Any Ideas? (A yugioh question)

[zaseo]

I duel with my friends sometimes, and I use dinosaurs in my deck. My favorite combo if I was to take 3000 damage from one attack is Inferno Tempest with Return from the Different Dimension, or Inferno Tempest then Heavy Storm,then to finish the duel off D.D.R Different Dimension Reincarnation to bring back Tyranno Infinity. If I get a new deck I would want a Earthbound Immortal with Magical Citadel of Endymion because its hard to destroy that field spell. Field barrier also helps with Earthbound Immortals.

[TheSorrow]

Now that i've finished other stuff, tiem to re-check this deck and see what can be added or removed o3o

Monsters: 23

Helios Duo Megistus
Hecatrice
D.D. Survivor x2
Shining Angel x2
Soul of Purity and Light
Herald of Orange Light
Witch of the black Forest x2
Gren Maju Da eiza
Helios – The Primordial Sun x2
Arcana force XXI the World
D.D. Assailant
Nova Summoner ( Super Rare!!! Dark Legends)
Banisher of the Radiance
Golden Homunculus
Dimensional Alchemist
D.D. Warrior Lady
Arcana Force 0 – The Fool
Honest(Edit: traded him at hobby club for many different cards. I'll put up what they were if you want me to.)
Athena

I either don't know how to use Arcana The Fool, or it's not just useful for this deck. Alright, it can't be destroyed by attack, that's cool, but it can't be changed to Defense, has 0 ATK, and so the only way you can avoid your life from being depleted is with the help of Book of Moon, a card which should be better spent for attacking enemies. And the ONLY way that it can be useful is if you get Tails when you Summon it and it gets to Defense Position...but, since it's effect only applies when being targetted, he'll still fall dead for Torrential Tribute or Lightning Vortex. That said, i'd say it's better to take it out and use Marshmallon instead...it provides pretty much the very same defense without relying on luck at all.

And do you find Hecatrice really that useful? I don't, and it can be such a dead draw. I'd recommend another Golden Homunculus instead of it.

Also, whenever you get Helios Trice Megistus, just add it to your deck like that. He'll be mostly summoned through it's own effect, so his high level doesn't matter much. If you REALLY think it'll make your deck heavy...then the only card you'd replace for it would be Arcana The World, and that one is better than Helios D: So, either add Trice Megistus without removing any other monster, or don't add it.

Oh, and now that i see your deck is more offensive with monsters rather than defensive, i wouldn't recommend Banisher of the Light much anymore. Instead of it, another Banisher of the Radiance would work better, maybe replacing Hecatrice (instead of the Homunculus), or a D.D. Survivor.

Spells: 14

Raregold Armor
Card Destruction
D.D.R. – Different Dimension Reincarnation
Soul Absorption
Dimensional Fissure x2
Mystical Space Typhoon
Mage Power
Brain Control
Big Bang Shot
Lightning Vortex
Soul Release
Enemy Controller
Valhalla, Hall Of The Fallen

Hmm....ಠ3ಠ

Too many equip cards, take out Big Bang Shot and add Luminous Spark. Luminous Spark will add the power of Big Bang Shot (actually, 100+ than it), and it'll benefit more than half your monsters at once. Card Destruction doesn't seem to be that good to your deck, i'd say Hand Destruction is alot better. And it seems that you like Soul Absorption, but your deck doesn't need it...in fact, what you deck really needs is a card such like Swords of Revealing Light. And maybe it would be interesting to see how the Gravekeeper's Servant/Dimensional Fissure combo will work in the deck....if it really works, then the card to be replaced for it would be either Enemy Controller, or Raregold Armor. As it looks like right now though, it's better to have those 2 cards instead of the servant.

Traps:10

Magic Jammer
Metalmorph
Sakuretsu Armor
Destruction jammer
Return from the Different Dimension
Karma Cut(edit replaced Karma cut with Mirror force. Is this ok?)
Shadow Spell
By Order of the Emperor
Macro Cosmos
D.D. Dynamite

Moar hmm....ಠ3ಠ

Why do you have By Order of the Emperor? Most monsters activate their effects by Special Summoning anyways, and in any case, that's why you have Herald of Orange Light and Destruction Jammer. The best replace you can find for that card is an amazing one called Solemn Judgment...now that is a "Serious Business" card, but it's great.

Now that you have Mirror Force, i'd say to take out the Sakuretsu Armor for a Dimensional Prison; it's pretty much the same, except it removes the card, and card removal = better for you. You have Honest now, which is way better than Metalmorph, and there's another very cool card you can add for your deck instead, Bottomless Trap Hole. The rest looks fine, though i think Shadow Spell could be removed too, maybe adding Karma Cut instead of it; after all, it's alot better to just outright remove the monster rather than stop it and decrease it's attack. Or a Torrential Tribute which is pretty much a staple your deck doesn't have. Shadow Spell is quite a good card though, it's just that those might be better.


So that's it :3 I'll just have to test the deck with the changes, but so far, it's looking quite good and i can see it putting up a good fight against very strong decks; it's main strategy now will be to remove lots of cards and either block the opponent from attacking your monsters, or destroying them with powerful cards XD

[Azalan]

i traded honest at a hobby league. So should I trade my friend for another one? or should I just do without? Also, the combo works better with Macro cosmos I found since dimensional fissure only works for monsters. Otherwise your opponent can still attack you. So should I get more than one macro cosmos?

[TheSorrow]

Maybe, but i think one Honest is all fine. You could replace it with Hecatrice if you wish...both Honest and Golden Homonculus provide a very surprising attack for the enemy, and way more than just that little bird that brings Sanctuary on the Sky and dies.

And no, Dimensional Fissure + Gravekeeper's Servant still blocks your opponent from sending a card to the graveyard and so from attacking, even if the next card is NOT a monster card. I checked the rulings of that card the moment you mentioned it posts ago, since i wasn't sure myself. Thing is, since the deck is face-down, there's no guarantee to know if the next card will be a monster or not; it's an unknown card, and there's no way to tell if it'll be sent to the graveyard or RFG, and the official rulings state that when it is unknown if a cost will be paid properly or not, then the cost cannot be paid and so, in this case, you can't declare an attack and risk your chance...the rulings just don't allow it to work that way. And this is EVEN in the case that you KNOW the next card will not be a monster card...like if you had a S/T card returned to the top of your deck, or you used an effect like Big Eye's to set it so the next card will be a S/T. In the terms of gameplay, as long as the deck is facedown, the game doesn't "know" what the next card will be, even if players do know....might seem stupid like this, but that's the way the game is. The only way you can attack under such combo is if Convulsion of Nature is active, in which case the deck is face-up, and if the next card is a S/T, then there's full guarantee of it and the gameplay accepts the next card as a possible cost for Gravekeeper's Servant, so it can be discarded to the graveyard with no problem.

You could get another Macro Cosmos if you want anyhow, as it's a pretty darn good card for your deck. Though you have alot of traps already...

[Azalan]

how about necroface?

[TheSorrow]

Not good simply for the mere reason that your "Fairy"-style deck wouldn't be able to support a Dark Zombie (or Fiend) like Necroface. It can end up affecting you as well too. A Macro Cosmos + Needle Worm combination would be better than Necroface, and i don't support using the worm either XP

[Azalan]

Well Necroface is still cool! It reminds me of a tentacle monster. Not that I would know about that sort of thing...necroface + DMG. Cough. A friend drew that once...it was ...disturbing.

[TheSorrow]

YAY BLACK ROSE DRAGON WAS LIMITED HAHA TAKE THAT ST00PID MASSIVE DESTROYER DRAGON I KNEW SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE WITH YOU YOU'RE THAT CHEAP CHEAPER THAN TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE AND DARK HOLE TOGETHER O333O!!!
...Then again, only one Black Rose Dragon is enough for every Extra Deck, but oh well, i'm happy it got somewhat pwned anyways >->'

Dark Strike Fighter is the first monster to have been banned right away like that, though it has the potential of Chaos Emperor Dragon or even Yata, and it's definetly the cheapest Synchro ever made...Stardust Dragon, Goyo Guardian and Black Rose Dragon are nothing in the face of a monster that can do a minimum of 4000 damage before the opponent reacts. Same with Crush Card Virus...it can combo with even a freaking Sangan found in every deck and destroys entire deck strategies in seconds, but i lol more at CCV as it was just released as a Rare card....the moment one of the most expensive cards ($200+ wtf) will finally be released cheap and easy to get, the moment it's banned and worth nothing. Just like Yata-Garasu, but i love the little crow.

Monster Reborn is now Forbidden, and instead we have Call of the Haunted back, the weakest of the original revival trio. And even weaker now, with Unlimited Breaker the Magical Warrior...3 living MSTs with very good stats and that will be aided even more by Spell Counter-adding Synchros. To this i say....what the hell. Seriously, Breaker is way too strong and thanks to priority it WILL destroy a S/T card or at the very least force the activation of some trap, in which case it "destroyed" it anyhow and freed space for your ace monsters.

And from what i can see, since September 1st the game will stop being a TCG where the best and most powerful deck was the one full of tuners and strategies to see which player managed to summon the most Synchros the most and players just played with themselves without ever minding the opponent at all. Cold Wave and Solemn Judgement restricted to one, Synchro Cat strategy MURDERED with Summoner Monk and Rescue Cat to 1, and One for One and Blackwing - Gale also reduced to 1 are a lowblow to Synchro strategies in general, and as a "bonus", Demise King of Armaggedon has been Limited too, preventing more OHKOs with it. And to counter that and give more life to other decks, there's already Unlimited Breaker, along with D.D. Warrior Lady, Raiza and Fissure, Semi-Limited Chaos Sorcerer and Mezuki...and though Semi-Limited Bottomless Trap Hole and Unlimited Destiny Draw make no sense for this, i suppose it's the way to balance things out too, and either way, i'm so going to love how stupid Synchro summoning will finally be stopped and Zombies and Lightswords will rule the place....at least until new cards and strategies come out that revive the OTK strategies or make an even stronger deck XD

Just my small little comment review thingy about the new Forbidden/Limited list to apply since September 1st, which i felt like saying and overall i'm very content with this new list o3o My Water deck will be OWNED but hopefully with the help of Dark Bribe, something like Divine Wrath, and Chacu Challhua, i'll live.

[Azalan]

you'll live until you duel and someone goes LOL Power tool dragon LOL Goyo guardian LOL Red Dragon Archfiend(which I got today ) LoL Helios trice Megistus. I WIN YOU LOSE HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!! But seriously, I hate synchros and lightsworns. They are annoying the only reason I have arcanite magician is from a pack and red-dragon archfiend because it looks cool. Also, whats the bid deal about Assault mode? I mean assault mode activate is cool and all but...why? Why go through all the trouble of synchroing, then having to synchro again? It seems like a waste of time to me.

[TheSorrow]

At least that combo will be harder to pull and easier to interrupt this time...somewhat. At least, none of those Synchros has the chance to bypass Tornado Wall, and soon, Chacu Challhua. And with a Solemn or Black Horn ready for Black Rose that problem is solved and i don't have to worry about another suddenly coming out XD

And Assault Mode is just something to increase the power of Synchros and add more cards to your deck...they can be effective and deadly, but i actually see it kinda hard to pull an Assault Mode combo easily, and the Synchro itself is already strong as it is. I will have to compare it with Sorcerer of Dark Magic, Red Eyes Darkness Dragon, or even Ocean Dragon Lord - Neo Daedalus (which i once had in my deck)...sure, they can be deadly and way more powerful and all, but they're hard to pull, and their effects won't really make up for times when the card is a dead draw plus they'll be stopped easily anyways. An advantage that the Assault Modes have, however, is that they can summon the Synchro back when destroyed, but still, you need a good and stable strategy and nice luck to make it all sucessful..and hope that when it is, it ends up in a victory duel for you XD

[Azalan]

So in short, the synchros are basiacally a thorn in the side? Speaking on synchros does this deck need a road warrior? He's a synchro and his effect could get d.d. survivor on the field quicker.

[TheSorrow]

Synchros are something i hate. F*ck you Upper Deck Entertainment and your idea of making the game 10 times faster and promote OHKOs ALL OVER :X

And your deck doesn't need Road Warrior nor it's quite useful at all. First, you need Road Synchron for the Synchro summon, who is a lv4 Light monster with 1600ATK...not bad, but doesn't help to your removal strategy. Then, you'll need either 2 Lv2 monsters or 1 Lv1 and 1 Lv3 monster for the Synchro Summon (it requires 1 Road Synchron and 2 Non-Tuner monsters), and you'll need quite some luck to get all 3 monsters on the field. And finally, Road Warrior summons a Lv2 or lower (lol Lv1) Warrior or Machine monster...and D.D. Survivor is Lv4 >-> So, even with all the complications you'd have to summon it, in the end, it would fail to serve the purpose you wanted it for.

If you want Synchros though, just use the Herald of Orange Light and add several Synchros of different levels, and while you can, summon one of a corresponding level. I don't recommend Synchros at all for your Fairy/Removal deck though....not for my hate of them, but because your deck is a non-Synchro one and even Stardust Dragon wouldn't work (you couldn't send it to the Graveyard), so instead of helping your deck, it'll make you sacrifice helpful monsters for monsters that'll do more harm to yourself than to the enemy.

[Azalan]

alrighty so the synchro monster is a bad idea. How about a third d.d survivor till I get another honest?

[TheSorrow]

...Have you considered the suggestions i've made in my last posts? Because if you listened to them, you'd see how there's no need for D.D. Survivor or another Honest...in fact, i think you have lots of D.D. Survivors already XD Yours is a Fairy/Helios deck, aimed to Light support...Dark just doesn't fit in correctly, and D.D. Survivor is more like a little extra than a card you need and the more the better. Your priorities with monsters, IMO, should be Marshmallon and Banisher of the Radiance.

[Azalan]

I have considered the answers. I just post a new idea here when I have it. On that note. Even though synchros don't work. Is Ancient Fairy Dragon out of the question? Also, should I add in horn of heaven? Since I can't seem to get my hands on a dimensional prison?

[TheSorrow]

Even though synchros don't work. Is Ancient Fairy Dragon out of the question?

If you're going to add Synchros, Ancient Fairy Dragon is a must to have. Otherwise, you know the answer...D: You might try using a few Synchros, since after all, you have Herald of Orange Light, and you could easily add Chaos-End Master, for it's a powerful Light monster as well as a Tuner. Just don't focus your deck in summoning them, and only do so if you have the chance and have no other option left.

Also, should I add in horn of heaven? Since I can't seem to get my hands on a dimensional prison

...I'd say Horn of Heaven is harder to get than Dimensional Prison XD Dimensional Prison is a card your deck would really need though, but as a replacement, i guess you should consider Horn of Heaven. Still, Black Horn of Heaven would be even better for such case...Horn of Heaven itself forces a discard, while it's Black "version" is free, and although it'll only negate Special Summons, most things you'd have to worry about are all Special Summons (Synchros, Dark Armed Dragon, Judgment Dragon...)

[Azalan]

I was thinking of working on another deck Idea I had too. Is it ok if we use this same thread? or should I start a new one? The idea I had was a Arcana force deck that also had light monsters in it and abused Athena's effect of hitting your opponent for 600 damage each time a fairy card is summoned. Also with her ability to summon light monsters from the grave, do you think its a good idea for a deck? If so, I'll post the list later.

[TheSorrow]

I was thinking of working on another deck Idea I had too. Is it ok if we use this same thread? or should I start a new one? The idea I had was a Arcana force deck that also had light monsters in it and abused Athena's effect of hitting your opponent for 600 damage each time a fairy card is summoned. Also with her ability to summon light monsters from the grave, do you think its a good idea for a deck? If so, I'll post the list later.

I suppose it's ok to just post it here...i mean, it's your topic so at certain point you can decide what to talk about in here and what not, and it's still a Yugioh decks talking so it fits correctly for the topic and there's no need to create another one XD

Now on the deck, it sounds similar to your Fairy/Helios deck, and i'm sure you'll end up re-using like half the cards, and overall it sounds like a good idea for a deck. I'll have to see later the deck list, and i don't know the Arcana Force cards that much so i'll have to see how they work together and all, but yeah, in general, it sounds like a good idea for a deck :P

[Azalan]

Actually Sorrow, I've got this earthbound immortal rfg deck I've set up. When my mom gets home I'll post the list since my deck is in my car which is at the cafe right now, but it has 4 out of the 7 earthbound immortals =p

It's got earthbound immortal cisullu, earthbound immortal ascillu Piscu, Earthbound immortal Chahu Challuha and earthbound immortal Rirora Rosqua(spelling may be wrong but I still have him.)

I've also got a fairy synchro deck I've put together when i get to the beach I can put up that deck list. So when my mom gets home we can start working on the earthbound immortal rfg deck! I've dueled a few people with it and I have to say it kicks all kinds of rear. So how have you been sorrow, It's been along time since I've been on the forums. School has kept me busy, so have there been any major updates?

[TheSorrow]

Earthbound Immortals? Nice :P I use one in my Water deck...Chacu Challhua or whatever it is, and even though it's hard to summon and somewhat easy to destroy, it's CHEAP and VERY EFFECTIVE for my deck...it's almost like that card was meant specifically for my deck XD!! I'll be interesed in seeing that deck list...i know how the Immortals can work, but a deck based fully on them? And that can actually kick ass and not stall and lose because of so many Immortals in one deck? I have to see that XD

How i've been? Depends, but overall, suffering from the pressure and difficult of the hardest semester i've had in university and in my whole life, being the very first time in my life in which i had to work alot and study all on my own will to BARELY pass some subjects, along with other problems concerning my life that just added to the stress. I'm at vacations starting at this very day though, so things will get more relaxing, plus it hasn't been all that bad for me, just very stressing.

I haven't really had time to check on Yugioh, because of work and all, but my bro has constantly been checking updates and news and everything (if i like the card game, he's OBSESSED with it XD i go to tournaments every once and buy cards every once too...he goes to tournaments EVERY WEEKEND and spends almost all his money on it XD), and so when it comes to news regarding YGO, there's been a new booster released, Ancient Prophecy i think, with nice cards for many strategies. And, the "legal version" of Obelisk The Tormentor has been released...an effect monster whose summoning can't be negated or responsed to by any card. And it also has the "Raigeki" effect by the cost of sacrificing 2 monsters, but i find the "lol i be summoned and u can only cry" effect to be way more effective...no Solemn, Horn of Heaven, Bottomless Trap Hole, Torrential Tribute, not even the effect of a Sangan you tributed might be activated XD