Za-Warudo not in binary?

dominus_draconis · Post by **dominus_draconis** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:39 pm

during infection, Mia says that Za-Warudo does not consist of 1's and 0's, I know symbolically that it means more, but, also, does that mean Za-Warudo does not utilize Binary?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:36 pm

No, it's composed of binary as far as the coding goes, but the Black Box/AI System acts as a non-binary, emotional variable in the programming.

Kouen · Post by **Kouen** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:20 am

Basically The World goes beyond just codes and pre-recorded text. In The World, there are AIs that have free will, not ran by mere codes.

Cellos-CBK · Post by **Cellos-CBK** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:08 pm

All that binary coding is one of the basic encoding of the early data strings. The binary severed as a computer Morse code so to speak where you had a series of dots and dashes. Each combination was separated in characters --. Or --- and had their own meaning. The binary system is similar but has a more complex encoding. It stead of dots and dashes, you had what you call Boolean expressions. The computer would have a series of checks to id a cretin character.

In binary it was a simple form of True (1) or false (0)

So if for instance that 1 was a zero number character. Then it would acknowledge that as such.
However, if it was not a zero it would should up as 0 and then would follow up with the next question asking well is it this character. 1. If it were then it would read 01 for 1. Though this is rough explanation of it. Things could be more complex depending on the questions that it asked. Like The first digit could be something asking if it was a number then show up as a 1 if it was and or zero if it wasn’t then it would ask what number it would be if it was a number or proceed to the next type which would be a character. Thus it is a very complex why of speaking though I am not entirely sure on the exact specifics of binary code, this is my assumption I have made over my programming experience.

On a side not binary were only the languages that transfer data inside of a process. So if there were a glitch in it would not should up as 010101110101 but rather some jumbled up nonsense of characters number and symbols sconce that is what the computer translated the binary as.

But as I said I am not entirely sure on the exact specifics of binary code, this is my assumption I have made from my experience.

As for the AI's having free will that is a game specific and sconce their behavior is programmed into the game they do the same things, but the author made it seem that the AI has free while through a complex of coding.

But in thoery What Mia said means that The players themselfs are more than just data becuase they have a more complex built and no set behavior program but act indepently form everything.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:14 pm

As for the AI's having free will that is a game specific and sconce their behavior is programmed into the game they do the same things, but the author made it seem that the AI has free while through a complex of coding.

But in thoery What Mia said means that The players themselfs are more than just data becuase they have a more complex built and no set behavior program but act indepently form everything.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The AI's thought processes are not based on any sort of coding. Not entirely, anyway. While some might be present, most of their "soul" comes from a blackbox outside the network, otherwise the AI files would be petabytes large, unable to be contained in the entire World Servers, and that'd just be one AI. Much less hundreds, one of which being the Ultimate AI which godlike intelligence surpassing that of the entire collective human race.

AI's are basically like Tsukasa, except Tsukasa had a body to return to. You would not, could not say that Tsukasa's mind is entirely binary. Especially when there's no programming for half of the things he experiences, like smell and touch.

dominus_draconis · Post by **dominus_draconis** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:27 am

ahh, good point, though, in response to an earlier comment, though Binary is the old coding system, it is still the basic coding system of all programming codes, every computer runs by flipping switches, hence binary, hey, I have an idea, maybe the difference is that the world includes the concept of 2

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:35 pm

No, programming wise, it's in binary. It's to allude to then nature of the World being semi-divine, just like a human being is "more than atomic particles" when you include the Soul.

Cellos-CBK · Post by **Cellos-CBK** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:46 pm

dominus_draconis wrote:ahh, good point, though, in response to an earlier comment, though Binary is the old coding system, it is still the basic coding system of all programming codes, every computer runs by flipping switches, hence binary, hey, I have an idea, maybe the difference is that the world includes the concept of 2

Well now a days your processeser runss a character driven code highly based in numbers 0-9 and have a set translation chart for each.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:30 pm

Yes, but even THAT boils down to binary.

Tadashi · Post by **Tadashi** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:46 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:
As for the AI's having free will that is a game specific and sconce their behavior is programmed into the game they do the same things, but the author made it seem that the AI has free while through a complex of coding.

But in thoery What Mia said means that The players themselfs are more than just data becuase they have a more complex built and no set behavior program but act indepently form everything.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The AI's thought processes are not based on any sort of coding. Not entirely, anyway. While some might be present, most of their "soul" comes from a blackbox outside the network, otherwise the AI files would be petabytes large, unable to be contained in the entire World Servers, and that'd just be one AI. Much less hundreds, one of which being the Ultimate AI which godlike intelligence surpassing that of the entire collective human race.

AI's are basically like Tsukasa, except Tsukasa had a body to return to. You would not, could not say that Tsukasa's mind is entirely binary. Especially when there's no programming for half of the things he experiences, like smell and touch.

Now I want to know where the AI data is saved. In Harald's secret basement beowulf-cluster?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:36 pm

The AI Data is saved in the World's servers like everything else. But the "Soul" of the AI is indetectable and indescribable. You can't cut open the programming and find it, just like you can't dissect a human being and find the soul.

Epitaph Angel · Post by **Epitaph Angel** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:15 pm

...Each AI has its own identity...
...Its own components that make them them...
...The world is more then a game essentually...
...The worl dis a connection between the computer and the player....

Tsugasa-kun · Post by **Tsugasa-kun** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:28 pm

Yea, the game itself wasn't designed to bring the world to the player but the player to the world, thats what the phases did, bring people into the world to build Aura. The game consists of what you could translate as 2s and 3s into its coding instead of 1s and 0s

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:00 pm

No, it's still 1's and 0's, and the Phases took no part in Aura's development. My point is you can stare at the programming of the world and find nothing but ordinary game data, and maybe the graphics, models, and voice data of the AI's etc., in ordinary programming, but be unable to find what makes them tick.

Dantei · Post by **Dantei** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:19 pm

Interesting. I am not familiar with programming and binary code but you would think, from what I read in everyone’s response, is that the AI's behavior should be predictable and yet it is not.
Then one would assume that something else is at work, but looking at the code, there is no trace of it.

I have pondered how we as entities in this universe are capable of such complex feelings and thought. Sure, chemical reactions in our brain are responsible for these things but I just can grasp that idea. It seems so much more complex than that. How is thought created? What kind of reactions in our brains are responsible for complex thought?
The mind is indeed the Black Box of mankind.

AFK · Post by **AFK** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:55 am

More than just that. Have you ever heard of the theory of The Ghost in the Machine? This is a real phenomenon, I'm not making this up.

For instance, if a bunch of robots with the limited ability to think are put in a room for the night while set on idle, and are left alone for the night, they end up huddled together. The experiment was recreated at MiT, and it was found that during the course of the night, the robots migrated until they would up touching eachother.

Why is this? Who knows, but it's real.

.Hack maybe farther from fiction than we think.

awkward_confusion · Post by **awkward_confusion** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:41 pm

In some ways "ghost in the machine" reminds me of Morganna specifically. As said in the terminal disk, the phases were Morganna and when a phase dies so did a chunk of Morganna; while this would seem harmful to Morganna, I always saw it as progressive for Morganna. Something I can relate my theory to is the American Philosipher David Thoreau and his book "Walden." For anyone who doesn;t know "Walden" is about how for a year David Thoreau lived in a log cabin trying to sever himself from all the useless things in his life. At first he limited his physical possesions leaving himself with a table two chair, two plates, two forks, two spoons (one of each for himself and the other for company), a bed, two sets of cloths, one pair of shoes, and his book collection. After a while he started analyzing himself and asked himself "Do I need my vanity which makes me compare myself to others? Do I need my greed which makes me gain pleasure from being better than others? Do I need my envy which makes me angry at other who have more than me?"
In my view Morganna may of wanted the first seven phases dead believing that only when she limited herself to the part of her that was aware she would be able to grow.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:25 pm

Actually, that's the exact opposite of the point. Morganna was losing her Phases AGAINST her will, and was actually harmful. You can't compare the Phases to silverware and clothing anymore than you can compare books to your brain. The Phases are Morganna's life. Without them, her mind starts to corrode, and she's basically a retarded vegetable in the final battle.

mirageofdeceit · Post by **mirageofdeceit** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:51 am

didnt read the whole thing but, its the world not za-warudo, u have a japanese copy dont you?

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:39 pm

Both terms are acceptable. Za Warudo is the official Japanese name, ("The World" slurred with an accent) and is generally used in the fandom to tell apart "The World" video game and the world as in, like, the universe. Plus Za Warudo sounds more like a name, the same reason some people prefer Ginkan over Silver Knight.