Coincidence... or not?

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A pyro is a person who has a psychological disorder that causes them to burn a lot of stuff [a pyromaniac...to be politically correct]....how is that related to nature? The fire?
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Kuukai wrote:
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adamgnome wrote:Subaru and Alberio's names have something in common aswell, but that doesn't mean they know eachother.
What's the commonality? That Subaru is the Japanese name for the Pleiades, and Albireo is the name of a mizar in Cygnus?
"Both are groups of stars"... I agree with his point though, the designers can only take names from so many places... Orca, Bear, Kite, and Elk are all animals and unrelated as no one's business...

Not to say I think this is just a coincidence, but it's not an unjustified way of thinking...
Yeah, there are an aweful lot of "Ring of Nibelung" (Epic Poem/Opera/Thing LotR was based on) in .hack// and a lot of those are pretty unrelated aswell.

Maybe the game creator was a just a fan? Although it probably a referance to Sora as well, since both are Twin Blades and PKers.
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Are they specifically from the Ring of Nibelung? All the ones I can think of are from general Norse mythology. Mai just knows them through Wagner's Siegfried (but then again isn't Balmung called Nothung in that version?)
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Rei_654 wrote:Excuse me, but in the Norse mythology version, I found that in the legends that became the base of 'Ring of the Nibelungs' Siegfried's sword is called 'Balmung.'
In Richard Wagner's 'Ring of the Nibelungs' Siegfried's sword is called 'Nothung.'

This may translate different in other languages, but as far as I can tell, this seems to be the case. In the early drafts, Richard Wagner called Siegfried's sword Balmung, but later, before the first opera was released, he quickly changed it to Nothung.

I'm sorry, but I didn't see a reason why.
Rei is correct, Balmung is one of the names given to the sword of Seigfried. Seig is said to have named himself after the bearer rather than the sword as a form of homage to his hero.

Wotan was the name given to the spear of the Aesir, or Gods. But these are the only references to the Ring of the Nibelung in .Hack.
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Oh, I thought Wotan was just another name for Odin, but that makes more sense to name a spear after. Gotta be damned confusing though...

*Thor, Odin, and Balder are in a battle*
Thor: "Baldr, hand me the Wotan"
Balder: "Which.. One..?"
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From what I can gather Gram was the name of Siegfried's sword in Nordic mythology; Balmung was the name of the sword in the Nibelungenlied; and Nothung was the name of the sword in The Ring of the Nibelung.

I have no clue why the sword has had so many different names, though.
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Rei_654 wrote:Oh, really? I read sme articles that said it was called 'Balmung' in Nordic mythology. I am so very sorry for misinforming you all. May I ask? What is 'Nibelungenlied?'
The Nibelungenlied is the Ring of the Nibelung...in a sense, its the original version.

The Nibelungenlied was derived from Nordic myth; Gram, Balmung, and Nothung are all the same sword.
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Heheh! I like you Rei! ^_^ Always apologising...

Yes, most myths and legends are interpreted in several ways, so its no surprise that there are several interpretations of the Ring of the Nibelung.
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Apologising for apologising? ^_^ Don't worry, I used to do that a lot myself, far less now I'm accustomed to this BBS.

Not necessarily translations, they can also be interpretations, the Greek god, Hades, was interpreted by the Romans as Pluto. Some people will take ideas and alter them, depending on their interpretation.
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Who's saying they're the same? Balmung and Sieg's name came from the same place because there was a connection, even if it's just a one-sided rivalry....
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jus b/c it didnt happen once duznt mean it cant
and that whole basho heseo thing makes sense
at least i think it duz
which would connect haseo to sora
making him lyk sora but bakwards
stalking and killing killers instead of innocents
gleh
confused myself just then
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