Philosophy debate of Religion, and Science

[Keyaki]

He is not Jesus, but he comes back as him to trick people when the world would need a savior. That how I see things. When that times comes I think that when people we be force to get Verichip, or die. Look up RFID chip, or Verichip up on youtube. That can explain my points better.

Okay I'm sorry

Did you just say: "Trick"??!

[TheSorrow]

My mind instantly made a connection between "trick" and "trap" just now, and as a result I got an image of the Antichrist being a really cute trap.

Best deceit ever. No wonder he's going to "trick" us all into following him and adoring him.

Also, is it just me, or does zaseo almost always changes the topic to something else, usually related to whatever cospiracy theory exists, all while avoiding to reply the actual debating topics? Not like i have much to say about it since i'm not part of this debate at all...but, i just had to point it out.

[zaseo]

Later I have. I can't stop thinking about the possibility of it.

[Azure Knight]

My mind instantly made a connection between "trick" and "trap" just now, and as a result I got an image of the Antichrist being a really cute trap.

Best deceit ever. No wonder he's going to "trick" us all into following him and adoring him.

Also, is it just me, or does zaseo almost always changes the topic to something else, usually related to whatever cospiracy theory exists, all while avoiding to reply the actual debating topics? Not like i have much to say about it since i'm not part of this debate at all...but, i just had to point it out.

Yup. He also never answered my question.

Not only that, but his way of thinking basically means that he thinks the Bible/Christianity has been altered, and he uses things he thinks are facts from the Bible/Christianity to back that up. I see a very basic problem right there. But, yeah, I'm not sure of the exact wording, but doesn't it say something in regards to God will kill anyone who tries to alter it?

This is pretty much why I asked that previous question. Zaseo seems to use the parts of the Bible that support his arguments, while ignoring the parts that contradict his arguments, and when we call him out on it, he covers for himself by saying that those parts of the Bible were changed, then changes the subject and goes on about how spanish uses the letter ñ because the Illuminati likes squiggly lines or something like that.

So, zaseo, I'll ask you my question again, but I'll rephrase it. And for the record, I know you're Christian, so you don't have to restate that. Do you believe the Bible to be true?

[zaseo]

The trick thing was a question? I do believe in the bible, but my mind is cautious on some stuff. I'm broken between what is the truth, and whats not. Trick, deception, a society trap leads to a similar thing right? Things seem different when I read more modern versions, or though a different language. Did I explain everything there?

[zaseo]

Your point is taken. I have fate in God, but I question many things in on this earth. I have been thinking about questions like were did the term Christian come from, is the great name Yahshua, etc? The Romans were known for Paganism at first. It feels as if parts of it was mix together. I'm not trying to reject the Holy Book, but I'm confused about many things.

[Tolby]

I always figured only morons would fall for the anti-Christ, especially since you know its coming. But a trap.. my soul would be miles closer to being damned.

[zaseo]

Us Humans aren't prefect, but in the end our faith can save us. Satan does have a trap for people. He has got to get people to follow somehow. I rather suffer a painful death on earth than have my soul rest in internal bane for fire. I'm starting to have views of a Jew mix with a SDA. Despite me screwing all most every post up lately I'm learning at the same time. I have faith in Yahweh, and his son Yahshua. I shall get some sleep it is early on the Sabbath in my timezone right now.

[AuraTwilight]

By the way, according to the Bible, no one, not even the faithful, will know who the Serpent is before he takes control of the world, and that everyone except the faithful will love him. Which means that if you suspect someone of being the Serpent, you've already proven he can't be. And if any non-Christians dislike the person, they can't be.

So, no, Obama, nor anyone else who's ever lived, is the Serpent (which is not the Anti-Christ. There's no singular Anti-Christ, but anti-christs, which are ordinary people who actively hate Jesus instead of simply not believing in him).

Also, Zaseo, you are technically a heretic. You possess the qualities of a false prophet according to Corinthians, and so you shall know eternal hellfire, because adding your own interpretations to the bible, and writing off parts of it as false in the way you're doing, is Biblically the only unforgivable sin. So...enjoy your hellfire, heathen.

[zaseo]

We won't know who he is, but humans do already worship him. When he does take over that when we shall find out.

What qualities of a false prophet do I have? When anyone reads the bible they get their interpretations of it. In a way wouldn't we all be guilty of that. A heretic means someone who free thinks, or reject what they believe right? As humans we can misinterpret the bible. Right now I'm just trying to get facts straight so I hopefully won't end in a internal bane of hellfire. I will continue to search for my truth. I may do it in the wrong way, but I will get things straight.

In a thread about religion, and science things like this are bound to to show up.

God's church isn't a corrupt one. Humans can corrupt their own church, but not God's church. I don't want to get God's rules mix up with human rules.

[zaseo]

What do you mean "People already worship him"? Are you randomly making things up again?

Furthermore, it's blasphemy in of itself that you believe yourself capable of understanding what is God's true nature and what humans have affected. Honestly, if you want to consider yourself a Christian, maybe you should actually try reading the book your religion bases itself off of. From the way you talk, I gather you have only had other people tell you what was in it and looked up some things from it online. Because when you aren't getting things wrong or making no sense, you are contradicting or going directly against what is stated in the bible.

If anything, that would make you yourself an antichrist.

I not randomly making up that people worship Satan. You do have some Satanics out, and there is Satanic base books that don't deal with conspiracy theories. I do read the book, and most of the things I have come up with is how I interpret it such as the Sabbath being Saturday, and masturbation being a sin. I just don't trust many of the things that go on church. Well from previous post it may seem like it but I don't understand God's true nature. I want to find out.

[zaseo]

Antichrist does mean enemy of Christ, but people tend to refer to the "ultimate" Antichrist most of the time. When I refer to the term Satanic I refer to the ones who believe in him, and accept that God is real, but hates him. I still think some of that Satanism is in some music.

I know it is annoying that I keep bringing this up, but some music artist show strong signs of the Freemasons, and the other stuff. Maybe it is just for show, but why would someone make a song call Lucifer? I going to test the song out by Jay-Z to see if it really has a hidden message, but still Lucifer. Look at what he is saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usg_VHiQjjo

In Ecclesiastes 3:15 it states "That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past."

This means that God wants us to know history, and that the same things has occur for years. As time goes by they happen more. Rather or not music has subliminal messages the others one are clear. In the USA the average kid of this generation will emulate who ever they see on tv. What is out in the media today is corrupting the minds of the generation. This is why I'm very picky with the music I listen to.

We don't know the day but in Rev 16:16 you know the end is coming. It would not shock me if it happened soon. I will live my life, and keep the Holy Trinity close to my heart. If Satan takes over the world I shall accept death, and live in Heaven on Earth.

[Azure Knight]

In the USA the average kid of this generation will emulate who ever they see on tv. What is out in the media today is corrupting the minds of the generation. This is why I'm very picky with the music I listen to.

Kids will emulate characters they see on TV. Fictional characters and the media are totally unrelated, unless the kids pretending to be Brian Williams now, or the cast of CSI: Miami is doing the news at 11. Music is also unrelated to the media. You're trying to connect 3 totally different types of possible subliminal messaging and pass it off as one idea.

[Azure Knight]

Hence my use of the word "possible".

[Azure Knight]

No, I understand. I was just stating that what you said was the reason why I used the word, if that makes any sense.

[zaseo]

OK I will stop. Adding on to what I was explaining earlier with Ecclesiastes 3:15 there is history behind everything. As long as there has been Judaism there has been evil in the world. We know that Christianity was a threat to the Roman empire. In order to save his empire Constantine had converted, or at least said he became a Christian. Constantine more than likely put some Pagan traditions in Christianity. He also had Christians go to church on Sunday.

In Leviticus 16:31 "It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever." Constantine figure since Jesus rose up on Sunday people would accept that as the Sabbath. These event occur in this order. Good Friday, Sabbath, and the day he rose. Jesus was a Jew, and going off the Jewish calendar Sunday is the first day of the week. Jesus would rest on the Sabbath because in Mark 2:27-28 "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath; Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Reading the history books we know the Roman Catholic was known for corruption. Martin Luther had split the church because of that reason. During the Enlightenment era people broke away from the church to start their on. Humans are Humans so in the branches that were formed there will be corruption in those as well. Humans corrupt their own church, but not Gods church.

As far as the Mark of the Beast it may or may not be a chip, but it must be symbolic for something.

[zaseo]

Should we be vegans?

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be meat.

Considering people eat meat as a child, and it is a favorite for many it would be hard to give up.

[Azure Knight]

No. It says somewhere, I believe in Leviticus, to never boil a calf in its mother's milk, implying it's okay to eat the calf.

[GyppyGirl2021]

Love how he quotes Genesis when everything from then is pretty much overruled afterward.

Also, pretty much all the Old Testament dietary laws are overruled in the New Testament. How come Christians are allowed to eat pork, hmm?

[AuraTwilight]

Should we be vegans?

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be meat.

Considering people eat meat as a child, and it is a favorite for many it would be hard to give up.

You're an idiot. The statement in question says nothing about not eating meat, only that mankind has the right to eat every herb on the planet.

Besides, it is literally not possible for every human to live on a vegan or vegetarian diet.