Crackpot Theory About Keyaki

Bulletcatcher · Post by **Bulletcatcher** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:47 pm

TheSorrow wrote:He could've said that after the 3rd Network Crisis (the one in Vol. 3) appeared, then Haseo & co. did something, but the crisis was still on.
For example, after the crisis appeared, Haseo maybe fought Cubia or a very strong AIDA, but the crisis in The World (maybe odd glitches or something...like in Outbreak) was still up and growing.

Yep, that was the first part of my set of two options. >_>

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:38 pm

In the trailer he says, "The crisis in The World, has not disappeared, yet."

He is either referring to the AIDA not being defeated, or the problems in The World from the Twilight Incident.

Well duh, but anyone can make THAT observation. It's not like the problems of the World are exactly hidden from view. Besides, is it 100% confirmed that that's Zelkova? We don't actually see the speaker. Just hear him/her. Personally, I don't think it sounds like him.

MirageAtoli · Post by **MirageAtoli** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:05 pm

Kurana wrote:I just can't remember if she had any assistants other than Bith.

Kaz(u).

Even if Zelkova had information about previous events it doesn't mean he experienced them firsthand. He could be awfully darn good at networking. Heck, all he would have to do is sit down and talk to Empireo.

Annwyn · Post by **Annwyn** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:10 pm

Kazu was an assistant of Helba?

I don't remember hearing that at all... Where do you find this out?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:09 pm

He's not. But he did deliver "Helba Key" on her behalf. Though that was just Kazu filling in for Blackrose.

Annwyn · Post by **Annwyn** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:21 pm

Oh, now that makes sense. I thought MirageAtoli was trying to say he worked for Helba the way Bith did. My mistake. ^^;

Maive · Post by **Maive** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:32 am

I can see it now, Zelkova with a pirate patch, riding the floating net slum going "Yarr!"

My theory is that Helba was put to death.
And didn't Helba have a few assistants? Or at least associates?

ashlay · Post by **ashlay** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:23 pm

Maive wrote:I can see it now, Zelkova with a pirate patch, riding the floating net slum going "Yarr!"

My theory is that Helba was put to death.
And didn't Helba have a few assistants? Or at least associates?

you do mean "had her character deleted", right? 0_o

though now that I think about it, the RA plan failure and launch of R:2 might have done that anyway.....

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:48 pm

Even if Zelkova had information about previous events it doesn't mean he experienced them firsthand. He could be awfully darn good at networking. Heck, all he would have to do is sit down and talk to Empireo.

Indeed. Its not like you're gonna go all "OMFGDOTHACKERDOTHACKER!!!" everytime someone mentions something about the Twilight Incident (and if so...poor Onyx). In Rebirth it has been proven that there are people who know about the incident, even if they never played R:1 before. And, assuming that Zelkova has been playing the game for long enough to have max stats, its pretty logical that he has heard about the incident and the .hackers.

And back at the theory of saying the kiddy hacked his account, why the TSN never bothered about him??

ashlay · Post by **ashlay** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:52 pm

TheSorrow wrote:
Even if Zelkova had information about previous events it doesn't mean he experienced them firsthand. He could be awfully darn good at networking. Heck, all he would have to do is sit down and talk to Empireo.
Indeed. Its not like you're gonna go all "OMFGDOTHACKERDOTHACKER!!!" everytime someone mentions something about the Twilight Incident (and if so...poor Onyx). In Rebirth it has been proven that there are people who know about the incident, even if they never played R:1 before. And, assuming that Zelkova has been playing the game for long enough to have max stats, its pretty logical that he has heard about the incident and the .hackers.

And back at the theory of saying the kiddy hacked his account, why the TSN never bothered about him??

his hacked character isn't a threat to the system? even if not, I think its pretty clear from volume 1 that Keiyaki isn't infected by an AIDA.

and what is the ony thing that the Azure knights have actively gone after? AIDA. sure, kite DDs haseo, but even if haseo wasn't infected at the time, kite only showed up there becuase of Ovan. as long as keiyaki doesn't try to fight the azure knights when he ends up somewhere a powerful AIDA has been earlier (all highly unlikely), there's no reason for the Azures to fight him.

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:00 pm

ashlay wrote:
TheSorrow wrote:
Even if Zelkova had information about previous events it doesn't mean he experienced them firsthand. He could be awfully darn good at networking. Heck, all he would have to do is sit down and talk to Empireo.
Indeed. Its not like you're gonna go all "OMFGDOTHACKERDOTHACKER!!!" everytime someone mentions something about the Twilight Incident (and if so...poor Onyx). In Rebirth it has been proven that there are people who know about the incident, even if they never played R:1 before. And, assuming that Zelkova has been playing the game for long enough to have max stats, its pretty logical that he has heard about the incident and the .hackers.

And back at the theory of saying the kiddy hacked his account, why the TSN never bothered about him??
his hacked character isn't a threat to the system? even if not, I think its pretty clear from volume 1 that Keiyaki isn't infected by an AIDA.

and what is the ony thing that the Azure knights have actively gone after? AIDA. sure, kite DDs haseo, but even if haseo wasn't infected at the time, kite only showed up there becuase of Ovan. as long as keiyaki doesn't try to fight the azure knights when he ends up somewhere a powerful AIDA has been earlier (all highly unlikely), there's no reason for the Azures to fight him.

The TSN's purpose is to eliminate any abnomaly in the system, like AIDA or a simple illegal color modification. Sure, their main objective right now is AIDA for the great danger it holds, but if they detect any other error, they'll fight it as they were made to in the first place. If the video Yata showed to Haseo is showing AK DDing someone who had hacked his account, then what i'm saying has to be correct.
So, either Zelkova has been too lucky to avoid TSN, or he doesnt has his account hacked.

JamesBeardIV · Post by **JamesBeardIV** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:31 pm

Id say Helba is obliviously serving time for lewd act with a minor. Dont tell me Im the only one who noticed she seemed to have a thing for little underage boys...

Leveling and questing may explain his stats... but they dont explain Zelcova's headpiece. If you had no life you woulda learned the headpiece is odd in Vol.1

I kinda wonder if he might be another vagrant AI myself...

And you know... the three messed up NPC = TSN theory hasnt been proven fact yet from what I understand... and even if they are CC controlled, I really doubt they would be created with the tools and programming to data drain players. Expecially when they could just recreate delete sticks and ban books again. Which of coarse gives a good theory as to why they left Zelkova alone.

Maive wrote:I can see it now, Zelkova with a pirate patch, riding the floating net slum going "Yarr!"

My theory is that Helba was put to death.
And didn't Helba have a few assistants? Or at least associates?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:36 pm

My theory is that Helba was put to death.
And didn't Helba have a few assistants? Or at least associates?

I highly doubt she died, seeing as she's super duper badass. She has assistants and associates and stuff. Anyway, I just don't see her being put to death, being as she's a highly moral and ethical character and helped save both worlds and all. It's just not fair to her. Sure, she's a hacker, but it's because of that hacking that the entire AI race was allowed to prosper.

And back at the theory of saying the kiddy hacked his account, why the TSN never bothered about him??

The TSN system only goes after things that can cause coma's.

The TSN's purpose is to eliminate any abnomaly in the system, like AIDA or a simple illegal color modification. Sure, their main objective right now is AIDA for the great danger it holds, but if they detect any other error, they'll fight it as they were made to in the first place. If the video Yata showed to Haseo is showing AK DDing someone who had hacked his account, then what i'm saying has to be correct.
So, either Zelkova has been too lucky to avoid TSN, or he doesnt has his account hacked.

You can't comatize someone with an illegal color modification, thus they wouldn't care. And before everyone brings up Haseo's illegal class changes, let me remind you that Yata was worried that that class change would pose a danger to the players.

ashlay · Post by **ashlay** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:23 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
The TSN's purpose is to eliminate any abnomaly in the system, like AIDA or a simple illegal color modification. Sure, their main objective right now is AIDA for the great danger it holds, but if they detect any other error, they'll fight it as they were made to in the first place. If the video Yata showed to Haseo is showing AK DDing someone who had hacked his account, then what i'm saying has to be correct.
So, either Zelkova has been too lucky to avoid TSN, or he doesnt has his account hacked.
You can't comatize someone with an illegal color modification, thus they wouldn't care. And before everyone brings up Haseo's illegal class changes, let me remind you that Yata was worried that that class change would pose a danger to the players.

I still say he got infected by an AIDA back in roots. he gets the power he wants (yet it fails him, since he can't beat tri-edge), and he acts mentally unstable. but whatever.

point is, besides the point we don't actually know if the azure knights are the TSN system, we really can't go off what teh TSN system is supposed to do. besides the obvious point that CC corp lies endlessly, the TSN obviously didn't have control of the kite, balmung, and orca characters when it was first made. nor how the events that led to R:2 affected it. who knows how its programming has changed?

all we know for certain is that the azures go after AIDA. that's all we've ever seen them do in the present. and even with the video of kite DDing someone in vol 1, we don't know the specifics, or if yata was lying, or if it wasn't even real.

nothing has suggested the azure's would go DD someone for having something as simple as a character mod. ATs completely right.

Post by **Kuukai** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:26 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:You can't comatize someone with an illegal color modification, thus they wouldn't care. And before everyone brings up Haseo's illegal class changes, let me remind you that Yata was worried that that class change would pose a danger to the players.

Huh? When? Did I miss something? Yata doesn't care about normal players too much, his attitude is worse than Gabi's... Normal players are tools to him: AIDA bait, a way to get Haseo to awaken... When does he say anything about the class change?

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:32 pm

When Haseo undergoes the transformation in Roots...

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:46 pm

The TSN system only goes after things that can cause coma's.

....D:
Is there any legitimate explanation about the video Yata showed to Haseo then??

Fragments.beta · Post by **Fragments.beta** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:20 pm

TheSorrow wrote:
The TSN system only goes after things that can cause coma's.
....D:
Is there any legitimate explanation about the video Yata showed to Haseo then??

He could have forged that video. At least thats what I think.

Saying Keyaki is Helba or associated with Helba is forcing it. But personaly I believe that Keyaki is alot smarter and knowldgeable than he shows, otherwise he would never have been able to establish Moon Tree.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:32 pm

I still say he got infected by an AIDA back in roots. he gets the power he wants (yet it fails him, since he can't beat tri-edge), and he acts mentally unstable. but whatever.

No black spots = No AIDA infection.

point is, besides the point we don't actually know if the azure knights are the TSN system, we really can't go off what teh TSN system is supposed to do. besides the obvious point that CC corp lies endlessly, the TSN obviously didn't have control of the kite, balmung, and orca characters when it was first made. nor how the events that led to R:2 affected it. who knows how its programming has changed?

It could've just COPIED their characters instead of taking them. Dur dee dur. Plus I'm pretty sure the TSN is the Azure Knights. It's way too obvious. As obvious as Endrance being Elk.

Huh? When? Did I miss something? Yata doesn't care about normal players too much, his attitude is worse than Gabi's... Normal players are tools to him: AIDA bait, a way to get Haseo to awaken... When does he say anything about the class change?

Well, ok, not WORRIED, but when Haseo got his character illegally modified, he took it as proof of Haseo being an Epitaph User, which implies that Haseo is dangerous to players. Either that, or the fact that it came from Harald is what made AFK act.

Is there any legitimate explanation about the video Yata showed to Haseo then??

In Cell... It seems that Midori brought her sickness with her into the World, and that she was capable of infecting others with it, hence why Azure Flame Kite attacked her. In one chapter, she infects someone with it accidently, and it seems heavily implied that he's the guy that Azure Flame Kite Data Drained in the video, and that by pure coincidence, the guy had already fallen comatose moments before the Data Drain, leading to an understanding with Yata and Pi.

haseoxth · Post by **haseoxth** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:55 pm

Is there any legitimate explanation about the video Yata showed to Haseo then??

In Cell... It seems that Midori brought her sickness with her into the World, and that she was capable of infecting others with it, hence why Azure Flame Kite attacked her. In one chapter, she infects someone with it accidently, and it seems heavily implied that he's the guy that Azure Flame Kite Data Drained in the video, and that by pure coincidence, the guy had already fallen comatose moments before the Data Drain, leading to an understanding with Yata and Pi.[/quote]

explains alot...then in some other forum i was wrong....and about the the Azure knights being questioned about being or not being the TSN,they are.its to obvious....i mean,the TSN is suppose to go after abnormalities in THE WORLD and anything that maybe dangerous to it...like a certain three armed man we all know.