Balmungs LVL

silabus · Post by **silabus** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:03 pm

Maybe it wasnt that powerfull

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:08 pm

Are you kidding? The original One Sin was the most powerful monster in the history of Za Warudo.

chosenofmana7 · Post by **chosenofmana7** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:18 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Are you kidding? The original One Sin was the most powerful monster in the history of Za Warudo.

It may have been the stratgey that was hard, not the power... If its invincable to everything but its current type maybe it wasn't displayed so ppl would have to figure it out on their own. Then a level 50 could beat the one sin with good reasoning.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:06 pm

No, they couldn't. The One Sin was designed so that two people, and only two people (no more, no less) could defeat it.

Death_hacker · Post by **Death_hacker** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:28 pm

Kuukai wrote:Orca was eternally at level 50, so I think we can rule out the decay explanation. Also, because Balmung is only 10 levels higher after three games, we can probably safely assume that it's all just for the sake of balancing. I mean, look at Kuhn. He was playing R:2 since it started, is a founder of the largest guild in the game, and he's level like, nothing, when you get him...

dont forget he is an Epitaph user and remember Haseo went from level 133(or so) backt one. Adia may have done the same thing not sure why Kuukai did Spoilers since Vol 2 is coming out but dont want to be rude.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:31 am

Nothing happened to Kuhn to lower his level.
That's a fact.

TheEnigma · Post by **TheEnigma** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:55 pm

Kuhn's current character was a low level to start because, remember wat gaspard and silabus said, their guild was created to help people, not raise levels.

Death_hacker · Post by **Death_hacker** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:32 pm

TheEnigma wrote:Kuhn's current character was a low level to start because, remember wat gaspard and silabus said, their guild was created to help people, not raise levels.

but you still have that fact he helpped make kestrel and they level up.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:08 pm

Death_hacker wrote:
TheEnigma wrote:Kuhn's current character was a low level to start because, remember wat gaspard and silabus said, their guild was created to help people, not raise levels.
but you still have that fact he helpped make kestrel and they level up.

It's for gaming purposes. .hack is already so easy, if you started off with a level 60 Kuhn then it would be way too easy. Also, Bordeaux and her buddies are high level Kestrel PKs. I doubt being 20 something is high leveled.

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:36 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:The One Sin was designed so that two people, and only two people (no more, no less) could defeat it.

Not exactly. One person couldn't do it, since they wouldn't be able to manage the necessary timing of their attacks. Three could, but wouldn't have any real advantage over two, and would likely have a much harder time figuring out what was going on in order to come up with the necessary tactics.

silabus · Post by **silabus** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:40 pm

well i want all of you to remember 60 and 50 are high lvls and the lvl ismt the only important thing... they must have powerful weapons and a great stats...

Marioshinobi · Post by **Marioshinobi** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:23 am

Well perhaps Orca and Balmung were the first who actually killed the One Sin when it came out in the game itself, it's an event right? So maybe they were the only good and fast ones that cut through and beat it than the rest.

The high levels propably didn't care and the low levels were either beginners or gave up, Orca and Balmung are good friends so they were propably the most determined.

Also, One Sin is still AI and I think it will be easy to defeat if you use teamwork.

Hell I let Pai and Kuhn fight Kite on their own and it worked fine actually, they healed eachother and etc when Kite was pwning, it was actually quite amusing XD

Avatar Skeith · Post by **Avatar Skeith** » Tue May 01, 2007 7:50 am

so thats what Ovans level was always wanted to know what level he was.

silabus · Post by **silabus** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:11 am

Avatar Skeith wrote:so thats what Ovans level was always wanted to know what level he was.

I had say it already ,read all the thread

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue May 01, 2007 4:43 pm

Well perhaps Orca and Balmung were the first who actually killed the One Sin when it came out in the game itself, it's an event right? So maybe they were the only good and fast ones that cut through and beat it than the rest.

They were the ONLY ones to beat One Sin. Fact.

Also, One Sin is still AI

One Sin isn't an AI.

Marioshinobi · Post by **Marioshinobi** » Tue May 01, 2007 5:22 pm

Read the whole thing, I said they were the only ones who beat it first when it came out.

I already know they killed it and it's a fact, why else give them the title and balmung wings?I wasn't saying they didn't beat it, simply stating that they were the fasted people to do so =.=

Also, I doubt the One Sin was controlled by a character. So I would assume it has an AI like all the other monsters, even in vol 2 it's gonna reappear and yet it's still AI. Program controlled=Attack,Defend,Attack,Heal,Attack.

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:51 pm

Marioshinobi wrote:Also, I doubt the One Sin was controlled by a character. So I would assume it has an AI like all the other monsters, even in vol 2 it's gonna reappear and yet it's still AI. Program controlled=Attack,Defend,Attack,Heal,Attack.

It was a perfectly ordinary preprogrammed NPC. No artificial intelligence involved.

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:19 pm

Shinsou Wotan wrote:
Marioshinobi wrote:Also, I doubt the One Sin was controlled by a character. So I would assume it has an AI like all the other monsters, even in vol 2 it's gonna reappear and yet it's still AI. Program controlled=Attack,Defend,Attack,Heal,Attack.
It was a perfectly ordinary preprogrammed NPC. No artificial intelligence involved.

Well, every NPC that fights has a programmed AI, just that the AI side doesn't act on its own.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed May 02, 2007 4:49 pm

Read the whole thing, I said they were the only ones who beat it first when it came out.

I already know they killed it and it's a fact, why else give them the title and balmung wings?I wasn't saying they didn't beat it, simply stating that they were the fasted people to do so =.=

And I'm saying they're the only ones who beat it at all, no matter being the fastest. It was a one-time only thing. (Well, until R:2)

Responding to a situation with a certain response *even if preprogrammed* is a form of AI. Very primitive AI, but AI nonetheless.

Not by .hack definition, and not by definition of any serious, competent AI researcher.