The face of the girl sitting on the chair =D *SPOILERS*

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:03 am

How is that posting remotely official-y? I somehow don't think they have a vote hotline....Can anyone who actually has the magazine confirm this? I see nothing about this on the official BBSs, so I'm guessing the AINA spelling is still just a fan theory...

Ovan, Aura, and Emma aren't properly written in all caps, I think that guy just wrote it AURA because, again, it's not official. Emma's name was written like that on her epitaph since it was all in caps. Ovan's name, even for the AIDA key thing called "O-van01", isn't capitalized weirdly... So no, none of them are acronyms. "AINA", if that were the name, would be highly suspected to be an acronym however, becaue of her almost certain connection with the AIDA. Again, I don't think we even know that's her name...

Kryuzei · Post by **Kryuzei** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:41 am

However, I could see her appearing during Volume 3, at least to talk to Haseo, out of the characters in Roots that have yet to make a confirmed appearance in GU, Saburo is the most likely to appear, Tohta being the only other one I could see reappearing.

damn, i still need the twilight brigade...

"O-van01", isn't capitalized weirdly... So no, none of them are acronyms. "AINA", if that were the name, would be highly suspected to be an acronym however, becaue of her almost certain connection with the AIDA. Again, I don't think we even know that's her name...

if AINA is not an acronym.....Aina..Eina ? huh ???
#_# i really really have bad feeling for this...

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:26 pm

Well let's see after examining the cutscene Reunion from Rebirth. I think the "seed" Ovan was talking about is the AIDA in his arm that Aina probably gave him.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:34 pm

I think the seed is Eina herself.

Ovan found the young AI girl, helped her grow and act as a father to her. We know that Phyllo met Eina when she was waiting for someone and that she introduced Phyllo to Ovan, it seems that Eina was waiting for her father.

I'm certain she's connected to the origin of AIDA, but whether or not she willingly created them is suspect. Her own origin, in my eyes, could either be a botched Ultimate AI that was created as a result of the failed RA Plan, or the Antithesis created as a result of the Avatars.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:36 pm

Interesting.. so Ovan is trying to be a father for Eina... Well I'm getting a feeling that somehow Ovan failed being a father in real life. But that would go into Shino bashing about how she loves old men.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:47 pm

I don't know whether or not Ovan failed in real life, and I am certain that he is older than Shino...

He certainly has a fatherly aura about him, the way he speaks and presents himself is one of both power and kindness. Something has certainly gone wrong with regards to his rearing of Eina, but I'm still not certain what.

Suffice to say I think Ovan is far from evil, I also think Shino may have known about Eina, and that Ovan was searching for the Key of the Twilight to right some wrong that occured with Eina.

mr.classybear · Post by **mr.classybear** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:31 pm

im pretty sure he was talkign about haseo when hr said that thign about the seed. He said hed raise haseo to kill him , he either said that at the end of Roots or to Shino.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:59 pm

'm certain she's connected to the origin of AIDA, but whether or not she willingly created them is suspect. Her own origin, in my eyes, could either be a botched Ultimate AI that was created as a result of the failed RA Plan, or the Antithesis created as a result of the Avatars.

It could be both. How else are the Epitaph PC's supposed to create an Ultimate AI? The opposite of Morganna's Phases is Aura, for they were created to keep her in check.

im pretty sure he was talkign about haseo when hr said that thign about the seed. He said hed raise haseo to kill him , he either said that at the end of Roots or to Shino.

While I love Umbra's theory, I gotta agree with you.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:49 am

mr.classybear wrote:im pretty sure he was talkign about haseo when hr said that thign about the seed. He said hed raise haseo to kill him , he either said that at the end of Roots or to Shino.

Of course, that is entirely possible...

But to simply assume that the seed is Haseo seems too easy, we already know this girl is connected to Ovan and, like Aura before her, will probably have to have been taught about The World.

The way Ovan speaks to Haseo leads me to believe he is talking about something besides Haseo, remember that Haseo asks him where he was to which Ovan replies that he was busy before going on to make the seed analogy. That leads me to the conclusion that he never returned because he was busy with Eina.

When we come down to it, we know that Ovan wants Haseo to kill him, but why? Why would Ovan raise Haseo to kill him? What does he mean when he says Haseo must kill him?

I'm almost certain Ovan's reasoning lies in connection with Eina, he wouldn't want Haseo to kill him because of a simple infection, no matter how large it is. The two conclusions I came to are that Eina is using Ovan or that Ovan wishes to save Eina, and looking at the picture of Eina, the latter seems far more likely.

mr.classybear · Post by **mr.classybear** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:52 am

yea, i guess he never gave an exact awnser to who he was talking to.

Locke_Artema · Post by **Locke_Artema** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:13 am

Umbra wrote:
mr.classybear wrote:im pretty sure he was talkign about haseo when hr said that thign about the seed. He said hed raise haseo to kill him , he either said that at the end of Roots or to Shino.
Of course, that is entirely possible...

But to simply assume that the seed is Haseo seems too easy, we already know this girl is connected to Ovan and, like Aura before her, will probably have to have been taught about The World.

The way Ovan speaks to Haseo leads me to believe he is talking about something besides Haseo, remember that Haseo asks him where he was to which Ovan replies that he was busy before going on to make the seed analogy. That leads me to the conclusion that he never returned because he was busy with Eina.

When we come down to it, we know that Ovan wants Haseo to kill him, but why? Why would Ovan raise Haseo to kill him? What does he mean when he says Haseo must kill him?

I'm almost certain Ovan's reasoning lies in connection with Eina, he wouldn't want Haseo to kill him because of a simple infection, no matter how large it is. The two conclusions I came to are that Eina is using Ovan or that Ovan wishes to save Eina, and looking at the picture of Eina, the latter seems far more likely.

Thats explain, the search of the Key of twilight. The legend say´s, that object it makes any wish in "The world".

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:15 pm

I'm almost certain Ovan's reasoning lies in connection with Eina, he wouldn't want Haseo to kill him because of a simple infection, no matter how large it is. The two conclusions I came to are that Eina is using Ovan or that Ovan wishes to save Eina, and looking at the picture of Eina, the latter seems far more likely.

Dude. I totally want a Harald parallel. Imagine Haseo seeing Ovan tending to a sickly UAI in a wheelchair, who, due to contact with his AIDA, is too sick to move. She's dying, and only killing Ovan can save her.

"I deserve whatever punishment you see fit. But Eina, she does not deserve this. I had no right to be a father. No right at all. Eina...she is the hope for our world. She is our dreams. The dreams of all of us (The Epitaph Users). I wanted...to make them tangible, and everlasting."

If he makes a similar speech to that, I will squeel.

Domino · Post by **Domino** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:41 pm

Are you sure that he said Aina or Eina? For me it sounds like AIDA.
But it's only a meant of me pls don't be angry

haseoskeith · Post by **haseoskeith** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:16 pm

i dont think anyones getting mad at you for that...

Perhaps she is a fragment of AURA (this using Umbra's theorie as a base) Umbra said that maybe the girl was connected to the origins of AIDA... and from what ive read, AIDAs are derivatives from AURA with anomalies......... if she is a fragment of AURA, either she is indeed connected with AIDA origins, or she is one herself. however, i do not belive that she is either an antithesis as a result of the avatars, nor i belive that she is creating AIDAs....... though i believe that the cleansing of "the world" has something to do with her

Mellow Grunty · Post by **Mellow Grunty** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:14 pm

Domino wrote:Are you sure that he said Aina or Eina? For me it sounds like AIDA.
But it's only a meant of me pls don't be angry

Ask the japanese people.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:12 am

haseoskeith wrote:Perhaps she is a fragment of AURA (this using Umbra's theorie as a base) Umbra said that maybe the girl was connected to the origins of AIDA... and from what ive read, AIDAs are derivatives from AURA with anomalies......... if she is a fragment of AURA, either she is indeed connected with AIDA origins, or she is one herself. however, i do not belive that she is either an antithesis as a result of the avatars, nor i belive that she is creating AIDAs....... though i believe that the cleansing of "the world" has something to do with her

I've not read anything that leads me to the conclusion that the AIDA are connected to Aura...

I can see her being an Antithesis to the Avatars, the Ultimate AI created as a result of the RA Plan, or a combination of both. Suffice to say that I believe Aura is an entirely separate entity.

Tylec · Post by **Tylec** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:57 am

Umbra wrote:The way Ovan speaks to Haseo leads me to believe he is talking about something besides Haseo, remember that Haseo asks him where he was to which Ovan replies that he was busy before going on to make the seed analogy. That leads me to the conclusion that he never returned because he was busy with Eina.

I don't recall him doing much with his time after ep. 13, just wandering around random fields.

Umbra wrote:When we come down to it, we know that Ovan wants Haseo to kill him, but why? Why would Ovan raise Haseo to kill him? What does he mean when he says Haseo must kill him?

More importantly, why does it have to be Haseo who kills him? He's had plenty of chances to surrender to Azure Kite's data drain and have his illegal data purged like Haseo's cheated job extensions. Az-Orca and Balmung can one-hit KO AIDAs; surely their boss is just as tough.

And if Ovan can sense Epitaph PCs (he sure seems to know who Haseo was from the get-go), why wasn't it good enough to approach Yata (who he seems to know IRL) and have Fidchell or Tarvos do him in?

DarkAzureKnite · Post by **DarkAzureKnite** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:32 am

it looks like Aina is confirmed(other thread)

Mellow Grunty · Post by **Mellow Grunty** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:35 am

She's so cute. <3

DarkAzureKnite · Post by **DarkAzureKnite** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:50 am

its not zeffie

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The face of the girl sitting on the chair =D SPOILERS