.hack//LINK - Likes & Dislikes? *Definite Spoilers*

[wave killer]

I have no likes for this manga, I'm still happy that Kite and Haseo make a reappearance but that changed quickly after how I seen them portrayed.

My dislikes. . . just about everything. But what really sets me off is this whole "Tokio is physically transported into The World" ****. Okay, I could tolerate Tsukasa's coma situation and even the Avatars from G.U., but now I think they really have over done it now. Last I checked, The World was still a game, not a gate into another dimension. The Avatars and Tsukasa can easily be explained, but no matter how many times I think it over, there just isn't any solid explaination for this and even if there was one I'm sure it won't be any good.

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The reason I like LINK is because it has a nice balance of action and comedy, for me its enjoyable to read. Characters that I didn't think were returning have and its on a stage for bringing .hack up a level. As for Tokio physically entering The World its something that never really bothered me or was a thing I felt like denying. For others that aren't convinced it happen there is .hack//Epitaph of Twilight. The main character Lara also Saya is physically transferred into a prototype of the game by a program Harald was planning to use. However didn't because he required an additional person to operate from the outside and return him to the real world afterwards. In the end its this program that causes several problems for future generations of The World. Its like watching the series come around full circle, leading up to this.

http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Epitaph_o ... ht_(Novel)

[AuraTwilight]

As for Tokio physically entering The World its something that never really bothered me or was a thing I felt like denying. For others that aren't convinced it happen there is .hack//Epitaph of Twilight. The main character Lara also Saya is physically transferred into a prototype of the game by a program Harald was planning to use. However didn't because he required an additional person to operate from the outside and return him to the real world afterwards. In the end its this program that causes several problems for future generations of The World. Its like watching the series come around full circle, leading up to this.

It came out at around the same time of Link, and has a lot of the same problems. Despite it's promise, Epitaph of Twilight is **** as well.

Last I checked, The World was still a game, not a gate into another dimension. The Avatars and Tsukasa can easily be explained, but no matter how many times I think it over, there just isn't any solid explaination for this and even if there was one I'm sure it won't be any good.

Well, in all fairness, according to Yata, the world is only a matter of perception, and thus, isn't Za Warudo just as real, or unreal, as our own world? Tsukasa said the same thing. "This is my world." As long as he experiences it, it is reality.

It's this same property that made comas possible in the first place, and since Za Warudo was built on psychic phenomena, it's reasonable.

[wave killer]

Last I checked, The World was still a game, not a gate into another dimension. The Avatars and Tsukasa can easily be explained, but no matter how many times I think it over, there just isn't any solid explaination for this and even if there was one I'm sure it won't be any good.

Well, in all fairness, according to Yata, the world is only a matter of perception, and thus, isn't Za Warudo just as real, or unreal, as our own world? Tsukasa said the same thing. "This is my world." As long as he experiences it, it is reality.

It's this same property that made comas possible in the first place, and since Za Warudo was built on psychic phenomena, it's reasonable.

Reality is built on your own observation, it's real only if it's tangible. I don't doubt "Za Warudo" is viewed as a reality in itself, I might even go so far as to say it's a living world if Aura or the other self-aware AI can die and reproduce (Zefie not included). But what I really don't like is how Tokio can physically be in Za Warudo. If his real body was still in the real world in a coma and he's just another mind upload like Tsukasa was then I would be fine with it.

Maybe I missed read it or I'm forgetting something, hell I might be completely wrong again. If this is true then by all means point it out so I don't make a fool of myself in the future.

[AuraTwilight]

The idea that Yata was inferring was that, just like Za Warudo is an illusion world created by electronic data and consciousness, the real world is created by electric pulses and the soul. Both worlds are illusions, and the mind is the only reality. It would be this apparent property that causes physical teleportations, comas, and Za Warudo wonkiness: Your mind is where it thinks it is. The comas are caused by dying when you subconsciously believe you're within Za Warudo. Mimiru and Bear demonstrate this perfectly in Sign when they're visiting Harald with Tsukasa and the bridge collapses. "Bear...Bear, your hand is sweaty. I'm scared! What happens if we die here?" "Calm down, it's just a game!" "Y-yea..that's right, isn't it?"

The important thing is that Mimiru was fully conscious, but she felt Bear's PC's hand as a physical sensation. She "was in" Za Warudo because she was so "into" the game.

If this train of thought is accurate, this means that the real world humans live in is basically a shared, consensual hallucination; a dream world we all "agreed" to live in, with us having decided on rules that we could possibly overturn. With this in mind, teleporting body and all between worlds shouldn't be a problem because it's fundamentally identical to deleting or moving a data file. It's not a tangible existence, it's just a symbolic visualization.

However, the problem, in my opinion, isn't that this body teleportation should be impossible, but that it shouldn't be done as a narrative principle. .hack's appeal was that although it's events were explicitly supernatural, they were so subtle that they didn't raise any flags, and it could be happening to your neighbor right now in hypotheticals.

With Link and Epitaph of Twilight, we have a physical disappearance that can't be overlooked, unlike a coma that could be chocked up to epilepsy or stress, and everyone is in the god-damned know and either expected this to happen, or doesn't care. Both works completely lack the atmosphere of ordinary, oblivious surrounding players that drove the entire MMORPG motif of .hack ANYWAY. The two might've well just have been High Fantasy alternate universe where Aura is a literal Goddess, Za Warudo is an actual fantasy planet, and the AIDA are DEMONS RAWR.

[wave killer]

The idea that Yata was inferring was that, just like Za Warudo is an illusion world created by electronic data and consciousness, the real world is created by electric pulses and the soul. Both worlds are illusions, and the mind is the only reality. It would be this apparent property that causes physical teleportations, comas, and Za Warudo wonkiness: Your mind is where it thinks it is. The comas are caused by dying when you subconsciously believe you're within Za Warudo. Mimiru and Bear demonstrate this perfectly in Sign when they're visiting Harald with Tsukasa and the bridge collapses. "Bear...Bear, your hand is sweaty. I'm scared! What happens if we die here?" "Calm down, it's just a game!" "Y-yea..that's right, isn't it?"

The important thing is that Mimiru was fully conscious, but she felt Bear's PC's hand as a physical sensation. She "was in" Za Warudo because she was so "into" the game.

If this train of thought is accurate, this means that the real world humans live in is basically a shared, consensual hallucination; a dream world we all "agreed" to live in, with us having decided on rules that we could possibly overturn. With this in mind, teleporting body and all between worlds shouldn't be a problem because it's fundamentally identical to deleting or moving a data file. It's not a tangible existence, it's just a symbolic visualization.

I always thought it was mind uploading. Like Za Warudo used some form of hypnosis to force the player into believing he or she is actually dying, and according to what you've explained, maybe Za Warudo used this moment in Tsukasa's case to "transfer" her/his mind into an inorganic body, like their PC for example. But this is just me, I'm only trying to sort some things out.

However, the problem, in my opinion, isn't that this body teleportation should be impossible, but that it shouldn't be done as a narrative principle. .hack's appeal was that although it's events were explicitly supernatural, they were so subtle that they didn't raise any flags, and it could be happening to your neighbor right now in hypotheticals.

With Link and Epitaph of Twilight, we have a physical disappearance that can't be overlooked, unlike a coma that could be chocked up to epilepsy or stress, and everyone is in the god-damned know and either expected this to happen, or doesn't care. Both works completely lack the atmosphere of ordinary, oblivious surrounding players that drove the entire MMORPG motif of .hack ANYWAY. The two might've well just have been High Fantasy alternate universe where Aura is a literal Goddess, Za Warudo is an actual fantasy planet, and the AIDA are DEMONS RAWR.

Hence why I said the "gate" thing. Unlike a coma (or as far as I've seen) Tokio is "really" in Za Warudo. There isn't a body comatose anywhere and I believe the only way you can "teleport" to Za Warudo is mental illusion. But it might be that I missed that part, that Tokio is in a coma and I didn't notice it.

I'm sorry if I'm not understanding this correctly.

[AuraTwilight]

I always thought it was mind uploading. Like Za Warudo used some form of hypnosis to force the player into believing he or she is actually dying, and according to what you've explained, maybe Za Warudo used this moment in Tsukasa's case to "transfer" her/his mind into an inorganic body, like their PC for example. But this is just me, I'm only trying to sort some things out.

But how would that work? There's no electrodes connected to the brain to read the thought data of a player, and mind uploading would just make a copy of the mind, not move it. Furthermore, the data of a human mind would be too big for the entirety of CC Corp's ENTIRE NETWORK to contain. Za Warudo collects human data (both to feed to Aura, to create AI's, and to trap humans) through some sort of paranormal psychic phenomena, because the basic laws of physics are being broken. Another example being that when Tsukasa's life support is pulled, his PC, which has no digital uplink to his life support, feels cardiac arrest, and he's able to magically find his way back to his body after he's dumped out of Net Slum. I don't care what Sci-Fi jargon you use, this is explicitly supernatural/magical/whatever. And like I said before, the only people who are able to get sucked into the game are those who are "into" it. The thing that saved Mai Minase was her inattenativeness and her distraction by real life responsibilities. She wasn't "into" Za Warudo, which caused her mind to be distracted, allowing her musical training to pick up the note and alert her.

Hence why I said the "gate" thing. Unlike a coma (or as far as I've seen) Tokio is "really" in Za Warudo. There isn't a body comatose anywhere and I believe the only way you can "teleport" to Za Warudo is mental illusion. But it might be that I missed that part, that Tokio is in a coma and I didn't notice it.

Za Warudo can be manipulated so easily because it's "not real." You can hack it, change it, rearrange it, etc, because it's data. But what if the real world was just sensations and ideas? It should be just as easy to delete a mere physical body.

And we do know psychic powers exist in .hack, since Emma had them.

[Keyaki]

With Link and Epitaph of Twilight, we have a physical disappearance that can't be overlooked,

i guess, sort-of exaggerated

And we do know psychic powers exist in .hack, since Emma had them.

I thought she only went through some kind of super-natural phenomena while she in hospitalized

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Seeing this, I smell a new topic, in the off topic region.

[AuraTwilight]

I thought she only went through some kind of super-natural phenomena while she in hospitalized

Which was pretty much a precognitive vision. I mean, what else would inspire the writing of the Epitaph of Twilight? She sees the events of IMOQ, misinterprets it or takes creative license, writes the Epitaph of Twilight, dies before completing it to allow for free will, and Harald makes a game out of it, basically making the Epitaph of Twilight a prophecy. IMO, Emma caused Harald's actions, which caused Emma's vision, which caused Harald's actions, etc. etc.

I rule.

[wave killer]

I always thought it was mind uploading. Like Za Warudo used some form of hypnosis to force the player into believing he or she is actually dying, and according to what you've explained, maybe Za Warudo used this moment in Tsukasa's case to "transfer" her/his mind into an inorganic body, like their PC for example. But this is just me, I'm only trying to sort some things out.

But how would that work? There's no electrodes connected to the brain to read the thought data of a player, and mind uploading would just make a copy of the mind, not move it. Furthermore, the data of a human mind would be too big for the entirety of CC Corp's ENTIRE NETWORK to contain. Za Warudo collects human data (both to feed to Aura, to create AI's, and to trap humans) through some sort of paranormal psychic phenomena, because the basic laws of physics are being broken. Another example being that when Tsukasa's life support is pulled, his PC, which has no digital uplink to his life support, feels cardiac arrest, and he's able to magically find his way back to his body after he's dumped out of Net Slum. I don't care what Sci-Fi jargon you use, this is explicitly supernatural/magical/whatever. And like I said before, the only people who are able to get sucked into the game are those who are "into" it. The thing that saved Mai Minase was her inattenativeness and her distraction by real life responsibilities. She wasn't "into" Za Warudo, which caused her mind to be distracted, allowing her musical training to pick up the note and alert her.

Hence why I said the "gate" thing. Unlike a coma (or as far as I've seen) Tokio is "really" in Za Warudo. There isn't a body comatose anywhere and I believe the only way you can "teleport" to Za Warudo is mental illusion. But it might be that I missed that part, that Tokio is in a coma and I didn't notice it.

Za Warudo can be manipulated so easily because it's "not real." You can hack it, change it, rearrange it, etc, because it's data. But what if the real world was just sensations and ideas? It should be just as easy to delete a mere physical body.

And we do know psychic powers exist in .hack, since Emma had them.

I see. Well, I thank you for clearing that up for me. But I still dislike //LINK.

I rule.

That you do.

[AuraTwilight]

I see. Well, I thank you for clearing that up for me. But I still dislike //LINK.

Me too. If I could, I'd go back in time and permanently silence the guy who suggested LINK. Possibly with my privates, depending on his physical appearance.

[iuliathe3rd]

And we do know psychic powers exist in .hack, since Emma had them.

And in what source was such a thing stated?

[AuraTwilight]

I thought she only went through some kind of super-natural phenomena while she in hospitalized

Which was pretty much a precognitive vision. I mean, what else would inspire the writing of the Epitaph of Twilight? She sees the events of IMOQ, misinterprets it or takes creative license, writes the Epitaph of Twilight, dies before completing it to allow for free will, and Harald makes a game out of it, basically making the Epitaph of Twilight a prophecy. IMO, Emma caused Harald's actions, which caused Emma's vision, which caused Harald's actions, etc. etc.

I rule.

Connecting the dots. That, and there's already a precedent of psychic abilities existing. Mai seems to have a form of clairaudience, Subaru apparently has an empathic connection to Tsukasa, Atoli's general wierdness, I could go on.

[DotHack-Haseo]

Sucks that I haven't read this yet. I haven't found the time to look for scans yet. I know it's good though from what I hear.

[Keyaki]

Sucks that I haven't read this yet. I haven't found the time to look for scans yet. I know it's good though from what I hear.

uh, GOOD!?!!, are you sure your talking about LINK???

[AuraTwilight]

Sucks that I haven't read this yet. I haven't found the time to look for scans yet. I know it's good though from what I hear.

Are you from the Bizarro Universe?

[Kerath]

Ok, first of all I must say I have REALLY tried to like this manga but I just can't. *Likes* The re-appearance of kite, and the reappearance of haseo.
Dislikes Tokio looks like the guy from digimon. The events in this manga seem almost completely random, this is something I would expect from a poorly written fanfiction much less a .hack manga. It's pretty much like somebody ripped the whole "story" part from .hack and replaced it with mindless scenes.

[Akasu]

I really like how Azure Flame Kite's back, but I don't like Tokio though. Plus, the whole story doesn't seem very.......(.hack?)
Then, if Tokio is suppose to be the next "key of twilight" in my opinion, then WHERE'S CUBIA??????

[wave killer]

Sucks that I haven't read this yet. I haven't found the time to look for scans yet. I know it's good though from what I hear.

Are you from the Bizarro Universe?

Must be, how else can someone like it? Unless he's one of those "All explosions, little story" types.

I really like how Azure Flame Kite's back, but I don't like Tokio though. Plus, the whole story doesn't seem very.......(.hack?)
Then, if Tokio is suppose to be the next "key of twilight" in my opinion, then WHERE'S CUBIA??????

Despite what everyone may think, I really don't like Azure Kite returning in LINK. It just seems odd to place him in the same setting along with Kite. And Tokio. . . well, just about every .hack fan hates him.

And if Cubia does return, which seems possible at these rates, I hope he's in his human form from XXXX. That Cubia owns the others any day.