.hack//Roots episodes 1-13 discussion

Magus · Post by **Magus** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:56 pm

Ovan's shadow? As (for example) Cubia was to Kite, or do you mean in some other way? I've toyed with my own ideas of Tri-Edge being a program used by Ovan to further his own goals, or perhaps manipulated by him to some extent. At the very least, I strongly believe there is some connection between the two that goes beyond the ordinary.

Dengar · Post by **Dengar** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:24 pm

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. I'm comparing Ovan and TriEdge to Kite and Cubia.

Takeshi1689 · Post by **Takeshi1689** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:48 pm

Light Kagutsuchi wrote:Shino was definitely data-drained in the anime, being cut down does not put people into comas or make their characters disappear. Haseo didn't see Tri-Edge, in the game it would seem he only realized that it was Tri-Edge standing before him when he saw it's weapons.

Go back and watch it and you'll clearly hear slash and cut sounds before she falls...no sounds or indication of data drain being executed. And if Haseo never saw Tri-Edge but read about him on the BBS (I know he didn't know what he looked like until he finds him in the Cathedral again "This guy is....Tri-Edge?" was a good indication) then how does he know that he attacked Shino? Did he just gather that by her condition and the Sign behind her fallen body?

AuraTwilight wrote:Yea, you watch Shino decay into 1's and 0's. Data Drain
Tri-Edge uses Data Drain on the area around him to repair himself

Yeah, I saw the 1's and 0's....but...going back to what I pointed out...you hear and see the three slashes right before Shino falls...he attacked her as he left his Sign on the altar. Can his weapons possess the power to cause the same effect as Data Drain....?
Tri-Edge does Data Drain the area around him to repair himself...if you recall the TAF G.U. trailer....at the end Tri-Edge does Drain Heart and it deteriorates the area around Haseo and his party then he takes the particles into hiimself and is repaired...

Dengar · Post by **Dengar** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:53 pm

So Tri-Edge data drained her before killing her character. What's the big deal?

Magus · Post by **Magus** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:57 pm

I was also thinking along the same lines. As for Tri-Edge being Ovan's shadow, would that mean that Tri-Edge is the other side to his sealed arm's coin? In other words, Tri-Edge would be the opposite of what Ovan has kept sealed within his arm? If that's so, it would mean the data that constitutes Tri-Edge is equal to his arm's, in other words, an entire area in size.

Luckydan · Post by **Luckydan** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:58 pm

Dengar wrote:You know, the fact that Ovan's left arm is sealed and TriEdge has his bracelet on his right arm might have some significance after all. I'm thinking those two are two sides of the same coin. I didn't even notice the shadow lol, but I've been theorizing that TriEdge could be Ovan's shadow.

Was sealed, Yata did break the box in Epsiode 12, just have to wait for volume 2 for the truth dont think they are gonna reveal the purpose of Ovan's Shadow or his purpose by then o/w no one will purchase the game and not know the outcome. I quite understand and feel why Sakisaka and co quit the game though, sorta like people quitting WOW just hate it when companies develop content for the top 5% of players who spend 24 hrs in WOW doing nothing but pressing 3 buttons all day. Kinda reminds me of how people in WOW quit and go to Guild Wars.

Takeshi1689 · Post by **Takeshi1689** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:34 pm

Magus wrote:I was also thinking along the same lines. As for Tri-Edge being Ovan's shadow, would that mean that Tri-Edge is the other side to his sealed arm's coin? In other words, Tri-Edge would be the opposite of what Ovan has kept sealed within his arm? If that's so, it would mean the data that constitutes Tri-Edge is equal to his arm's, in other words, an entire area in size.

Everyone is theorizing that Tri-Edge and Ovan are so closely linked...that may be but Tri-Edge's appearance to be triggered by Ovan's arm being unsealed?? Don't you remember that Tri-Edge appeared long before Ovan was ever captured...leaving his mark in the Lost Grounds and moving about the system. Something else triggered his appearance...not the unlocking of Ovan's arm.

Light Kagutsuchi · Post by **Light Kagutsuchi** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:34 pm

I doubt Tri-Edge's weapons have the same effect as data-drain, there is absolutely no evidence for this in anything and it needlessly complicates matters, as such, the simplest explanation is that data-drain was used off-screen.

The rumors about Tri-Edge say the people he PKs never return to the game, Shino never returned and Haseo probably just put two and two together and made an assumption.

By the way, does anyone get the impression Tri-Edge is trying to do Aura's job? All he seems to do is fix glitches and he only seems to attack players that are in his way, he both ignored Haseo and let those two people escape after he data-drained the other party member. I really don't see him as much an antagonist.

Takeshi1689 · Post by **Takeshi1689** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:35 pm

He must be simply stabilizing the system....and everyone keeps talking about him Data Draining that one party member and letting the other two go...when was this? I don't remember it.

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:24 pm

I have only two things to say about Episode 13 (having finally gotten a chance to watch it):

1. I was right.
2. This certainly puts a new face on some things we thought we knew.

[Edit]
Actually, I do have one more thing to say.
3. It looks like Shino may well be a nursing student.

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:16 am

Takeshi1689 wrote:Go back and watch it and you'll clearly hear slash and cut sounds before she falls...no sounds or indication of data drain being executed. And if Haseo never saw Tri-Edge but read about him on the BBS (I know he didn't know what he looked like until he finds him in the Cathedral again "This guy is....Tri-Edge?" was a good indication) then how does he know that he attacked Shino? Did he just gather that by her condition and the Sign behind her fallen body?

You know Tri-Edge would need to slash and cut to leave the Sign behind, correct? O.o

Shino was Data-Drained, at the same time the Sign appeared. Haseo most probably investigated the Sign and eventually discovered that it was connected to a PK called Tri-Edge. The fact that his name is Tri-Edge and the Kanji that make up the name means 'three claw marks' appeared in the cathedral where Shino was Data-Drained wielding triple-edged blades should tell you everything.

So the next thirteen episodes will most probably revolve around Haseo looking for information on the mysterious PK.

Luckydan · Post by **Luckydan** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:08 am

You know what will be really funny? At the end of all these epsiodes and game will find out that Ovan is actually Kite in the original Hack Series all grown up

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Apple · Post by **Apple** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:40 am

Luckydan wrote:You know what will be really funny? At the end of all these epsiodes and game will find out that Ovan is actually Kite in the original Hack Series all grown up .

I hope your using sarcasm. I watched Episode 13, I was kinda teary at the end. XD The next 13 episodes must be the episodes that would open Rebirth to us. (:

Asagi-kun · Post by **Asagi-kun** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:02 pm

I've been thinking about the Signs and stuff since watching the ep. Does anyone suppose that Tri-Edge PK'd someone wherever there is a Sign?

Also, is it just me or does Tabby sound too much like Shino near the end of the ep, when Tabby is talking with Phyllo? At least, the very last sentence she says. o_O

Dengar · Post by **Dengar** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:31 pm

Luckydan wrote:You know what will be really funny? At the end of all these epsiodes and game will find out that Ovan is actually Kite in the original Hack Series all grown up .

People have said many times that if Ovan really is Kite, things would have gone differently.

Takeshi1689 · Post by **Takeshi1689** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:19 pm

Luckydan wrote:You know what will be really funny? At the end of all these epsiodes and game will find out that Ovan is actually Kite in the original Hack Series all grown up .

Even joking...that kind of thing should have been put in spoilers....

Apple wrote: I hope your using sarcasm. I watched Episode 13, I was kinda teary at the end. XD The next 13 episodes must be the episodes that would open Rebirth to us. (:

I hear ya there...by the time Shino had been killed, Haseo got there and called her desperately, Shino disappeared and Haseo was on the verge of tears....I was about to cry too.

Dengar wrote: People have said many times that if Ovan really is Kite, things would have gone differently.

I agree....Kite's behaviors...don't match to Ovan's at all...even if it is 7 years later I don't think he could change that much considering he did save The World once. No real tragedies were suffered when it cleared up.[/quote]

Dengar · Post by **Dengar** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:03 pm

Not to mention that Kite knows everything and Ovan... doesn't.

Luckydan · Post by **Luckydan** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:33 pm

Apple wrote:
Luckydan wrote:You know what will be really funny? At the end of all these epsiodes and game will find out that Ovan is actually Kite in the original Hack Series all grown up .
I hope your using sarcasm. I watched Episode 13, I was kinda teary at the end. XD The next 13 episodes must be the episodes that would open Rebirth to us. (:

You sure it was teary? I was hoping she get knocked off early, lucky it did happen unlike to subaru (who was purely in the anime for fanservice). Tri-Edge when in and done the three slashes etc etc. I feel more for Gord, B set and Sakisaka who quit the game, b/c I'm precisely in the same situation as them whether or not to continue my game with WOW and hence this rant.

For people who read this thread and considering to join a MMORPG please read below or those who wish to find out why Gord, Bset and Sakisaka probably quit the game otherwise skip this rant

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You will not understand why they quit, unless you actually play a MMORPG which in my case am going not promote to play. The game is like crack it lures you in and is entertaining before you reach the threshold level (This I assume where the three of them are at, (evidence of the unwillingness of going into dungeons to fight basic monsters)). For WOW its 60 for RO its the transendence classes, for EQ 2 same as WOW prolly higher levels. When you reach the threshold there is nothing really much to do except to fall into one of the four archetypes in MMORPG you either become an achiever (pretending your a leet person clicking three buttons over and over), Socialiser (those who cant talk to real people), explorer (this is an interesting type, actually go and explore new places) and Killers (again a more interesting type PK and PKKers fall into this cateorgy and the only types like explorers that seem to have fun

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The way Gord and Bset quit is probably the same thing I feel for WOW, its more of a second job to play and advance in the game rather than entertainment. You must spend at least 8 hrs to play the game to at least make any progress, the game is more a chore. ( Besides the reason for Gord's "Ovan to dissappear" this must be daunting for him, I assume that there are "raids" in The World for this purpose of comparsion)
To demostrate this I tell you what blizzard have done to wreck WOW ( and hope to deter any future players in this Slow Boring Diablo II game).

1. They have created 4 40 man instances for level 60s but however you cannot do them in any order they must be done in a set order. This is a massive mistake in anyone's mind. The bosses should get harder when you get furthur in the instance not **** from the offset.

So there is no fun in doing instances unless you like to do them Final Fantasy style repeatly (imagine playing final fantasy 100 times) on a chance of being paid a purple item or no reward at all (for the guild as they say). Note that every venture into an instance( Dungeon) takes a least anywhere from 3hrs minimum. The only fun dungeon is Strath Baron which you can do in under an hour for speed. Whoever reads this take note it takes at least 3hrs minimum to kill the first 2 bosses in a raid dungeon in a 10 boss dungeon and it gets slower, unbelieveable but true.
Take to account people dying (10 second ressurrection) Wiping (full 40 man ressurection) and loot distrubtion from an indecsive leader. Also most of the loot goes to the guild's bank which kinda pisses you off since 40 people did attend that raid for almost jack ****.

2. The other method is PVP to get the best items you must be rank 14 and to obtain this rank you must pvp for 24 hours a day. O/W you fall in rank.

Once you get the best items what do you do? Show them off in the middle of the crowd how fun

but this is what WOW is like and I hope to deter any future players from playing this game unless you like a Second Job with a chance of not being paid or rewarded for your efforts.

The way Sakisaka quit is the way you can compare WOW to 'the world' and Guild Wars to Riot Gun, a more faster, fun and exciting game ( I assume its more of a contest game rather than abstract spacy game like WOW or the world).

Skeith993 · Post by **Skeith993** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:18 am

Alright if Tri-Edge data drained Shino and she was put into a coma. Then why when he data drained Haseo did he not go into a coma, but was sent back to lvl 1. I kno data drain has random effects, but the question just sticks in my head why did Haseo not go into a coma. It could not have been because Skeith, because Shino is a epitath wielder as well. Can the story be a bit messed up or confusing, or is there more to it that we do not understand now. All i know is that you can only get comatouse from getting killed head by Tri instead of getting data drained i guess.

Silver Fusion · Post by **Silver Fusion** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:23 am

Shino isn't an Epitaph Weilder.

Haseo, Atoli, Kuhn, Endrance, Pai, Yata, Sakubo and Ovan are Epitaph weilders.

But think of it this way. In the games when you Data Drain a Phase it is weakened but doesn't die. Maybe the Epitaph is stopping them from becoming Comatose, but because Shino is just a normal player she didn't have that protection.

It'll probably be explained when we play GU.