choose ovan cuz of him being one for the epitaph users.there by know that hes going to come in contact with the other 7 at some point in time....

Possibility:

Ovan is the Rebirth. His Epitaph power allows him to manifest things and grow with them. Cubia chose Ovan as a host, like a seed planted in soil.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:36 pm

Bulletcatcher wrote:
haseoxth wrote:
Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.
ovans special...thats why....Cubia found an excellent host in ovan...maybe cubia choose ovan cuz of him being one for the epitaph users.there by know that hes going to come in contact with the other 7 at some point in time....
Possibility:

Ovan is the Rebirth. His Epitaph power allows him to manifest things and grow with them. Cubia chose Ovan as a host, like a seed planted in soil.

maybe thats what he was talking about in roots...when shino asked him where he went...he said"i planted a seed and im watching it grow..."

Akuta · Post by **Akuta** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:41 pm

haseoxth wrote:
Bulletcatcher wrote:
haseoxth wrote:
Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.
ovans special...thats why....Cubia found an excellent host in ovan...maybe cubia choose ovan cuz of him being one for the epitaph users.there by know that hes going to come in contact with the other 7 at some point in time....
Possibility:

Ovan is the Rebirth. His Epitaph power allows him to manifest things and grow with them. Cubia chose Ovan as a host, like a seed planted in soil.
maybe thats what he was talking about in roots...when shino asked him where he went...he said"i planted a seed and im watching it grow..."

He's stated that that's metaphorical though.
It's more like, he set it up so that either Haseo or something that will make Haseo stronger (maybe through challenging him) would start "growing"

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:49 pm

Akuta wrote:
haseoxth wrote:
Bulletcatcher wrote:
haseoxth wrote:
Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.
ovans special...thats why....Cubia found an excellent host in ovan...maybe cubia choose ovan cuz of him being one for the epitaph users.there by know that hes going to come in contact with the other 7 at some point in time....
Possibility:

Ovan is the Rebirth. His Epitaph power allows him to manifest things and grow with them. Cubia chose Ovan as a host, like a seed planted in soil.
maybe thats what he was talking about in roots...when shino asked him where he went...he said"i planted a seed and im watching it grow..."
He's stated that that's metaphorical though.
It's more like, he set it up so that either Haseo or something that will make Haseo stronger (maybe through challenging him) would start "growing"

ovans weird that way...thats why hes speical....

Azure_Flame_Deity · Post by **Azure_Flame_Deity** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:51 pm

haseoxth wrote:
Bulletcatcher wrote:
haseoxth wrote:
Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.
ovans special...thats why....Cubia found an excellent host in ovan...maybe cubia choose ovan cuz of him being one for the epitaph users.there by know that hes going to come in contact with the other 7 at some point in time....
Possibility:

Ovan is the Rebirth. His Epitaph power allows him to manifest things and grow with them. Cubia chose Ovan as a host, like a seed planted in soil.
maybe thats what he was talking about in roots...when shino asked him where he went...he said"i planted a seed and im watching it grow..."

That is plausible, actually...

And there was another line where he made the same reference to Haseo in Rebirth:

"It was such a small seed. I needed to find out what was growing inside, and there was only one way to find out. That's why I decided to raise it."

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:53 pm

Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:
haseoxth wrote:
Bulletcatcher wrote:
haseoxth wrote:
Azure_Flame_Deity wrote:
What's complicated about it? When you get right down to it it's no different than the others, aside from being more malignant.
Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.
ovans special...thats why....Cubia found an excellent host in ovan...maybe cubia choose ovan cuz of him being one for the epitaph users.there by know that hes going to come in contact with the other 7 at some point in time....
Possibility:

Ovan is the Rebirth. His Epitaph power allows him to manifest things and grow with them. Cubia chose Ovan as a host, like a seed planted in soil.
maybe thats what he was talking about in roots...when shino asked him where he went...he said"i planted a seed and im watching it grow..."
That is plausible, actually...

And there was another line where he made the same reference to Haseo in Rebirth:

"It was such a small seed. I needed to find out what was growing inside, and there was only one way to find out. That's why I decided to raise it."

that would mean that he found cubia...and that he took cubia on his own...and then cubia got to strong for him and gave birth the the AIDA that now is spreading throughout the net and cubia started acting through ovan....

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:36 pm

So, when Ovan PKed someone, what happened in that PC's mind?? Ovan's attack caused some noise to trick the player into a true death's state, and caused the real-life player to get into a coma?? And if so, is the same cause when Alkaid was PKed and left into coma???

Due to how realistic the World is, people take it too seriously, just like some people are afraid of dolls and mirrors for their humanoid appearance.

The A Tone, in real life, has proven to create feelings of anxiety in children and teenagers and a portion of adults. A Note + Getting your ass kicked by something which shouldn't exist + rumors of people who get killed by this something going into comas = "Oh my god, I'm screwed!"

The person probably faints from shock and fear, and then simply don't wake up because they're convinced they're dead. An example is when Mimiru, Bear, and Tsukasa are exploring that hidden dungeon to find Harald. The ground collapses and Mimiru falls, with Bear saving her. "Bear....Bear what happens if we die here?" "Nothing. You'll just restart where you last saved." "But...but Bear, your hand...it's sweaty."

Mimiru is a relatively brave girl even in the face of Morganna herself. But here she is, in this dungeon, and merely fell for a pre-programmed trap. However, the entire dungeon is not natural, she's traveling with a technically comatose person with relation to the Key of the Twilight, and the dungeon itself has an association with the Key. Logically, the Key and everything to do with it can put someone in a coma and Mimiru realizes this.

Thus, she overreacts and panics, fearing for her own IRL safety only though Mimiru the Blademaster is the only one in danger. She's overreacting so fiercely that she's even imagining that she can feel the sweat on Bear's hands. Together with the fact Maha only tries to Data Drain Mimiru at this time, where Mimiru is emotionally vulnerable, suggests that she will only go comatose in this panicked condition.

I haven't read the manga yet and i know it's not canon, so bare with me, but wouldn't this be pretty similar to what was done in the LottB anime?

Exactly.

Complicated in the sense of how it was obtained, its purpose, why it is affecting Ovan in such a manner, and why it chose him.

What do you mean? He got it because it ran up and infected him. It's purpose is the same as all the other AIDA. It's effecting Ovan in that manner because each AIDA manifests it's Infections differently. It chose him because he's an Epitaph Weilder.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:44 pm

Except Shino and Alkaid seemed rather calm when they were attacked and didn't seem too upset as they were fading away. As opposed to Orca in the first series who was freaking out over how he couldn't kill Skeith and then sounded like he was dying as he faded away. Yet all of them became comatose.

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:07 pm

Except Shino and Alkaid seemed rather calm when they were attacked and didn't seem too upset as they were fading away. As opposed to Orca in the first series who was freaking out over how he couldn't kill Skeith and then sounded like he was dying as he faded away. Yet all of them became comatose.

I imagine that its not only if you have a feeling of panic as AT said, but the 'something' that killed them causes something to appear in the player's visor (maybe an intense flash of light), and when its mixed with all those feelings of death, they just fall into comas.

But...if so's the case...what exactly causes them to be back?? Because they're 'dead' inside The World, so they have no idea of what's going on, and since, the way AT explains it makes it sound like its a 'mind trick', it makes me think that they'll not wake up until someone goes and gives them a therapy of 'You're not death' inside their heads.