.hack//G.U. SPECULATION THREAD AND THEORIES

ULFRIC · Post by **ULFRIC** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:33 pm

or their just embarassed to say it out loud because it sounds so silly

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:41 pm

New Tri-Edge/Three Azure Knights theory: I was finally reading through the news in Rebirth, and I noticed that one press release from CC about the new coma victims mentions that there's a Tri-Surveillance Network system (the "TSN System") that guards CC's network from problems. It apparently consists of three different AIs, and it was created in 2010. Umm, yeah...

KrulMagus · Post by **KrulMagus** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:05 pm

Kuukai wrote:New Tri-Edge/Three Azure Knights theory: I was finally reading through the news in Rebirth, and I noticed that one press release from CC about the new coma victims mentions that there's a Tri-Surveillance Network system (the "TSN System") that guards CC's network from problems. It apparently consists of three different AIs, and it was created in 2010. Umm, yeah...

You mean to say that CC created Tri-Edge!?!?!

This is a bit much to take in...

And it was created around the same time as Kite?

Hold on as I gather whatever is left of my senses...

When Lios said they were working on the problem, I didn't expect anything like this.

Scary...

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:05 pm

....Hmm....That makes things really frickin' obvious now.

Wan · Post by **Wan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:15 pm

KrulMagus wrote:
Kuukai wrote:New Tri-Edge/Three Azure Knights theory: I was finally reading through the news in Rebirth, and I noticed that one press release from CC about the new coma victims mentions that there's a Tri-Surveillance Network system (the "TSN System") that guards CC's network from problems. It apparently consists of three different AIs, and it was created in 2010. Umm, yeah...
You mean to say that CC created Tri-Edge!?!?!

This is a bit much to take in...

And it was created around the same time as Kite?

Hold on as I gather whatever is left of my senses...

When Lios said they were working on the problem, I didn't expect anything like this.

Scary...

Then is it fair to say that they can copy Kite's data but cant delete it? Or at least mimic it to some degree.

If so what were those AI's doing in the 4 part series...

However this is what gets me. The three that were morely used were Kite, Balmung and Blackrose. Orca wasnt even in the picture until the very end of Quaratine. So why did they pick Orca over Blackrose? Perhaps because hes a descendant of Fianna?

*DATA BUG* wrote:Meh...that seems WAY too emotional, like in roots, Phyillo keeps on saying its just a game and everone agrees almost 90% so i dont think that most people cna get THAT attacched to their charecters

The word emotional doesnt even describe it. It may be just a game but people do get attached and it does happen to everyone. Just pick up an online game and stay with it for a couple of months then delete it like it was air. Youll feel quite different afterwards...

Mellow Grunty · Post by **Mellow Grunty** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:18 pm

Kuukai wrote:New Tri-Edge/Three Azure Knights theory: I was finally reading through the news in Rebirth, and I noticed that one press release from CC about the new coma victims mentions that there's a Tri-Surveillance Network system (the "TSN System") that guards CC's network from problems. It apparently consists of three different AIs, and it was created in 2010. Umm, yeah...

... Oh em gee. O.o Speechless, I am.

Post by **Kuukai** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:59 pm

Ignus wrote:Then is it fair to say that they can copy Kite's data but cant delete it? Or at least mimic it to some degree.

Well, Blackrose's email seems to imply that Unison might not be canonical, so maybe Kite just never logged in again, and CC modified his PC. Either that, or yeah, they copied him. Didn't get his personality, but it makes sense that they might be able to get the rest. Then again, Udeden is mostly canon apparently, so I guess they're probably clones, not converts. (I mean, Balmung was still around...)

Ignus wrote:If so what were those AI's doing in the 4 part series...

It's possible they either were still under development, or they just waited until the end of the conflict and used the triumphant heroes as the basis for guarding the system (once they had actually proven themselves).

Ignus wrote:However this is what gets me. The three that were morely used were Kite, Balmung and Blackrose. Orca wasnt even in the picture until the very end of Quaratine. So why did they pick Orca over Blackrose? Perhaps because hes a descendant of Fianna?

Yeah, that's what I think, symmetry.

If the TSN system is Tri-Edge, it raises a lot of questions... Does it itself have a "shadow"? Why doesn't anyone (Yata, Pai, or even frigging Jun) know about it? Was it involved in any way with the Amagi disaster? What the heck is it doing exactly? And so on...

Wan · Post by **Wan** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:00 pm

Kuukai wrote:
Ignus wrote:Then is it fair to say that they can copy Kite's data but cant delete it? Or at least mimic it to some degree.
Well, Blackrose's email seems to imply that Unison might not be canonical, so maybe Kite just never logged in again, and CC modified his PC. Either that, or yeah, they copied him. Didn't get his personality, but it makes sense that they might be able to get the rest. Then again, Udeden is mostly canon apparently, so I guess they're probably clones, not converts. (I mean, Balmung was still around...)

But Kite's data is very protected not even CC corp could touch it or so it seems. The only thing I can think of is that when Kite's bracelt broke CC corp was able to infltrate Kite's PC data and copy it or manipulate with Kite not on it.

But then how does that go into T-E? Perhaps when the fire broke out, Kite's PC data was damaged. And for some reason or another a data source (such as a someone using the avatar or another force) took the information that Kite did and is mimics off it.

And yet that still doesnt make sense. In the 4 part series Kite and co make theyre primary goal to fight the epitaths whereas T-E "assumingly" defends himself or stumbles upon them. (Except for Ovan's case because we dont know if Ovan staged that fight to make it look like he fought him.)
- Why fight Ovan? Maybe Ovan "rebirthed" T-E. However he screws up T-E becomes zombified (by nature as well)
-Another thing im speculating is that Ovan has something to do with the appearance of T-E. I think Ovan staged what happened to Shino then had Haseo thinking T-E did it to test T-E's powers. Only problem is why would he do that? Ovan clearly fought T-E and used the AIDA in his arm. But if Ovan staged what happened to Shino, how do we not know in some form or fashion Ovan didnt stage that fight to use as an alibi (prob spelled wrong)

Kuukai wrote:
Ignus wrote:If so what were those AI's doing in the 4 part series...
It's possible they either were still under development, or they just waited until the end of the conflict and used the triumphant heroes as the basis for guarding the system (once they had actually proven themselves).

So are you saying CC corp might have tried to correct themselves and were doing fine (for the time being until the fire broke out).

Kuukai wrote:
Ignus wrote:However this is what gets me. The three that were morely used were Kite, Balmung and Blackrose. Orca wasnt even in the picture until the very end of Quaratine. So why did they pick Orca over Blackrose? Perhaps because hes a descendant of Fianna?
Yeah, that's what I think, symmetry.

If the TSN system is Tri-Edge, it raises a lot of questions... Does it itself have a "shadow"? Why doesn't anyone (Yata, Pai, or even frigging Jun) know about it? Was it involved in any way with the Amagi disaster? What the heck is it doing exactly? And so on...

I think the Amagi disaster was staged so he would screw up. Someone other than Jun was in the project and that person or persons knew the liminations of both Amagi and Jun. So Amagi was pushed (perhaps too far) and the fire was caused because of carelessness.

Remember more than likely top officialls of CC corp would know about these (even Lios might not even know about a 4th of it). So more than likely someone either leaked the information or it was evesdropped.
I still think the T-E in the trailers and in roots is a doll or shadow T-E. His movements were more robotic and his eye were as lifeless as a doll. Even in Vol. 2 (still just as cold) he had some movement.

I think some force is trying to gain control over the net and is using the game as a pool of evolution and will slowy move out of it to the net. They let all these "off the wall" circumstances happen (and this may not be CC corp. Could be another force such as a very strong AIDA PC) Remember the AIDA's give what the person wants. So if someone wants power more than likely the AIDA is going to give it.

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:27 pm

TSN. Yeah. a surveillance program made up of three seperate ai's. they were probably made to act as a backup incase something unreperable would happen to the world. it is now my suspicion that amagi used the TSN to chase Aura away so he could take the oppurtunity to 1-up Herold by replacing Aura. CC Corp's motive simply meant using Amagi's ambition to create a new Aura, one that they could control. Jun only wanted the problems caused by Aura's absense to stop, but feared project G.U. would go wrong and create a new Cubia or something far worse.

So right now we're dealing with a security system made up of three ai's. Kite of the Azure Flame, Balmung of the Azure Sky, and Orca of the Azure Sea. the ra plan was a failure, yet project g.u. is still set in motion. who knows what will happen once the original eight epitaphs awaken. The epitaphs are obviously an enemy of TSN. TSN are enemies of AIDA so maybe the AIDA are broken remants of the original revision. This could also explain Herold's new appearance; he wonders about the well being of his daughter. Aura. Beyond TSN, what are we dealing with? there has to be something they are specifically targeting and a reason why they are after the epitaph users; including Ovan. Perhaps project g.u. will spark a battle that will decide if Aura is to be reborn or if a new warped Aura would take her place. One reason the AIDA may seem violent is because they are desperately searching for the original Aura; they'll go so far as to reach outside of the game world. This could translate to doll syndrome. Can anyone guess what might happen to Shino??? i can give you one guess...

Ovan likely knows he is an epitaph carrier. He wants Haseo to become stronger because he knows that; Haseo is Ovan's future. this would suggest the awakening of the original eight epitaphs may bring forth a seperate result than what is intended to happen through project g.u.. Remember. Shino talks about how Aura ran away; that she would not run away like Aura did. Before being data drained, Shino even asks Phyllo and Tabby to take care of Haseo because she might disappear. its not that hard to imagine. i'm NOT saying Shino is going to be the new Aura, but i am saying there was a real legitimate reason behind Shino being data drained; not just to provoke Haseo's rage and Skeith's awakening.

edit: about Ovan's arm. it is the size of an entire area. it might possibly be an Aida. though that conclusion seems to obvious. there is something more to his arm than what we are being led to believe.

something tells me the 3rd game will be a race against time because of some ill fated plan thought up by cc corp. or possibly the TSN... idk

the phases can do what they want. they are part of character data but they are still the eight phases born from the abominable wave from the epitaph.

VKV · Post by **VKV** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:24 am

Kuukai wrote:New Tri-Edge/Three Azure Knights theory: I was finally reading through the news in Rebirth, and I noticed that one press release from CC about the new coma victims mentions that there's a Tri-Surveillance Network system (the "TSN System") that guards CC's network from problems. It apparently consists of three different AIs, and it was created in 2010. Umm, yeah...

Hm, Hm...this "TSN System" could be related to Tri-Edge and company.
But if Tri-Edge, Orca and Balmung relly are this "TSN System". I'm not really sure they were meant to be exatly the way they are now.
Maybe something happened or then they really are this "TSN System".
(If I just could read the news too...

)

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:31 am

That's the mystery of the Three Azure Knights solved then... ¬_¬ It also suggests that Tri-Edge didn't put anyone in a coma, even CC Corp wouldn't protect the system through coma-inducing AI.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the TSN was to appear as a set of three entirely new AI?

But if they are the TSN, then this begs the question... What is the anti-existance to the Avatars if not the Azure Knights? The only other possibility is the AIDA...

pekerman · Post by **pekerman** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:20 pm

Kuukai wrote:New Tri-Edge/Three Azure Knights theory: I was finally reading through the news in Rebirth, and I noticed that one press release from CC about the new coma victims mentions that there's a Tri-Surveillance Network system (the "TSN System") that guards CC's network from problems. It apparently consists of three different AIs, and it was created in 2010. Umm, yeah...

That´s why we see T-E (in Roots) fixing some bugs in the game

Post by **Kuukai** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:51 pm

Umbra wrote:That's the mystery of the Three Azure Knights solved then... ¬_¬ It also suggests that Tri-Edge didn't put anyone in a coma, even CC Corp wouldn't protect the system through coma-inducing AI.

It's quite ironic, in the article they mentioned the TSN as a system that was among the things being used to look into the recent comas... That doesn't mean it didn't cause them, but it makes you wonder...

Umbra wrote:Wouldn't it be interesting if the TSN was to appear as a set of three entirely new AI?

Yeah, I thought of that, though that would be kinda dumb...

Umbra wrote:But if they are the TSN, then this begs the question... What is the anti-existance to the Avatars if not the Azure Knights? The only other possibility is the AIDA...

Which was always more likely than it being Tri-Edge in my mind. Ovan and Sakaki's quotes from the previews for one thing, and also the way the AIDA seem to be coming from nowhere and "eating away" at The World, they are a lot more "shadow"-like...

VKV · Post by **VKV** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:01 pm

Aside from this new TSN information, this comes little out of the blue now, but does Khun's name mean anything?

ULFRIC · Post by **ULFRIC** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:14 pm

Perhaps they did tell us about it. When Lios was threatening to delete Kite. Then Helba arrived and told him he couldn't even if he wanted to. Perhaps Lios Plan B was to find a way to delete him. And in so doing needed a model to work with. So he copied Kite without telling him. Perhaps using the home made data bug and posing it as a test to gain his allegiance. Perhaps the test program simply got out of control. The original was coated with a virus so it's not like he wasn't expecting some sort of difficulty. It's just, I don't think he was quite expecting this. So they covered it up, as CC has been known to do, with the TSN.

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:38 pm

kites data couldn't be copied, deleted, or altered in anyway except by Aura or Morganna and Cubia or a phase. also when cc corp took phases data they took everything in big chunks and put it together. they weren't able to do anything that would compromise the integrity of the files themselves.

another possibility is TSN being an excuse made by CC Corp to hiding something else. sort of like how coporate crime being involved with drugs and they create a front by opening a toy factory.... or a newsprint factory that hides a cocaine lab...

or its a sercurity entity but what are they guarding? what is thier purpose?

Wan · Post by **Wan** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:44 pm

maybe they are regulating TW while Aura is away.

Another question. Pai as we all know in the trailers goes berserk (possibly to an AIDA) and all these connected lines go everywhere on her. Now my question is this.

If something of that nature happened to Pai, then what about Haseo? He too got lines of those same natures and it looked like he was surpirsed or unnerved to get it...

Luckydan · Post by **Luckydan** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:57 pm

You know the scene where Haseo abosrbs the Avatar doesnt that remind you of SOTC.

PK Murderer Nickey · Post by **PK Murderer Nickey** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:23 pm

Is it possible for another Cubia to appear? In the interm reports they say it's possible.

haseoskeith · Post by **haseoskeith** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:15 pm

Ignus wrote:maybe they are regulating TW while Aura is away.

Another question. Pai as we all know in the trailers goes berserk (possibly to an AIDA) and all these connected lines go everywhere on her. Now my question is this.

If something of that nature happened to Pai, then what about Haseo? He too got lines of those same natures and it looked like he was surpirsed or unnerved to get it...

i think those lines show when they summon theyr avatars (altho it seems a bit painful to them)