What level is Tsukasa?

[destai]

Hmm, but what about the line Maha "says" to Tsukasa, Tsukasa replies in tone with, "My heart? I see, a level like this isn't worth being protected." He had tp be far past level 5 for Maha and Morganna, to encourage him to not use the Guardian.

That could mean anything. Tsukasa could have meant his level was so low it was pathethic. "I see a level this pathethic isnt worth protecting". I dont remember Morganna encouraging him not to use the guradian. It was usually her encouraging him to use it and Mimiru and Bear encouraging him to avoid using it. And you cant really use anything Macha says as evidence simply because Macha doesnt say anything. All you can do is speculate his messages. But whatever way you look at it, if Tsukasa had high levels he's have actually been able to do something when the guardian turned on him in the last few episodes. You think he wouldnt have at the very least tried to blow that thing out of the water when it attacked Subaru?

[Xu Yuan]

As we see through out the series his fear and reservations stopped him from taking action. We don't see him fight often, but the fight with Ginkan, the one with the four PKKer's, and the "boss" in Party, he each survives their hit's though regardless if it was only one hit. The girl's must have been pretty powerful to be PKKer's, Ginkan as a captain, must have been far past level 5. For a time Tsukasa is able to withstand him. The boss in Party wasn't menat to be fought by newbies, as even Bear has trouble against it. Though you do make a good point. Anything Macha says is only speculation.

[destai]

As we see through out the series his fear and reservations stopped him from taking action. We don't see him fight often, but the fight with Ginkan, the one with the four PKKer's, and the "boss" in Party, he each survives their hit's though regardless if it was only one hit. The girl's must have been pretty powerful to be PKKer's, Ginkan as a captain, must have been far past level 5. For a time Tsukasa is able to withstand him. The boss in Party wasn't menat to be fought by newbies, as even Bear has trouble against it.

So what your basically saying is Tsukasa defended himself in those fights as long as he did if he was such a low level right? Well I think thats a good observation but I have to argue against it in that both the animes (roots&sign) cant be taken seriously in how they portray the gameplay of "the World".

They've adapted it so that the anime looks like a real life fight as opposed to a person playing a videogame. You follow me thus far? Even when the characters talk there faces always depict they're mood offline, Always. Though I think its fair to say the players arent constantly typing /depressed & /suprised & /angry. Sure often enough maybe but they dont always do it. Well the point Im getting at is in the case of these fights like with the charcters depicting emotions they've been adapted to the anime so that its like real life in a way that wouldnt make alot of sense if the world was a real game. Sure Tsukasa defended himself against a few of Ginkans attacks but that was just the scene in action. Its probably fair to say he could not have won.

Come to think of it even when I play the .hack// videogames when I hit a monster, even one that low level it often hit for 0 damage in the first two hits, maybe three, then I hit a strong strike and knock it out.

[Xu Yuan]

Hmm, is it the games that do not accurately portray? Or is it the shows? There's an answer somewhere between the two point's but I guess thee's nothng else to go on, at this point everyone is entitled ot their own opinion, I suppose I'm done arguing sorry about that.

[Kuukai]

Hmm, but what about the line Maha "says" to Tsukasa, Tsukasa replies in tone with, "My heart? I see, a level like this isn't worth being protected." He had tp be far past level 5 for Maha and Morganna, to encourage him to not use the Guardian.

They're not talking about game level, but about inner strength:
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My translation:
"Mother... Are you upset?"
*Macha speaks*
"But, that thing, that thing is bad! It's supposed to be my guardian, but it just ignores me and does what it wants... It scares me... No! Don't take it away! (Me) Getting hurt by others is even worse!"
*Macha*
"What? Me? It's because I'm weak?"
*Macha*
"My... heart? I see... The way I am I'm not worth protecting... Mother, that's what you're saying?"

Or something like that... Nothing to do with levels, just with the strength and value of his heart...

[Xu Yuan]

Ah... so it's referring to tell9ing him to stand up on his own two feet? Is that it? Accursed english tranlation the line after that in the english version compared to "

But, that thing, that thing is bad! It's supposed to be my guardian, but it just ignores me and does what it wants... It scares me... No! Don't take it away! (Me) Getting hurt by others is even worse!"

This is it dubbed, "That thing's supposed to be my guardian but it does things without listening to my order's. No, please don't take it away! I hate the thought of you giving it away to someone else even more!" I always found that line... odd...

[Kuukai]

Actually, that's probably right...　-_-;;　I was being stupid and thinking that was passive when it isn't, which gives the verb "yaru" a completely different meaning... Sorry, didn't get much sleep... ^^;

I'm pretty sure the rest of that my translation though... Their might be too, but I was just trying to give the context, and I don't have access to the English version...

[AuraTwilight]

some characters did mention that Tsukasa was using his Guardian to beat monsters so he could level up. So, I won't deny that theory, it sounds very plausible.

Yea, but those players also thought that Tsukasa's monster was some new skill for Wavemasters. I'd take anything they said with a grain of salt.

As for the inaccuracy of fights, I'm staying by the theory that Tsukasa, in his state in Sign, completely transcended his game stats, relying on physical endurance instead of hit points and such.

[Kuukai]

Mia still has hitpoints though, so I'm nost sure I'd go that far... Tsukasa was still a PC, and still bound by the numerical rules of the game... I think...

[AuraTwilight]

Yea, but Mia was under the impression that she was a normal player, so when her hitpoints ran out, she was probably "suggested" (to use Aura's words) to think she died ingame. Tsukasa had gnostic knowledge that he was beyond the game's limits, and could thus screw with them. After all, he could trip, smell, touch, and do all sorts of things other PCs can't do. I think it's plausible for Tsukasa to continue fighting even after his hitpoints hit zero if he was, physically, ok and still believed he could go on.

As for Mia, I don't believe she could smell, taste, feel, etc. and thus transcend the system because, being an AI, she doesn't know what any of that is like. Just like she doesn't understand any sort of fighting outside of the battle system, and thus can't help but believe that she's lost when her hitpoints have hit zero. Tsukasa is able to use his other senses and transcend the limits because he's treating the World like Earth, and using that anthroposophic Liminality jazz. (Of course, warping without a Chaos Gate and using the Guardian and stuff was Morganna's doing. Don't bug me about it.)

[Kuukai]

In XXXX (I know it's not canonical, I'm just having trouble thinking of anything else since I just read it) Mia can smell. I think that even in the games Mia has a sense of touch, though, based on that scene when Kite touches her... I also think that Mia's knowledge of gate hacking and data drain, and her ability to see and knows things that go beyond the game's normal limits, don't seem to go along with her disbelieving she's "in" the game to the point of being a "normal" player.

Edit: Also, Mia cries in Unison...

[Lord Shadow]

my veiw is that tsukasa doesnt have a level, acording to his circumstances. if he does have a level, it isnt even important, concidering that he can do so many other things that normal players cant, he may not have been a strong player to fight monsters and other players, but he eventually got his gardian in order so that he didnt need to fight. what would be the need?

[AuraTwilight]

In XXXX (I know it's not canonical, I'm just having trouble thinking of anything else since I just read it) Mia can smell. I think that even in the games Mia has a sense of touch, though, based on that scene when Kite touches her... I also think that Mia's knowledge of gate hacking and data drain, and her ability to see and knows things that go beyond the game's normal limits, don't seem to go along with her disbelieving she's "in" the game to the point of being a "normal" player.

Edit: Also, Mia cries in Unison...

Well....maybe so, but in XXXX, Cubia can take human form too, so really that's up in the air. I'd like for her to be able to maintain SOME illusion of a real player. And my theory is just so gosh darned awesome D: Even if she can touch and smell, it doesn't really contradict my theory, since she's still believing she's in the game and bound by the systems rules, where if she was self aware, she could get up after hitting 0 hitpoints like Tsukasa probably could. As for Mia's crying, they got emotes for that.

my veiw is that tsukasa doesnt have a level, acording to his circumstances. if he does have a level, it isnt even important, concidering that he can do so many other things that normal players cant, he may not have been a strong player to fight monsters and other players, but he eventually got his gardian in order so that he didnt need to fight. what would be the need?

I believe the stats were THERE, but he didn't have to listen to them.

[Kuukai]

Well....maybe so, but in XXXX, Cubia can take human form too, so really that's up in the air.

Yes, though that's not completely unrelated as it's supposedly seen in the Cubia Core in the games... XXXX doesn't really change the "setting" as far as I know, Piros isn't a teenager, Elk isn't assertive, it seems like enough is true to all versions of the story for facts like how Mia is a Vagrant AI to stay the same...

Even if she can touch and smell, it doesn't really contradict my theory, since she's still believing she's in the game and bound by the systems rules, where if she was self aware, she could get up after hitting 0 hitpoints like Tsukasa probably could.

But if believing she's a player makes her unable to do things players can't do, smelling/touching makes no sense...

As for Mia's crying, they got emotes for that.

Wasn't she crying uncontrollably?

I believe the stats were THERE, but he didn't have to listen to them.

Then why does Morganna?

[Xu Yuan]

Mia says a strange line that hint's toward her being an NPC "The barrier's are lifted they're all gone! We can go back and forth freely now... Isn't that wonderful..."

I always thought this as the phases are free to start screwing up the internet. As in The World they cause corruption where ever they go, what would they do to the internet? A strange thought...

[CRtwenty]

Mia says a lot of weird thing. When you replay the games after knowing what she is, it's very obvious that she's an AI.

[AuraTwilight]

Yes, though that's not completely unrelated as it's supposedly seen in the Cubia Core in the games... XXXX doesn't really change the "setting" as far as I know, Piros isn't a teenager, Elk isn't assertive, it seems like enough is true to all versions of the story for facts like how Mia is a Vagrant AI to stay the same...

True.

But if believing she's a player makes her unable to do things players can't do, smelling/touching makes no sense...

I'm not saying it makes her unable to do things players can't do, it just means she THINKS she can't. So I guess she can still smell or touch and just not realize that other players don't have that ability.

Wasn't she crying uncontrollably?

Can still be emoted.

Then why does Morganna?

She doesn't until Kite data drains her Phases. Then again, one COULD say that Maha's data draining is what makes Mia obey the system when Tsukasa was Data Drained with the explict purpose of transcending it.

[CRtwenty]

Morganna, being The World itself had not statistics. At least not in the game sense. However the Phases, being creatures in the game did.

Anyway, Tsukasa was more or less transformed into a Vagrant AI. If people like Rumor or Rin from AI Buster 2 have statistics, I don't see why Tsukasa would be any different. Personally I'd say he was a WaveMaster of low to moderate level, probably no higher then level 20-30.

[AuraTwilight]

Morganna, being The World itself had not statistics. At least not in the game sense. However the Phases, being creatures in the game did.

Yea, and the Phases ARE Morganna.

Anyway, Tsukasa was more or less transformed into a Vagrant AI. If people like Rumor or Rin from AI Buster 2 have statistics, I don't see why Tsukasa would be any different. Personally I'd say he was a WaveMaster of low to moderate level, probably no higher then level 20-30.

Saying Tsukasa became a Vagrant AI is like saying Maha turned into a player. But that's not the point. I know what you mean. Anyway, I don't think Rin had statistics, and Rumor is kind've up in the air because his Ice spell could be no different than Zefie opening the cell door she and Shugo were trapped in. There's simply not enough information to draw a conclusion about him. But I just can't see Tsukasa being a high level whatsoever. I'm just gonna go with the theory that the AI Tsukasa is a reflection of Tsukasa's data at the time of his initial Data Draining pre-Episode 1

[CRtwenty]

The Phases are sort of Morganna, but not exactly. I mean Macha was able to rebel to an extent and defy Morganna's wishes. Something that would have been impossible if she was indeed just a piece of Morganna. I always saw them as seperate entities under Morganna's control.