Why haseo in te Forest of Pain...

Tenji · Post by **Tenji** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:57 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Erm...

Tri-Edge doesn't see Epitaph Users as errors in the system, or he'd have attacked Atoli, Pi, Yata, Kuhn, etc.

I said abnormalities not errors (not the same to me)... but i guess you are right... The phases are part of the sistem after all... i included them because if he is based on Kite he might see them as enemies anyway.

I try to spoil myself as less as posible, so i don´t even peek on vol 2 threads or related stuff and the info about him in vol 1 is not what you can call "instructive"...

But you are right... the phases are not errors nor abnomalities.

kieferbrennan · Post by **kieferbrennan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:22 pm

If they aren't errors or abnormalities than what are they? They aren't a normal part of the game, remember that the original 8 phases were made by Morganna to destroy Aura before unlocking her true potential. As for why Tri-edge didn't attack Yata,Kuhn, Pi etc. I would probably say that they were going to be attacked sometime. That's assuming of course that AK is a security AI. If he is than why did AK attack Shino or Phyllo in ROOTS? And, don't forget that in Vol.1 you see Tri-edge DD an innocent every-day player. I think he's simply a wandering AI like Harold or Aura, although he obviously doesn't have their powers, at least not to that great of an extent.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:48 pm

The Epitaphs are part of the system. Morganna created them out of HER data, and she was the operating system of Za Warudo. Furthermore, Azure Kite didn't attack Shino, and he mistook Phyllo for Ovan. As for Azure Kite Data Draining someone in the first volume of GU, I personally believe that video was fabricated.

Tenji · Post by **Tenji** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:48 pm

Actually Morgana didn´t create the phases.
The phases correct function and the way Morgana used them are two diferent things.
The Herald System is a system with contradictions... the phases where part of the System. They where supoused to recolect information about the players´s emotions in "the world".
That data was needed to give birth to Aura.
When Morgana took over she used the phases the way we all know.
So the phases are not abnormalities but a realy a part of the game (not the world from the CC corp but from the original "fragment" version made by Herald)

When "Tri-edge" attacked Phyllo he was looking for Ovan... (you can see Ovan leaving just before Phyllo arrives) he just was late.
And for Shino you don´t actually see "Tri-edge" Pking her... he was there offcourse but why was Shino there? do you remember? yup, she got a mail from Ovan

And when Haseo fights "tri-edge" at the begining of Rebirth... you can see Ovan just after haseo is data drained so... that´s why "Tri-edge" was there...

And for the regular player atack... well in my opinion he was either infected by an AIDA and was dangerous. (i´ve already explained what´s Azure Kite function to me) or the video, like AuraTwilight said, is fake.

Ravaan · Post by **Ravaan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:17 pm

Actually Morganna did create the phases, just as AT said, out of her own data...they were not created to gather emotion data, that's just what the Liminality easter eggs say...

Also, I thought that Azure Kite attacked that player because he was infected with Midori's illness

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:18 pm

Actually Morgana didn´t create the phases.

Yes she did.

The phases correct function and the way Morgana used them are two diferent things.
The Herald System is a system with contradictions... the phases where part of the System. They where supoused to recolect information about the players´s emotions in "the world".

No they weren't. The Liminality Secrets are wrong.

kieferbrennan · Post by **kieferbrennan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:21 pm

If that's the case then what are the phases specific purpose in "the world"?

Dimitri · Post by **Dimitri** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:23 pm

Their purpose in R1 was to obey Morgonna and carry out her will (AKA capture Aura). I guess they were Morgonna actually. In R2 their role was to cause the creation of the Morgonna factor again (basically bring Morgonna back) to create a new Aura.

kieferbrennan · Post by **kieferbrennan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:25 pm

If their entire purpose was to capture Aura than what was the point of creating a new one?

Dimitri · Post by **Dimitri** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:26 pm

Dimitri wrote:In R2 their role was to cause the creation of the Morgonna factor again (basically bring Morgonna back) to create a new Aura.

>_< Finish reading what I wrote before you ask another question. >_<

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:37 pm

The Phases ARE Morganna. They're like parts of her brain. Without all of them, you don't have the complete Morganna.

kieferbrennan · Post by **kieferbrennan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:41 pm

Dimitri wrote:
Dimitri wrote:In R2 their role was to cause the creation of the Morgonna factor again (basically bring Morgonna back) to create a new Aura.
>_< Finish reading what I wrote before you ask another question. >_<

1. sorry, I didn't see the R2.

2. If that's the case Auratwilight than what happened to Morganna now that the phases are back in their various epitaph users?

Tenji · Post by **Tenji** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:41 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
Actually Morgana didn´t create the phases.
Yes she did.

No.. they are part of the Herald System and so is Morgana. so "they" are a colateral effect of Herald´s miscalculations.
The where not created, they are Morgana.

AuraTwilight wrote:
The phases correct function and the way Morgana used them are two diferent things.
The Herald System is a system with contradictions... the phases where part of the System. They where supoused to recolect information about the players´s emotions in "the world".
No they weren't. The Liminality Secrets are wrong.

Yes they where... because that was Morgana´s function. to give birth to Aura. The phases are a fragmented Morgana mod gone. so they do have an original function in the system and that´s to help Morgana to give birth to Aura. (Morgana´s function)

kieferbrennan wrote:2. If that's the case Auratwilight than what happened to Morganna now that the phases are back in their various epitaph users?

Aura fused with Morgana at the end of Quarentine to be reborn as the ultimate A.I, a new god for "the world".
There is no Morgana anymore, The phases where collected for the CC corp when Aura disapeared... they where trying to create another one... one that could be controled, but failed.

Ravaan · Post by **Ravaan** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:51 pm

No, Morganna's purpose may have been to give birth to Aura, but that is not what the Phases were for. The Phases were created by Morganna to hunt down Aura, not gather information for her. As each Phase came into existence, the part of Morganna that it was made out of lost it's purpose in helping Aura be born.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:20 am

kieferbrennan wrote:2. If that's the case Auratwilight than what happened to Morganna now that the phases are back in their various epitaph users?

The Avatars had yet to fully become one yet. They are still seperated. In order to create Morganna, all the Epitaph Users will have to give their epitaphs to one Epitaph User. Kind of like how Haseo had 7 epitaphs in Volume 3. If Ovan gave Corbenik to Haseo, you would have Avatar Morganna.

Tenji · Post by **Tenji** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:44 am

Morgana is the phases ¬_¬
If Morgana doesn´t work as she should the phases won´t work in a correct way either.
-The phases where programed by Herald to help Morgana. (as a part of the Herlad System... they where part of Morgana)
-Morgana´s original function was to give birth to Aura. (logicaly the phases where supoused to help her with the task. they where like Morgana´s extensions)
-morgana´s original function was the phases original function.
-Morgana discovered that giving birth to Aura would mean suicide so she used the phases to prevent it. Morgana is a program that´s not working the way it should so all the programs that depends on her won´t work ok either.

Morgana did not create, she fragmented. She was god and god was the world itself... that´s the reason why every time you killed a part of Morgana you where destroying a part of the world.
No pourpouse would mean no existense, as Morgana discovered. So, if the phases exist is because they have been programed and they have a pourpouse: to obey Morgana, and Morgana´s original porpouse was? to give birth to Aura. (so originaly they where a part of that task)

The Herald system contradicted Itself and started a malfunction but in the end the phases fullfilled their original tasks (Aura learned from each experience) and so did Morgana (when she fused with Aura)... and even the players.

BTW aren´t we kinda "offtopic" ?

Dimitri · Post by **Dimitri** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:04 am

So basically:

Dimitri wrote:Their purpose in R1 was to obey Morgonna and carry out her will (AKA capture Aura). I guess they were Morgonna actually. In R2 their role was to cause the creation of the Morgonna factor again (basically bring Morgonna back) to create a new Aura.

which is exactly what I said about 10 posts ago, therefore the last posts have just been adding on to what I said in its simplified form >_< Therefore, next to worthless. >_<

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:39 pm

2. If that's the case Auratwilight than what happened to Morganna now that the phases are back in their various epitaph users?

Morganna has been dead for about 7 years.

o.. they are part of the Herald System and so is Morgana. so "they" are a colateral effect of Herald´s miscalculations.
The where not created, they are Morgana.

You dumbass, let me put it this way.

Harald created Za Warudo, and never planned Morganna or the Phases. But then, after reading the data being funneled into Aura, Za Warudo became a self-aware AI and called itself Morganna. Then Morganna converted her data into the Eight Phases so she could act physically. This is a CANON FACT supported by the Terminal Disc and the Analysis booklet, which has more authority than the Liminality Secrets, which don't even EXIST in the original Japanese versions.

Yes they where... because that was Morgana´s function. to give birth to Aura. The phases are a fragmented Morgana mod gone. so they do have an original function in the system and that´s to help Morgana to give birth to Aura. (Morgana´s function)

No, they don't. They're creations of Morganna and thus have no other role besides what Morganna gives them.

The Avatars had yet to fully become one yet. They are still seperated. In order to create Morganna, all the Epitaph Users will have to give their epitaphs to one Epitaph User. Kind of like how Haseo had 7 epitaphs in Volume 3. If Ovan gave Corbenik to Haseo, you would have Avatar Morganna.

That's one way, but it's not the only option. Amagi's idea was to have the Epitaph Users "link up" so that Morganna was connected through all eight PC's, just like the original Morganna was one unit despite being distributed among the different servers of Za Warudo.

-The phases where programed by Herald to help Morgana. (as a part of the Herlad System... they where part of Morgana)

Harald didn't make the Phases or Morganna. They were deviations from his original design.

Morgana did not create, she fragmented.

She's not fragmented, since she was still functioning as one being. Furthermore, fragmenting is the same as creating in Za Warudo's terminology.

No pourpouse would mean no existense, as Morgana discovered.

Not quite. It wasn't so much that she wouldn't have a purpose, but because Aura would have to kill her so she could take the throne.

Tenji · Post by **Tenji** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:26 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
You dumbass, let me put it this way.

Harald created Za Warudo, and never planned Morganna or the Phases. But then, after reading the data being funneled into Aura, Za Warudo became a self-aware AI and called itself Morganna.

That´s what i called a miscalculation.
Herald himself said he made a mistake... when Morgana (I´ll call it that way for short) became self aware of the limited pourpouse of her existence the program faced a contradiction and choosed selfpreservation.

AuraTwilight wrote:Then Morganna converted her data into the Eight Phases

That´s what i said... or at least i meant to.

AuraTwilight wrote:so she could act physically. This is a CANON FACT supported by the Terminal Disc and the Analysis booklet, which has more authority than the Liminality Secrets, which don't even EXIST in the original Japanese versions.

I don´t know what the liminality secrets are.
You could say i assumed the phases had a function or elase they would not exist...
a program that have no function is an error... and scince they are parts of morgana they can´t be errors.
Even so... like she "fragmented" "divided" or whatever after she "evolved" i guess you are right...
Morgana having an original pourpouse not necesary mean the phases had one scince they where created from an already corrupted Morgana though.

AuraTwilight wrote:
Morgana did not create, she fragmented.
She's not fragmented, since she was still functioning as one being. Furthermore, fragmenting is the same as creating in Za Warudo's terminology.

I called fragmented to the fact that she is divided into the 8 phases... so every time you killed one you where killing a part of her (and a part of the world) call that what you want. (even if she still functioned as one)
If fragmenting and creating are the same... our discussion is pointless ´cause we are saying (escentialy) the same thing.

AuraTwilight wrote:
No pourpouse would mean no existense, as Morgana discovered.
Not quite. It wasn't so much that she wouldn't have a purpose, but because Aura would have to kill her so she could take the throne.

With Aura´s existence Morgana´s existence wouldn´t realy have any meaning... Aura could do everything Morgana could and more... and we all know what happens to obsolet software (?)

Gundam_Alchemist · Post by **Gundam_Alchemist** » Thu May 17, 2007 3:20 pm

What lvl was Haseo when he entered the Forest of Pain? Didn't want to start a new thread just for this question.