Tsukasa's Mother.

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Postby milliennium_fox » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:06 pm

The way I see it, if it was Tsukasa's mother, wouldn't they have made a bigger effort to emphasize that?

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Postby mentis » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:36 pm

At this point I think there is evidence for either interpretation. It would be nice to have some official word from the creators as to the intended meaning of that scene. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen :P.

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Postby Shinsou Wotan » Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:18 am

mentis wrote:It would be nice to have some official word from the creators as to the intended meaning of that scene. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen :P.
Actually, it already has, and I just remembered where.

On the CC2 .hack page, there's a section called ".hack//Filmscript", which contains scripts of some of the episodes. These scripts don't match the final product in all details, but in general they're close enough. Here's a rough translation of an extract from the script of episode 23, "The Eve":
--Flashback
Police station, investigation room (?) [translator's note: this question mark in parentheses was present in the original]
Various items including 2 CDs, a pair of sneakers, and a child's brassiere are on a table.
(All she really wanted was the bra. The rest was just for camouflage.)
Tsukasa just sits there obstinately, along with a policewoman who is waiting for something.
The door opens, and Tsukasa's father enters.
Without saying anything, he hits Tsukasa with an open hand.
She falls from her chair, and glares weakly up at her father through her long bangs.
Her father, enraged, raises his hand to hit again, and the policewoman hurriedly grabs his arm.

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Postby mentis » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:15 am

Ah, that's excellent. I don't necesserily like being proven wrong :P, but in this case its good to get to the bottom of this.

Shinsou, thanks for finding that info. If only the scene had resembled the script closer (with the Policewoman coming to Tsukasas "rescue") it would have made more sense to me, I think :D.

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Postby Rental Daughter » Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:52 am

Shinsou Wotan wrote:
mentis wrote:It would be nice to have some official word from the creators as to the intended meaning of that scene. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen :P.
Actually, it already has, and I just remembered where.

On the CC2 .hack page, there's a section called ".hack//Filmscript", which contains scripts of some of the episodes. These scripts don't match the final product in all details, but in general they're close enough. Here's a rough translation of an extract from the script of episode 23, "The Eve":
--Flashback
Police station, investigation room (?) [translator's note: this question mark in parentheses was present in the original]
Various items including 2 CDs, a pair of sneakers, and a child's brassiere are on a table.
(All she really wanted was the bra. The rest was just for camouflage.)
Tsukasa just sits there obstinately, along with a policewoman who is waiting for something.
The door opens, and Tsukasa's father enters.
Without saying anything, he hits Tsukasa with an open hand.
She falls from her chair, and glares weakly up at her father through her long bangs.
Her father, enraged, raises his hand to hit again, and the policewoman hurriedly grabs his arm.


ooooo that really helps ^-^ I know it wasn't too much of a sad scene but I still feel sorry for Tsukasa *hugs Tsukasa*

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Postby Cless » Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:25 am

Here's a little more information. Do you remember the things Tsukasa said about his mom when the got to the question that involved a movie called "The Room" and it's creator. Tsukasa mom watched a lot of movies.

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Postby AuraTwilight » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:33 pm

Yea, that's already been said. Thanks.

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Postby S1lentOp » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:44 pm

[spoiler]For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Tsukasa as a he. I have seen the entire series and I know Tsukasa is a she.[/spoiler]

There really isn't much of a debate here... Tsukasa said his mother was dead and we saw a flashback of her funeral (and yes, that was a Japanese funeral). We know it's her funeral because Tsukasa said she was dead and we never see any other female character related to Tsukasa and his father anywhere else in the entire series. If it were any other person, it would have been both unlikely to appear anyways and completely irrelevant to the storyline. Also, if she wasn't dead, Tsukasa wouldn't have thought that his mother's spirit was an omniscient voice in The World. Obviously she couldn't have been both in her body and a spirit in a game at the same time. Then there was the dramatic reaction Tsukasa gave when Morgana made him believe she was his mother. The final piece of evidence is that we never see her at any other time in the series in th real world while Tsukasa is unconscience. We only see his father. It is pretty safe to say that Tsukasa's mom is dead and buried. I'm sorry, but to say she's still alive or "just left" isn't exactly a rational or accurate interpretation of the series.

As far as I can see, all of the arguements saying she's still alive are only supported by "What if" and "Wouldn't they have" comments and no real evidence from the series itself.
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Postby Kaoshima » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:29 pm

S1lentOp wrote:Now, Tsukasa's mother couldn't have died at childbirth because we clearly see him and his father at her funeral when he was small. Now, he had to have been at least 3 in that flashback and the last time I checked, most people don't wait 3 years after someone dies to have a funeral.

Actually it's very possible she died during childbirth, as there is a japanese tradition of, well, celebrating wouldn't be a good word, so for lack of a better one, honoring the anniversary of someone's death. A death during childbirth would also greatly increase the incentive for the father to resent Tsukasa's existance, resulting in abuse.

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Postby AuraTwilight » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:28 pm

And yet Tsukasa is able to recall that his mother liked old movies and seemed to have a big bond with her and crap.

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Postby S1lentOp » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:54 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:And yet Tsukasa is able to recall that his mother liked old movies and seemed to have a big bond with her and crap.
Good point.

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Postby Ritrox » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:01 pm

And yet Tsukasa is able to recall that his mother liked old movies and seemed to have a big bond with her and crap.
I actualy think that is funny. :lol: not her mother dying at child birth, but tsukasa knows that after his mother died. mabey his dad said something like that, or there where tapes of the sort.

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Postby S1lentOp » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:16 pm

And what significant evidence would suggest she died in childbirth rather than when Tsukasa was 5-12 (guessing the age).

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Postby AuraTwilight » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:23 pm

Especially that Tsukasa can recognized his mother's voice.And it's perfectly possible that Morganna used Tsukasa's mom's voice, just like she manifested a photo of his mother and called up Tsukasa's other memories, and how Morganna only used that voice in Tsukasa's presence. And since Morganna being able to browse the internet is unlikely (Why would a game management system need to) it's much more plausible to assume Morganna got the Little Mermaid story from Tsukasa's memories.

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Postby S1lentOp » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:03 am

Aura's getting good at this :D

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Postby AuraTwilight » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:43 am

Pfft. Whaddya mean? I've always been great at this stuff. Now excuse me. I need to do my ritualistic anime-esque victory dance.

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Postby S1lentOp » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:32 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:I like big eyes and I cannot lie
You other heroes can't deny
That when a girl walks in with little bittie eyes
and pink spiked hair in your face
You get sprung!
Heh, I think you might want to re-read that, because there's something wrong with it >.>

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Postby Kaoshima » Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:23 pm

:cry: I was just presenting an alternate theory... you didn't need to be so harsh... however I do see you point.

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Postby AuraTwilight » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:28 pm

Heh, I think you might want to re-read that, because there's something wrong with it >.>


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Postby Haro » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:38 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Especially that Tsukasa can recognized his mother's voice.And it's perfectly possible that Morganna used Tsukasa's mom's voice, just like she manifested a photo of his mother and called up Tsukasa's other memories, and how Morganna only used that voice in Tsukasa's presence. And since Morganna being able to browse the internet is unlikely (Why would a game management system need to) it's much more plausible to assume Morganna got the Little Mermaid story from Tsukasa's memories.


but didnt tsukasa not know the story? i remember that morganna explained it to her because she dident know it, or am i wrong?


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