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Yep, something doesn't happen just by thinking it. So I take it that's a no on the China thing?
I'm still looking for it. I saw the information on an asian website, so admittedly it might've been propaganda. China's assholish enough to do it, though.
I've gotten to the point were I think aliens are demons
*smacks you upside the head*

Don't be a moron.
If I'm right don't New agers believe Maitreya is some God that is related to all religions, and will come to make miracles, and watch over people. Won't he appear as a star, angel, and speak to everyone regardless of language? Benjamin Creme is the leader of this right?
New Agers don't have a single supreme God or unified beliefs. They all believe different things and are generally lumped together because they're all into the same "style" of things, if it makes sense. Usually they just call God things like "The All", or "The Light" or "The Supreme." You know, fairly normal names for calling an omnipotent being.
Maitreya is basically just the next human to achieve full enlightenment after the Buddha. Tradition states that this'll happen after everyone forgets what the Buddha taught ("decline of Dharma"), but what this really means is open to debate, so people have been claiming they're this guy basically since Buddha died. There are all sorts of wacky ideas about it, like he's L Ron Hubbard, or he glows in the dark, but most of them defy common sense because you'd expect him to be a lot like the first Buddha. It's kinda dumb to just throw him into some new age or other religion where the principles aren't the same as what the Buddha actually taught.

Buddhism predates Christianity, so can't you look at some guy showing up and saying, "your actions don't matter, there's a magical dude in the sky who forgives everything as long as you believe in me" as the decline of Dharma predicted by Buddhism, rather than Buddha as the anti-Christ? The core tenant of Buddhism is that your actions do matter, they're the only thing you truly leave behind, while worldly desires like living forever in a magic castle made of gold are just earthly delusions that compel you to ruin it for everyone and live a life of non-moderation.
See, this is why Jesus and Buddha need to THROW DOWN more than any other religious leaders.
Yes this relates to you know what, but hear me out. Aliens are demonic. Aliens are actually demons that are use to deceive people into New Age ideas instead of Christian like things. I'm somewhat like Huey Freeman off of the Boondocks. In season 3 ep 13 about the first few mins things like New World Order are mention.
You are NOTHING like Huey Freeman.
I really not good at explaining this, but the KJV is the most accurate word of God.
No it's not. The original Hebrew would be the most accurate version of the Bible. The KJV version is at best a translation with no content editing, but the lingual shifts between any language means any subtle nuances of the Hebrew language would be lost. And since the KJV Bible WAS edited to alter content, well...
Aliens to me are demonic. I think they're demons in another form. Answer me this. If Aliens existed must they follow the laws of physics? Shouldn't everything follow the lays of physics on this earth. There are a few things I can point out that doesn't make sense, but I shall start with this. If you see a alien ufo then how can something move so fast without making a massive sonic boom?
You know, it's not like we know everything about the laws of physics, ever. And we already know it's possible to go as fast as light and not create a sonic boom if you do so. It's called sunlight.

Throwing out all the ridiculous witness accounts of nutjobs, the basic idea of aliens is that people from another planet came here on spaceships that can go faster than light. That's really it, and the only problem is the FTL part, but scientists are optimistic that there's ways around it if you're willing to **** with physics a bit (and physics IS malleable. Very much so.)

Besides, speaking Biblically, Aliens CAN'T be demons. Demons don't have the right or ability to appear physically to people. All they're allowed to do is possess people or insert temptations in your mind subconsciously.
From my point of view only spiritual things can surpass the laws of physics.
Which is silly of you to think, since we already know that subatomic particles can violate physics as we know it.
Note that most physicists believe UFOs are a giant sham.
And that. There's no reason to invoke demons. People can just see weird lights and go "OMG A YU EFF OH" People are stupid, no demons required.
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I believe in manifestation to a certain extent.

I'm scientific at heart so anything like this I have a difficult time ever believing.
Manifestation isn't about "wishing for something."

It is about acting as if you have the things or will get them one day.
It is about staying positive and not doubting yourself, at least that is what I've gotten from it.

Which, is good to practice. Not to an extreme.
if you doubt yourself it is very hard to win.
That is my personal belief.

As for aliens...there are aliens. We've found bacteria, that is an organism that is alien.
Unless we are talking about green beings then that I don't know about.
No one really does.

Demons? Aren't we surrounded by them everyday?
I'm talking about humans of course.
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zaseo wrote:Aliens to me are demonic. I think they're demons in another form. Answer me this. If Aliens existed must they follow the laws of physics? Shouldn't everything follow the lays of physics on this earth. There are a few things I can point out that doesn't make sense, but I shall start with this. If you see a alien ufo then how can something move so fast without making a massive sonic boom?

From my point of view only spiritual things can surpass the laws of physics. Spirits can be good, or evil. Jesus can walk on water, and raise from the dead. Demons can do things to use spiritually. There are many ways to fool people.

Well if there from another universe or planet, then how could there physics and things be the same as are planet? Why must everything have to be a spirit or demon with you? Maybe god had created more then just us.


I just have to say it. God is looking for spiritual fruits not religious nuts.
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Well people would consider me a SDA base off of believes. I believe physics are universal, and only spiritual things can surpass them. As for the Huey Freeman thing I think I'm somewhat like him in a few areas. Watch the first 2:30 mins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM7c8XJGnYI

People who believe in the NWO aren't common, and most people think we're nuts. For now I shall read the KJV (compare to other English bibles it is the most accurate), and get my own ideas. I don't trust mainstream churches. Stuff about the aliens, and reptilians in the NWO theory is not true.
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I believe in manifestation to a certain extent.

I'm scientific at heart so anything like this I have a difficult time ever believing.
Manifestation isn't about "wishing for something."

It is about acting as if you have the things or will get them one day.
It is about staying positive and not doubting yourself, at least that is what I've gotten from it.

Which, is good to practice. Not to an extreme.
if you doubt yourself it is very hard to win.
That is my personal belief.
That's not manifestation, it's just confidence. Big damn deal.
Well if there from another universe or planet, then how could there physics and things be the same as are planet?
Other universes, sure, but generally all planets in the same universe would have the same laws of physics.
I believe physics are universal, and only spiritual things can surpass them.
Again, subatomic particles. We've observed that electrons and smaller particles can be in multiple places at once, hop through time, and can come in and out of existence at random.
People who believe in the NWO aren't common, and most people think we're nuts.
Huey is talking about a completely different concept from what you're thinking. And yes, you are nuts. There's no New World Order.
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Aliens are make believe get over it and if they did exist. I dought that they would waiste there time with us.
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shugo_lover wrote:Aliens are make believe get over it and if they did exist. I dought that they would waiste there time with us.
The term "alien" means anything foreign in an area. It doesn't necessarily have to been little green men on flying saucers. Hell, if an asteroid were to hit and we found bacteria in it that wasn't of this earth, that could be classified as an alien, so I doubt that they "don't" exist.
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_Tri-edge_ wrote:
shugo_lover wrote:Aliens are make believe get over it and if they did exist. I dought that they would waiste there time with us.
The term "alien" means anything foreign in an area. It doesn't necessarily have to been little green men on flying saucers. Hell, if an asteroid were to hit and we found bacteria in it that wasn't of this earth, that could be classified as an alien, so I doubt that they "don't" exist.
When I hear the word Aliens, I don't think of green men in saucers. I think of Leonard Nimoy Dressed as a Vulcan named Spock. Is there some more specific name you could call them? Also new that Alien is anything foreign. The thought of Foreign bacteria creeps me out, but maybe thats just me because I watch to much outerspace horror film things.
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AT what is the concept Huey is talking about?
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Well, for one thing, it's more of the political spectrum than the teleological one you're referencing. Secondly, he doesn't believe that a New World Order actually exists, only that governments are corrupt assholes. He specifically notes (though not in that clip) that a NWO won't happen unless there's radical revolution by the people.

Ultimately, he's more optimistic and present-minded than your own stance.
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A NWO might happen some day. It is a possibility. I've stop supporting Obama, because nothing is being done. No one is perfect yet still I feel Obama is a democrat version of Bush.
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zaseo wrote:A NWO might happen some day. It is a possibility. I've stop supporting Obama, because nothing is being done. No one is perfect yet still I feel Obama is a democrat version of Bush.
Obama is makeing things worse for us. His whole reform thing is just going to make things worse. Bush in my oppinion wasn't that bad. Maybe thats just me because I never paid attention to political stuff when he was in office.
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Both of you are completely ignorant about politics and should probably stop listening to your parents.
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I don't listen to my parents when it comes to political stuff. I'm really not for any party any more.
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AuraTwilight wrote:There's no New World Order.
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I know that's not what was meant at all.
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AuraTwilight wrote:Both of you are completely ignorant about politics and should probably stop listening to your parents.
Yeah, I should....
I don't even know what party I'm considered >.> Politics are boring to me so I never pay much attention to it. The sad thing though is that I'll have to pay attention it some day.
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shugo_lover wrote:
AuraTwilight wrote:Both of you are completely ignorant about politics and should probably stop listening to your parents.
Yeah, I should....
I don't even know what party I'm considered >.> Politics are boring to me so I never pay much attention to it. The sad thing though is that I'll have to pay attention it some day.
I'm not a teen anymore and I still never pay attention and I'm doing just fine.
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I have a good question. Were there any bombs in the building on 9/11? Aaron McGruder the creator of the Boondocks likely thinks so. If you saw the It's Going Down ep you see some truth.

From my point of view something was up with 9/11. If a plan crashes into a building that high then how did it fall the way it did? Also 9/11 is a good excuse for us to go to Iraq.
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I don't think that you, I, or most of the people here, or Aaron McGruder have the expertise to determine whether or not there were bombs planted in the towers based on the way they fell.

To answer your question, no, I do not think explosives were planted in the Twin Towers.

Also, we invaded Afganistan right after 9/11.
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I have a good question. Were there any bombs in the building on 9/11? Aaron McGruder the creator of the Boondocks likely thinks so. If you saw the It's Going Down ep you see some truth.
Hold up. You do know that what Aaron McGruder thinks and what Huey Freeman says are totally different, right? Huey Freeman isn't a character that acts as a voice of reason, he's an overly radical conspiracy nut who connects too many dots in order to validate his opinions. The real straight man who actually vocalizes Aaron McGruder's opinions was excluded from the television show and Huey Freeman had to act as the voice of reason from time to time to handle the plot.
From my point of view something was up with 9/11. If a plan crashes into a building that high then how did it fall the way it did?
Gravity, dumbass. When **** stops flying, it falls.

The government wouldn't fake 9/11 to justify invading a country. They'd just lie and say there were WMD's there, LIKE THEY DID. They gain absolutely nothing from 9/11 because anyone it would inspire to be more patriotic was already patriotic to begin with. If you don't like America, terrorists bombing it isn't going to change your mind. And if 9/11 was a conspiracy, nobody would know about it because the government would just shut down the conspiracy websites and "wipe out" anyone publically speaking "the truth."

The fact that the guy who produced Loose Change is still alive and his website is still active is the ultimate proof that 9/11 was done by crazy ass muslims.
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