kite or Haseo

[Fairypenguin]

Probably nothing. Would an Avatar choose Kite to be its host?

And Kite did not "put Cubia to sleep", he destroyed him permanently by getting rid of the one thing that keeps Cubia alive in the first place.

Hmmmmmm. Wait, then what the hell was I fighting at the end of Redemption. I seem to remember the final boss being called something along the lines of Cubia... And didn't Yata say that it was called Cubia? Doesn't seem very permanent if it came back.

Kite can be just as fast as Haseo, and his moves provide significant combos. Furthermore the magic system of R:1 allows Kite to quite literally spam his spells at Haseo from long range which is Haseo's significant weakness.

When? He attacked slow. He was really just swinging his blades without skill. Haseo goes much faster. And spells? Block. And unlike Kite, he can lock on with a skill and just fly over. Easy win.

Except Haseo fought Avatars WITH HIS OWN AVATAR. He was fighting big guns with his big guns.(Oh dirty!) Furthermore he wouldn't have taken Cubia on without the help of others. Did Kite have an avatar? No he didn't, but he had the bracelet and his friends to help. Oh, and for future reference, it was the Bracelet that helped Kite and his friends resist DD, not Aura.

Aura helped because they wouldn't have the Bracelet without her. Kite used the Bracelet with the same power that put people in comas. NOW whose playing dirty? ANd for future reference, Data Drain never put people in comas in G.U.

[Fragments.beta]

Your sarcasm is proportional only to your lack of .hack knowledge.

Hmmmmmm. Wait, then what the hell was I fighting at the end of Redemption. I seem to remember the final boss being called something along the lines of Cubia... And didn't Yata say that it was called Cubia? Doesn't seem very permanent if it came back.

Right since he was named Cubia, HE MUST BE THE SAME AMIRITE!? Cubia is an Anti-existence to the Key of the Twilight. A new one was created when a completely different Key of the Twilight was made. Hence the new Cubia was tied to Haseo Xth Form, unlike the previous one which was tied to the bracelet.

When? He attacked slow. He was really just swinging his blades without skill. Haseo goes much faster. And spells? Block. And unlike Kite, he can lock on with a skill and just fly over. Easy win.

Stattaco? Tiger Claws? Saber Dance? These are all fast juggle combos, leaves little room for counter, and not to mention easily spammable. Oh and R:1 spells can't be blocked. You obviously underestimate Kite's agility, but he has done much in the cutscenes, like dodging Corbenik's Drain Heart . Not to mention R:2 speed is exaggerated, since it makes use of "bullet time" just for the sake of looking pretty. AGAIN this is all moot BECAUSE ITS A DIFFERENT COMBAT SYSTEM.

Aura helped because they wouldn't have the Bracelet without her. Kite used the Bracelet with the same power that put people in comas. NOW whose playing dirty? ANd for future reference, Data Drain never put people in comas in G.U.

Aura didn't do jack sh*t other than run, get saved and tell Kite not to fight Cubia. Kite geting the braclet was nothing more than coincidence since it was meant for Orca. She only came back after the final fight with Corbenik when Kite didn't have the bracelet.

Also the Data Drain of the Avatars IS THE SAME as before, it can put people into comas because its powered by emotions. Kite can do it, Morganna could do it, and Haseo could do it. Epitaph users have powers of Avatars, hence it makes them resistant to DD. Azure Kites own DD and the DD of the Twilight Guardians couldn't induce comas because they're robots devoid of any emotions. It did however cause memory loss and a bad hangover.

[Erranty]

Im going with Kite.

Reason 1: His friends are cooler, with Helba in a party, all you have to do is ask her to hack and guess which enemy just lost his internet connection!

Reason 2: KITE IS NOT A DOUCHEBAG! HASEO IS! GAME F*CKING OVER!!! lol

[Fairypenguin]

Powered by emotions? Where the hell do you get that from? Didn't you notice all DDs from IMOQ were used from a blue-ish green bracelet? Skeith had no emotions that we could tell (maybe some from Sora, but theres nothing to prove anything either way). Epitaph DD was obviously not from a blue-green bracelet, and instead of shooting a bunch of lines of stuff into monsters and then having sticks come back to the bracelet, it had a spere of green-black light shoot them, paralyze them, and then what semi-looked like Drain Heart (but wasn't) send tons of data back to Haseo.

If Haseo can't block, then its easy to use the side-dash to move away. ANd if he just decides to pwn Kite, then he could just whip out his guns and start shooting the hell out of him.

Cubia is an Anti-existence to the Key of the Twilight

ANd it takes a lot of forms- Aura, Bracelet, Haseo Xth form, different Bracelet, another Bracelet (1st one, after killing Morganna, LoTB), a book to give you a bracelet- so Cubia is just there as long as one gives off sufficent energy to wake it up (DDing Skeith and Ovans Rebirth (he said the Epitaphs were the Key, and all their powers together in Skeith activate Rebirth) are what cause Cubia to wake up. The TB kept Cubia active because there is no light without shadow, and as Aura says, Cubia is its shadow. But there is no shadow without light, so when Blackrose got rid of the "light" the "shadow" had to go away as well. This looked more like Cubia just got put to sleep since it had no reason to do anything. haseo destroyed it because he used all the Avatars power with his own, which should naturally be stronger than Cubia because Cubia is only as strong as th Avatars.

[Fragments.beta]

Powered by emotions? Where the hell do you get that from? Didn't you notice all DDs from IMOQ were used from a blue-ish green bracelet? Skeith had no emotions that we could tell (maybe some from Sora, but theres nothing to prove anything either way). Epitaph DD was obviously not from a blue-green bracelet, and instead of shooting a bunch of lines of stuff into monsters and then having sticks come back to the bracelet, it had a spere of green-black light shoot them, paralyze them, and then what semi-looked like Drain Heart (but wasn't) send tons of data back to Haseo.

The DD's are exactly the same. They just have a different look but they work on the same principles. And IMOQ Skeith is a DIRECT avatar of Morganna, essentially a piece of her personality, much like the other phases. Hence the power of DD comes through her.

If Haseo can't block, then its easy to use the side-dash to move away. ANd if he just decides to pwn Kite, then he could just whip out his guns and start shooting the hell out of him.

Are you still arguing over the entirely different combat system? Good god. I could point out more, but you're just going to pick out even sillier arguments.

ANd it takes a lot of forms- Aura, Bracelet, Haseo Xth form, different Bracelet, another Bracelet (1st one, after killing Morganna, LoTB), a book to give you a bracelet

Aura is not the Key of the Twilight, nor is the Twilight Bracelet ~ Daybreak or Shugo's pathetic version of the Bracelet because non of them meet its definition. As Ovan said the Key of the Twilight is an abstract definition of "The Truth". In a sense anyone can attain it, but only Kite and Haseo have. Kite got "the" truth because his bracelet gave him the means to fight a supposedly invincible god. Haseo's truth is that by gaining Xth Form he attained a perfect merging with Skeith, and they truly became one.

so Cubia is just there as long as one gives off sufficent energy to wake it up (DDing Skeith and Ovans Rebirth (he said the Epitaphs were the Key, and all their powers together in Skeith activate Rebirth) are what cause Cubia to wake up.

Ovan's Rebirth had absolutely nothing to do with Cubia. It was just a last resort to purge all AIDA. Its in the principle of the Epitaphs that the Rebirth comes last, much like Kite needed to kill Corbenik last to truly defeat Morganna. Ovan needed all Epitaphs before he could activate the the Rebirth, which is why he manipulated Haseo to gathering them all.

Get your facts straight.

[SoraTheSin]

Fragments.beta i like how you actually have thought out some of these ideas.

Considering the difference between versions i can see how Kites abilities would seem out of date and slow compared to Haseos, but thats exactly why. They're from different versions! Kites abilities ARE out of date!

People like Mr. Penguin apparently don't think of these things. I don't mean to offend you FairyPenguin but it's good if you think before you post.

[ I still believe there's no answer to this question as of yet, and anything anyone posts is purely opinion and shouldn't be taken so seriously. Quit trying to look for an answer in a one-sided fight. We all know right now no matter how much we hope to deny it that Haseo would win in the new battle system. ]

[Fragments.beta]

Fragments.beta i like how you actually have thought out some of these ideas.

Considering the difference between versions i can see how Kites abilities would seem out of date and slow compared to Haseos, but thats exactly why. They're from different versions! Kites abilities ARE out of date!

People like Mr. Penguin apparently don't think of these things. I don't mean to offend you FairyPenguin but it's good if you think before you post.

[ I still believe there's no answer to this question as of yet, and anything anyone posts is purely opinion and shouldn't be taken so seriously. Quit trying to look for an answer in a one-sided fight. We all know right now no matter how much we hope to deny it that Haseo would win in the new battle system. ]

You make a good solid point.

However in an MMORPG "outdated" does not necessarily mean "weaker". Believe me, I used to be a long-time player of World of Warcraft and serious extremes of "overpowered" and "underpowered" in the different classes happens during its early days. Quite often, when Blizzard balances these things can change. This like R:1 since many "exploits" would be almost ridiculous, though thats actually more credited to the bad game design since IMOQ is just a single-player game that pretends to be an MMORPG.

And if Azure Kite and Yowkow are any indication, an R:2 Twin Blade is more than capable of beating Haseo.

[Cruor]

I have to say Kite as Skeith does not actually help much Kite already beat him before and that was when Skeith actually used stronger magic attacks did not need Rengeki or special skills and only used 1 class to defeat all the Phases

[Erranty]

Lets take into account their Factual abilities, instead of personality. (althoug Fighting style should count) And Game version changes.
Kite:
Pros
Drain Heart (Able to target more than 1 person, and Haseo cant defend everyone. In GU used as a way to repair himself to full health.)

Spells were more powerful and LARGER in R1, meaning that it may break Haseo's guard anyway.

Phisical attacks were much stronger in R1 since timing didnt matter.

Kite beat Tsukasa's guardian as an ending bonus to Quarantine.

Kite has more friends than Haseo, (Lios can cut off someone's access or ban their account. Helba can break someone's computer or alter the parameters of the game. Wiseman is a good hacker and would probably be willing to take hostages. Marlo looks like a friking Demon for the scare factor. Piros is whipped for Kite more than Haseo because of their history. Aura ftw.)

CONS
Not completely up to date software wise.
Doesn't have much experience fighting other players.

Haseo:
Pros
Faster thanks to style upgrades.

Can change his style on the fly to suit his needs.

Transformation into Skeith.

Has the power of AIDA (Virus) to pump him up.

Has much experience fighting other players.

CONS
Has an actual person as an enemy instead of just a virus (Ovan).
Not many useful friends.

[Asyllum]

Kite has more friends than Haseo, (Lios can cut off someone's access or ban their account. Helba can break someone's computer or alter the parameters of the game. Wiseman is a good hacker and would probably be willing to take hostages. Marlo looks like a friking Demon for the scare factor. Piros is whipped for Kite more than Haseo because of their history. Aura ftw.)



Haseo:
CONS
Has an actual person as an enemy instead of just a virus (Ovan).
Not many useful friends.

i think haseo got Zelkova... who is a hacker also...
and well... yata as admin (even though Yata is less "powerful" than Lios)

(btw, i prefer Kite than Haseo, maybe because .hack//IMOQ is more difficult than .hack//GU)

[Erranty]

i think haseo got Zelkova... who is a hacker also...
and well... yata as admin (even though Yata is less "powerful" than Lios)

(btw, i prefer Kite than Haseo, maybe because .hack//IMOQ is more difficult than .hack//GU)

But I still doubt, EVEN COMBINED, that Zelkova or Yata could even touch Helba at hacking or fighting. And thens there's Sora... Not Haseo Sora, but Skeith's wand Sora... He's a crazy badass that was saved by Kite, and he could kick anyone's ass, even if we were doing R1 vs R2 with him, the only person that ever beat him was Morgana when he was stuck in her world with nowhere to run, and she had no substance, thats saying something.

[fepkk]

i am starting to think that the only solution to solve this problem(who is stronger) is to ask the creator of .Hack series about it and wait the answer. If anybody here has courage and his e-mail...

[Erranty]

or how about kite get helba to give him a 'SHOOP DA WOOP!' ability FTW. OVER 9000! (dmg)

[VenusShadowWarlock]

Meh...Haseo. Even though he was an @$$ at first, he's now one of my favorite video game heroes. ^_^