Philosophy debate of Religion, and Science

[AuraTwilight]

Baptism is a silly, pointless ritual. Assuming Christianity is valid, for a moment, what does a Baptism actually do? Apparently, it's necessary, or atleast recommended, for getting into Heaven, but why? What's the purpose of the damn thing.

If you're baptized as a baby, you somehow belong to God even though you didn't give consent.
If you're unbaptized as a baby and you die, you don't go to heaven like the first baby despite being exactly alike in every other meaningful way, including the fact that you didn't consciously accept or reject the baptism (though apparently the Pope said babies go to heaven anyway, so what's the point, now? Different subject though)

If you're baptized as an adult, you were probably already a believing Christian, so what benefit did you gain? A shower?
If you're not baptized as an adult, but you're still a believing Christian, what makes you different from that other asshole?

[nobodyknows]

Baptism is a silly, pointless ritual. Assuming Christianity is valid, for a moment, what does a Baptism actually do? Apparently, it's necessary, or atleast recommended, for getting into Heaven, but why? What's the purpose of the damn thing.

If you're baptized as a baby, you somehow belong to God even though you didn't give consent.
If you're unbaptized as a baby and you die, you don't go to heaven like the first baby despite being exactly alike in every other meaningful way, including the fact that you didn't consciously accept or reject the baptism (though apparently the Pope said babies go to heaven anyway, so what's the point, now? Different subject though)

If you're baptized as an adult, you were probably already a believing Christian, so what benefit did you gain? A shower?
If you're not baptized as an adult, but you're still a believing Christian, what makes you different from that other asshole?

This. Right here. /thread


I'd state my full opinion, but AT did it more thoroughly.. and in less words x:

[zaseo]

Perhaps going Scifi like, but do you believe people have seen aliens? Are they real, or is it a hoax? Not the best question.

[S1lentOp]

The closest thing humans have come to seeing aliens is NASA finding **** on Mars that kind of looks like the fossils of micro-organisms and methane and water.

[AuraTwilight]

SilentOp beat me to it. But to add on to what he said, I'm gonna say, before you ask your next question, that although humans haven't yet encountered aliens, doesn't mean they don't exist, given the vastness of the universe. Infact, I guarantee that life exists elsewhere in the universe due to statistical probability. Whether that life is more advanced, just advanced, less advanced, or even SAPIENT is totally unknowable.

[zaseo]

If life did exist out there I wonder how would they live. With the technology we have we can only explore so much of the solar system.

[AuraTwilight]

Ever read "Solaris"? Chances are if there's life out there in the universe, it's not going to be something so conveniently understandable like, say, a Vulcan, or whatever the hell Yoda is. It'd probably be something totally incomprehensible to a humanity that's never met aliens before, and if it's sentient, it may not be so in any way we can appreciate, such as the titular "Solaris", where the first alien life encountered in the novel's universe is a planet covered in an ocean...but the entire ocean is some sort of singular superconsciousness.

[Advent_Winter]

Just to add into the mix here with the alien topic. Why should we bother searching for other life out there? I prefer not caring about it, and just revert the focus back on us and the many problems WE'RE having here on Earth. Considering the fact that even we can't get along with our own kind, wouldn't it be potentially risky to find such said beings and possibly interact with them?

[AuraTwilight]

Just to add into the mix here with the alien topic. Why should we bother searching for other life out there?

Why not? Even aside from all the "Oh, superior aliens can help us" thing, being the only sentient race can be pretty lonely.

I prefer not caring about it, and just revert the focus back on us and the many problems WE'RE having here on Earth.

I think we can multitask, sweetie. Having a few stations broadcasting "ANYONE OUT THERE?" isn't holding back scientific research by decades or anything.

Considering the fact that even we can't get along with our own kind, wouldn't it be potentially risky to find such said beings and possibly interact with them?

Probably. But everything worth doing is risky.

[zaseo]

If you are a believer then what, and where do you think Heaven is, and like? What are the reasons for the other planets? What is the afterlife like before entering Heaven, or Hell?

[shugo_lover]

SilentOp beat me to it. But to add on to what he said, I'm gonna say, before you ask your next question, that although humans haven't yet encountered aliens, doesn't mean they don't exist, given the vastness of the universe. Infact, I guarantee that life exists elsewhere in the universe due to statistical probability. Whether that life is more advanced, just advanced, less advanced, or even SAPIENT is totally unknowable.

It only makes sense for there to be more life out there. If you think about it why would we be the only planet in this vast gianourmas universe with life on it?

[nobodyknows]

I've always thought that the center point of the universe could be holding some form of intelligent being that we have no idea about. Not saying it's god, but it quite
possibly could be. For now, I just call it the center of the universe ':x...

note; I'd find it pretty funny if the center of the universe turned out to have a 'bridge' to another universe - in which humans just like ourselves existed - and that those humans had colonised the area immediately around the center of the universe, while doing research on it...

[AuraTwilight]

If you are a believer then what, and where do you think Heaven is, and like? What are the reasons for the other planets? What is the afterlife like before entering Heaven, or Hell?

According to Christian canon, Heaven isn't anywhere in physical reality, but is "with God." Other planets where interpreted as stars in the Bible, so they would hold the same purpose as any other star (one of many Biblical screw-ups). There is no afterlife "before" Heaven or Hell.

I've always thought that the center point of the universe could be holding some form of intelligent being that we have no idea about. Not saying it's god, but it quite
possibly could be. For now, I just call it the center of the universe ':x...

There is no "center of the universe." Even if the universe isn't infinite in size, it's probably bounded in on itself like a sphere or something. Anyway, anything at this sort of center point would probably be a Supernova, or empty space, due to the physics of the Big Bang. The closest model to how the universe is most likely shaped similarly to a donut due to matter being pushed away from the initial point.

note; I'd find it pretty funny if the center of the universe turned out to have a 'bridge' to another universe - in which humans just like ourselves existed - and that those humans had colonised the area immediately around the center of the universe, while doing research on it...

Unless the center of the universe is a White Hole (which would explain a lot about the Big Bang), I doubt it. The physical models proposed for budding a child universe via wormholes always involve the passage-way closing off as the universe "buds" off. I also guarantee that any such beings wouldn't be humans in any way, due to the statistical unlikeliness of beings evolving into anything resembling the Homo Sapien a second time in a place with infinitely different environmental circumstances.

[_Tri-edge_]

What if there is not "one" universe, but many universes?. A multiverse?

Yes, I was watching The One, but I would like to know what you guys think about that philosophy.

[Azure Knight]

Are you asking about the idea of parallel universes, or universes totally different altogether?

[_Tri-edge_]

Are you asking about the idea of parallel universes, or universes totally different altogether?

Well, I think the movie portrayed parallel, but I'm thinking on the lines of COMPLETELY different universes. Is that possible?

[nobodyknows]

Are you asking about the idea of parallel universes, or universes totally different altogether?

Well, I think the movie portrayed parallel, but I'm thinking on the lines of COMPLETELY different universes. Is that possible?

anything's possible if you believe!!


*been aching to use that image since I returned here*

[Azure Knight]

Are you asking about the idea of parallel universes, or universes totally different altogether?

Well, I think the movie portrayed parallel, but I'm thinking on the lines of COMPLETELY different universes. Is that possible?

anything's possible if you believe!!


*been aching to use that image since I returned here*

Imaaaaaaaagination!

[shugo_lover]

I've always thought that the center point of the universe could be holding some form of intelligent being that we have no idea about. Not saying it's god, but it quite
possibly could be. For now, I just call it the center of the universe ':x...

note; I'd find it pretty funny if the center of the universe turned out to have a 'bridge' to another universe - in which humans just like ourselves existed - and that those humans had colonised the area immediately around the center of the universe, while doing research on it...

I bet that person in middle of the univrse is laughing at us right now.

Also I always thought things like the Big Bang and Evalution, to be a bunch of crap. I think we all crawled out of the ocean

[Azure Knight]

think we all crawled out of the ocean

That's... what evolution is...