Zelkova

silabus · Post by **silabus** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:24 am

Can you put here the Zelkova's status ,because if she's really Helba ,her character must be hacked

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:36 am

Isn't the rumor that
Taihaku is Balmung?
And I thought that was confirmed.

FlickerHaseo · Post by **FlickerHaseo** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:46 am

Oy... Zelkova level 150, with 9,999,999 gp I think or something like that... MAX GP?! so Keyaki musta haxd.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:58 am

Infinite GP and Potions, really. And it's really obvious he's a hacker, or atleast a Vagrant AI, if he's the ruler of Net Slum.

However, I don't think a big, staunchy woman like Helba would remind Kaede of her dead son, and I highly doubt Zelkova's personality is a front. It seems too real to me.

FlickerHaseo · Post by **FlickerHaseo** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:01 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Infinite GP and Potions, really. And it's really obvious he's a hacker, or atleast a Vagrant AI, if he's the ruler of Net Slum.

However, I don't think a big, staunchy woman like Helba would remind Kaede of her dead son, and I highly doubt Zelkova's personality is a front. It seems too real to me.

Yup, well, we still don't know. But we know this:

Helba is ruler of net slum during volumes infection-quarentine
Keyaki is ruler of Net Slum during volumes Rebirth-At Walking Distance

Can that mean something? A connection between Keyaki and Helba?!

Dualreact · Post by **Dualreact** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:32 pm

yawn
9,999,999 GP.
50 full hp heal items
50 full sp heal items.
and he/she/it got a custom scythe too.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:58 pm

...or Helba simply grew out of The World like everyone else did. Then she picked a successor to continue the ruling of Net Slum. My guess is that Zelkova is affiliated with Helba, either as a partner or her son.

haseoskeith · Post by **haseoskeith** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:06 pm

Indeed, Zelkova is a damn prodigy, although the infinite GP isn't true.

It starts off as a max, but while he keeps restocking those precious items, his GP comes down... I already made him spend like 100,000 on packs of 5/6 items... Yeah, I use him a lot... And if you have some good items you don't need, you can always trade with him for some of his items

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:08 pm

I doubt Helba would quit The World,because then she would have to go do somethign else to pass the time,and knowing her that would mean WoW or Rs is in for a big suprise,or there would be one big cyber junkie out there.

silabus · Post by **silabus** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:42 pm

if you think all the teories ygiveme are all things that can say Zelkova is Helba

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:58 pm

I doubt Helba would quit The World,because then she would have to go do somethign else to pass the time,and knowing her that would mean WoW or Rs is in for a big suprise,or there would be one big cyber junkie out there.

She could retire from hacking entirely in order to take care of her son (if that's indeed Keyaki) or maybe Helba quit to be a housewife (to LIOS ^_^)

As for Zelkova-kun, I think he's a Vagrant AI, myself. It'd explain his almost contradictory code of Anti-PK and pro-hacking ethics, his easy, almost superhuman sense of absolute forgiveness, his charisma, his hacking skills and intelligence, his relationship with Kaede, and his power over Net Slum.

Fallen Guardion · Post by **Fallen Guardion** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:02 pm

As for Zelkova-kun, I think he's a Vagrant AI, myself. It'd explain his almost contradictory code of Anti-PK and pro-hacking ethics, his easy, almost superhuman sense of absolute forgiveness, his charisma, his hacking skills and intelligence, his relationship with Kaede, and his power over Net Slum.

That's what I thought, but if he was would "Project Folder" have logged him out?
Just curious. Cause if not, then that would be the only hinder I can think of to the Vagrant AI theory.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:45 pm

Wait, Helba is married to Lios?

Red Frost · Post by **Red Frost** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:55 pm

Zer0 wrote:Not that I'm doubting you guys, but where is it stated that Helba has a son?

They were just speculating, I haven't heard that either... even though I try to stray away from spoilers. I think it'd be kinda cute, Zelkova's mommy is Helba. AWWWW!!! And Kite's the daddy... (Lol) No wait, Balmung! (I'll stop...)

Actually, do we even know anything about Helba? Like gender or age? Oh, maybe she quit hacking The World and works for some big ass computer company (Maybe CCCorp)?

Red Frost · Post by **Red Frost** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:12 pm

Zer0 wrote:
Red Frost wrote:works for some big ass computer company (Maybe CCCorp)?
I think Helba would rather kill herself than work with those pigheads.

Well, if she did work for them, she would have some inside info... Maybe, that's how Haseo gets his Xth form. Maybe Dual Gunner was a class that was still in developmental stages, and she gave it to him early and tweaked it so it would work... Because Haseo gets his Xth from Hackers, right? I really don't know, I'm just guessing here... I've only played Rebirth...

Still, Helba being Zelkova's mom wouldn't be too far off, would it? Mistral and her daughter are both very similar in the game. They have a love for rare items.

silabus · Post by **silabus** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:36 pm

there has been rumors that Kaoru Asaba from liminality is really Helba

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:22 pm

That's what I thought, but if he was would "Project Folder" have logged him out?
Just curious. Cause if not, then that would be the only hinder I can think of to the Vagrant AI theory.

It showed him being logged out, but heck, even Mia logged out of Za Warudo.

Not that I'm doubting you guys, but where is it stated that Helba has a son?

Wait, Helba is married to Lios?

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Actually, do we even know anything about Helba? Like gender or age? Oh, maybe she quit hacking The World and works for some big ass computer company (Maybe CCCorp)?

Nope. Nothing.

I think Helba would rather kill herself than work with those pigheads.

Heh. Someone hasn't read Analysis.

Well, if she did work for them, she would have some inside info... Maybe, that's how Haseo gets his Xth form. Maybe Dual Gunner was a class that was still in developmental stages, and she gave it to him early and tweaked it so it would work... Because Haseo gets his Xth from Hackers, right? I really don't know, I'm just guessing here... I've only played Rebirth...

Dual Gunner was a class designed by the Hackers, shaped in coordinance with Skeith's power.

Basically, It's the Key of the Twilight.

there has been rumors that Kaoru Asaba from liminality is really Helba

Stupid rumors, at that.

Jigoku-no-Yamimaru · Post by **Jigoku-no-Yamimaru** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:51 pm

Red Frost wrote:
Zer0 wrote:
Red Frost wrote:works for some big ass computer company (Maybe CCCorp)?
I think Helba would rather kill herself than work with those pigheads.
Well, if she did work for them, she would have some inside info... Maybe, that's how Haseo gets his Xth form. Maybe Dual Gunner was a class that was still in developmental stages, and she gave it to him early and tweaked it so it would work... Because Haseo gets his Xth from Hackers, right? I really don't know, I'm just guessing here... I've only played Rebirth...

Still, Helba being Zelkova's mom wouldn't be too far off, would it? Mistral and her daughter are both very similar in the game. They have a love for rare items.

You just used a bastardization of my theory on how the hackers got Haseo's Xth Form done in a couple of hours.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:13 pm

I thought it wasn't even known if Helba was female IRL or even if she was one person or many playing the same character.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:03 am

Red Frost wrote:
Zer0 wrote:Not that I'm doubting you guys, but where is it stated that Helba has a son?
They were just speculating, I haven't heard that either... even though I try to stray away from spoilers. I think it'd be kinda cute, Zelkova's mommy is Helba. AWWWW!!! And Kite's the daddy... (Lol) No wait, Balmung! (I'll stop...)

Actually, do we even know anything about Helba? Like gender or age? Oh, maybe she quit hacking The World and works for some big ass computer company (Maybe CCCorp)?

We wouldn't have to deal with AIDA and other such thing without intel if that was true.
Plus Helba never really like CCcopr,so I doubt that she would work for them,and with the fact that they still cover up what happens in the World proves she dosn't work there.