.hack//G.U. SPECULATION THREAD AND THEORIES

[VideoSpud]

but how can haseo and his team mate has the avatar?

Haseo along with Pai, Kuhn, Yata, Atoli, Sakubo, and Ovan are known as the "Infinity 8", which can be also known as the Cursed Wave. They are the only ones along with Tri-Edge and Orca and Balmung that have Avatars, along with the Dummy version of Tarvos.

what about other players?

They don't have Avatars.

why they dont have them?

See answer to first question.

and why the avatar took form as the enemy from .hack// original?

See first answer.

and why on earth triedge kill shino for no reason?

He didn't DD Shino for no reason, he got her mixed up with Atoli, since he seems to DD Epitaph Users as well as Potential Epitaph Users, since Kite's original goal was to destroy the Cursed Wave.

does shino also has the avatar?

No, she doesn't.

[Wan]

isnt it strange that the Infinity symbo is a horzonital 8. so really there are 2 8s

[awkward_confusion]

They are the only ones along with Tri-Edge and Orca and Balmung that have Avatars, along with the Dummy version of Tarvos.

I might be wrong about this, but it hasn't been confirmed that Orca and Balmung have avatars too, but if they do it boosts my "Tri-edge, Tri-Orca and Tri-Balmung are AIDAs theory."

He didn't DD Shino for no reason, he got her mixed up with Atoli, since he seems to DD Epitaph Users as well as Potential Epitaph Users, since Kite's original goal was to destroy the Cursed Wave.

That is extremely odd, especialy since Atoli didn't even have an account when Shino got data drained.

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does shino also has the avatar?


No, she doesn't.

There is a slight possibility that Shino could have the dummy avatar.

[VideoSpud]

Yeah, but nothing's for sure right now.

[AuraTwilight]

He didn't DD Shino for no reason, he got her mixed up with Atoli, since he seems to DD Epitaph Users as well as Potential Epitaph Users, since Kite's original goal was to destroy the Cursed Wave.

Atoli wasn't even registered. And I'm sure an AI like Tri-Edge can use other clues besides appearance to keep from mixing people up, like username, IP address, email, hell, maybe looking and seeing if they have a freaking AVATAR. DUH!

Tri-Edge has only attacked two people who were actually Epitaph Weilders as far as we know, as opposite to countless people, but at a minimum six. That means at the most, only a third of the people he's attacked are Epitaph Weilders. IT HAS to be something else.

Haseo along with Pai, Kuhn, Yata, Atoli, Sakubo, and Ovan are known as the "Infinity 8", which can be also known as the Cursed Wave. They are the only ones along with Tri-Edge and Orca and Balmung that have Avatars, along with the Dummy version of Tarvos.

It's only an assumption that Orca and Balmung have Avatars, and there's a possibility that Tri-Edge and the Dummy are one and the same.

isnt it strange that the Infinity symbo is a horzonital 8. so really there are 2 8s

Yea, that's the whole point.

There is a slight possibility that Shino could have the dummy avatar.

Only in GU+, which isn't canon. And according to that, Haseo and Sakubo are in comas

[Wan]

They are the only ones along with Tri-Edge and Orca and Balmung that have Avatars, along with the Dummy version of Tarvos.

I might be wrong about this, but it hasn't been confirmed that Orca and Balmung have avatars too, but if they do it boosts my "Tri-edge, Tri-Orca and Tri-Balmung are AIDAs theory."

He didn't DD Shino for no reason, he got her mixed up with Atoli, since he seems to DD Epitaph Users as well as Potential Epitaph Users, since Kite's original goal was to destroy the Cursed Wave.

That is extremely odd, especialy since Atoli didn't even have an account when Shino got data drained.

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does shino also has the avatar?


No, she doesn't.

There is a slight possibility that Shino could have the dummy avatar.

Maybe because Shino was knocked out part of her conscience was embedded into Atoli. And because of which she wouldnt know who Shino is. If thats true it would explain somewhat why Atoli and Shino are identical. And more importantly the reason shes TMOD

[1337chef]

Interesting theory. Maybe it was guilty by asociation. 2 epitaph wielders in your guild would make anyone that knew suspicious of you.
On a diferent note, I think I know why there will be so few chracters from previous games in G.U. Because they know of Aura, the game would seem wrong without her. Like it was alive in body, but missing it's soul.

[TriEdge The Azure Flames]

Do u think that Evil balmung and orca will try to revive Tri-Edge back

[Kuukai]

But Atoli is nothing at all like Shino...

And random people have been data-drained by Tri-Edge, you can't make up a theory that doesn't involve those seemingly normal people...

Also, at least some people are the same, and there are people who know of the events of the games and of AIs... Aura too probably, since Shino got her information from other people...

[Wan]

But Atoli is nothing at all like Shino...

And random people have been data-drained by Tri-Edge, you can't make up a theory that doesn't involve those seemingly normal people...

Also, at least some people are the same, and there are people who know of the events of the games and of AIs... Aura too probably, since Shino got her information from other people...

Can you honestly say they arent alike? We just found out (some met) the new characters. Thats not to say people dont change over time. And why not those normal people? For all we know those who have been DD were captured by T-E himself and used for human Anti Intrusion Devices for Aura. Its just theorizing and its not the end of the world if Im wrong. Were here to have fun so lets enjoy ourselves shall we?

2) also i havent even played GU v.1 because its not even out in the states. And just because you played doesnt mean what you played or thought was set in stone. You dont even know the whole of the story. Thats why we are simpling guessing and theorizing. Its not the end of the world if its wrong you know. Besides who thought about Tsukasa actually being a girl. Even she thought she was a guy. So all kinds of twists and turns happen throughout the story and what you say is part of a confusing whole. one cant understand any part fully until the whole has been reached. The only thing you know apart from us that havent played are facts (they may not even be true) that were told in the game.

[VideoSpud]

Ignus does have a point. Besides, the title reads Specualtion and Theories for Rebirth, not "Straight-Forward True Facts About Rebirth", but just Speculations and Theories for Rebirth.

[Dragoon2044]

Atoli. The Mirage of Deciet.
What does this idealistic girl see in The World? Atoli is the heroine of G.U. It seems that The World is the first net game she has played, and perhaps because of that, she expects a lot from it. While playing, she met Sakaki, who invited her to join "Moon Tree," the guild to which she now belongs. She seems to spend a lot of time with him. A Harvest with a gift for healing, she has a kind personality, which may be why she does not hesitate to contact even the antisocial Haseo, trying to help him.

 In the latest episode, Tabby, says she wants to help Haseo anyway she can. Tabby is a new player... i don't know.. it just kind of hit me. I'm really really starting to think Tabby doesn't appear after Roots because well... she logs in as a different character. Namely, Atoli; a new player who joins a user-friendly guild. A guild that helps 'mid-level' players. Not just newbies but those who've had a taste of power and is against pk'ing. My idea here is that Tabby is Atoli. They are two different characters behind the same player. Tabby says Haseo can't replace Ovan. I'm thinking what she really means is she can't be like Shino whom Haseo is now desperately trying to save. Tabby wants to save Shino, but she also wants to help Haseo but is unable to help him. It would make perfect sense for her to create a character just like Shino so she can help Haseo.

edit: videospud does have a point. i just want to point out that theories are theories no matter thier context. i also want to point out that this thread consequently much of this board is brought to life through speculation. So thats two seperate parts. the first part is theories; a collection of possibilities based off of facts. the second part is speculation; which is a collection of facts based off of facts. They are similar, yet different. No matter how right or wrong something is, we as an online community give this thread and the board life.

oh jeez i feel like i'm raising frakenstein to life.....

[VideoSpud]

Frankenstein is dead, and has been dead for a long time....That is, until they clone his corpse. That theory is well-drawn, about Tabby being Atoli and such...Ah well....Guess we'll have to wait and find out.

[Kuukai]

Exactly, "Theories and Speculations." That includes speculations on the validity of other speculations. Sorry, but there's no reason not to throw out theories (i.e. Piroshi is the Key of the Twilight) that make no sense.

Actually, I was pretty sure that Tsukasa was a girl when Bear didn't believe him, pretty early in the series...

Anywise, Atoli isn't Tabby, since she's never heard of Shino, and is in fact very upset when she learns that that's why Haseo was hanging out with her... Tabby would totally know this. Tabby also doesn't have her "hearing" power...

And yes, I'm certain that Atoli and Shino have very different personalities. You could call it "acting" I guess, but then this whole "personality fragment" thing loses all meaning...

[Dragoon2044]

I'll also add the bit where Shino changed her avatar to black. The cheerful, optimisitc Shino was now gone; in her place a dark yet determined girl. lets say Tabby created Atoli from the joyous nature of the 'white' Shino.
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It might not be true, but i was just throwing the idea out there. It all works with the Mirage of Deciet symbolism anyways...

Exactly, "Theories and Speculations." That includes speculations on the validity of other speculations. Sorry, but there's no reason not to throw out theories (i.e. Piroshi is the Key of the Twilight) that make no sense.

That would obviously be the only real exception though. Even so, not everyone everywhere knows everything about dot hack.

[AuraTwilight]

to the topic of Atoli being a fragment of Shino: The hell? That's really pushing the limit of Liminality (if not breaking it entirely.) Not to mention that Atoli seems as much as a person as Shino. Get over it people. Just because they look alike doesn't mean they're the same. OMG! Elk is a Tsukasa after a sex change! Please.

To the topic of Atoli being Tabby: That's just outright stupid. Atoli didn't know Haseo before their first encounter. If she was Tabby, they'd have similar personalities (and they're almost opposites.) If they were the same, Atoli would be like "HASEO-KUN! It's me, Tabby! Nyaan~" To say nothing of the fact that if Tabby was a candidate for the Mirage of Deceit and was Atoli,then it'd probably be the Tabby PC who was the Epitaph Weilder. (Then again, imagining Tabby being an Infinity Eight member would be funny.)

Honestly, people. Just because Ender and Naobi switched characters doesn't mean EVERYONE is SOMEONE ELSE! Stop overcomplicating things and take people at face value unless you have to do otherwise. Atoli is Atoli. Tabby is Tabby. Shino is Shino. Atoli sure is doing her job as the Mirage of Deceit, since just like Haseo, all of you people are unable to grasp that Atoli is, le gasp, NOT SHINO, but her own entity with her own faults and virtues. (Which is like, a MAJOR part of Haseo's character development to realize and come to terms with.)

[Dragoon2044]

i never said thats what i placed my faith in. the idea simply came to mind so i wrote it down here. its not a bad thing to do is it? i say whatever comes to mind. Yeah i know Haseo is Haseo and Tabby is Tabby and Shino is Shino and Atoli is Atoli. That line has already been crossed with the whole Endrance/Elk situation. Yeah there are many different character types, sometimes there are types that are similar. it was just by circumstance that we see a character named Mimiru, Tsukasa, Bear, and later BlackRose, Elk, and Orca. They are all thier own person. Lets all play nice. okay? not everyone out there knows everything there is to know about dot hack. its unreasonable to expect them to and then complain about it.

[AuraTwilight]

It's not that, it's that people have reckless abandon of Occam's Razor and try and find meaningless connections like some kind of Roswell conspiracist.

[haseo is all 8]

need to shut up ok stop picking fights with one another

[Dragoon2044]

i think its the heat... oh we're not fighting. we're just expressing our individual ways of thinking which ultimately translates to an opinion. ^_^

It's not that, it's that people have reckless abandon of Occam's Razor and try and find meaningless connections like some kind of Roswell conspiracist.

i might be at fault here. i'm really egalitarian. I try to defend everyone and every idea. No matter how dumb it sounds. Remember those people who don't know any better are like newbies in the world. you don't want to push them away from the game right? also one of murphy's laws says that 'if something is stupid but it works, it isn't stupid'. i totally agree with the reckless abandon terminology, though since i haven't yet played rebirth, i can't possibly know what Atoli is really like. i'm only basing what i've said thus far off of roots. i'll have to wait untill.... October? to play the game for myself. at least it does for right now make sense in my mind... even if they are too different people which they probably are. hehe just an idea that came to mind while watching the anime.