Quantum Trailer

[Kuukai]

The only character design that I've gone "wut?" at is Smith's. When I look at it, I think Piros the 3rd with a Robocop head.

It makes sense though. Piroshi's body was part of the game, but his head was made out of his Glorious Custom Mighty One-Of-A-Kind Aftermarket Power-Steering Lovely Challenging Transcontinental Perfect Beautiful Graphics.

Shamrock's forehead is HUGE. It's reminding me of several characters with huge forehead but what's sticking out most in my mind is Yai from MMBN.

It's only a handeko. If she went full deko we'd all be doomed.

Sakuya, Mary and Tobias, plus Hermit though IMO he doesn't count? Yeah, that's "alot", considering i'm also referring to all the PCs you can see in the market D: Most, if not all of them, look lke R:2 PCs, such like Flamberge, girl-with-blue-kimono (forgot her name XD), and a hat-less purple Syake, among others...looks more like the trio of main characters are the exception of them all.

For any non-returning character an R:2 look makes sense since R:X uses the same class system, though some of them still look R:1-ish to me. But why wouldn't you count Hermit, who's clearly based on Mia? Anyway, four out of the ten actual returning characters we've seen are R:1 characters. Making any assumptions that it'll be mostly R:2 at this point is like tossing a coin four times, getting tails once, and being like "IT'LL USUALLY BE HEADS." It's possible there's some underlying scheme like Yata Mirror being based on Haseo's group, but we really won't know for a while...

So why exactly do some of these characters have common American names, in a Japanese OVA?

I think this is actually more of a real pattern at this point than the R:2 thing, and I don't know. Globalization? Even Sakuya's name is in katakana. Aside from Hermit and Shamrock probably, everyone is using a real name name too (not necessarily their name, but still a real name, something your kid wouldn't get beat up for if you named them). While everything else has changed, character naming in The World has been a pretty consistent mixture until now, so I wonder if they'll explain it... I mean, we haven't seen a naming scheme that looked like this since, well, AIDA.

[iuliathe3rd]

It makes sense though. Piroshi's body was part of the game, but his head was made out of his Glorious Custom Mighty One-Of-A-Kind Aftermarket Power-Steering Lovely Challenging Transcontinental Perfect Beautiful Graphics.

Yeah, I definitely had that thought later on, that Smith's design is probably more normal for The World and Piros is an exception. It'll still take some getting used to though.

You know what I'd really like? Another trailer that has some of the voice work in it. I'd really like to hear how some of the characters are going to sound.

[Kuukai]

That's part of the reason I posted ANN links for all the VAs in the news. It's not as good as another trailer, but if you want to you can get an idea of what they'll sound like...

[iuliathe3rd]

Yeah, I saw that you did that, and I might just have to go that route if I get too impatient...

[Tolby]

Piros the third is based on Piros, but that doesn't make him an R1 character. Although the color scheme, catness and overall character is clearly linked to Mia/Macha, I think he really qualifies as an RX character, over an R1 or any other.

[Kuukai]

Who said Smith was an R:1 design? Even though there are some drastic changes he's clearly based on an R:2 character, just like how Hermit is based on an R:1 character...

[GyppyGirl2021]

Piros the third is based on Piros, but that doesn't make him an R1 character. Although the color scheme, catness and overall character is clearly linked to Mia/Macha, I think he really qualifies as an RX character, over an R1 or any other.

...Would you mind explaining yourself in a way that makes sense?

[Tolby]

Who said Smith was an R:1 design? Even though there are some drastic changes he's clearly based on an R:2 character, just like how Hermit is based on an R:1 character...

No one did, I was referring to Hermit.

I was in a hurry and couldn't remember the names. I tried to work around that, making myself unclear. Sorry.

I was saying Piros the Third is an R2 character based on an R1 character. But he is different enough that he is an R2 design. And Hermit is an RX character based... around an R1 character. I wouldn't include him in the "Returning R1 designs" because he is too different from Mia or Macha. Different enough to be an RX design.

[Kuukai]

Piros the 3rd isn't really "based on" Piros, he's just made by the same player. Like Nala and Yata. Aside from proportions, I don't think the two Piros's have much in common.

And all of the major-looking characters we've seen so far in Quantum are R:X characters based on R:1 or R:2 designs, not just Hermit. Sakuya certainly isn't an R:1 character. So I'm still not sure I understand what you're saying...

[Tolby]

Piros is the only character... probably in all of R2 (at least that I can think of) with that big proportion and armor type to resemble the R1 heavy axeman.

And all of the major-looking characters we've seen so far in Quantum are R:X characters based on R:1 or R:2 designs, not just Hermit. Sakuya certainly isn't an R:1 character. So I'm still not sure I understand what you're saying...

Yes, I understand that. What I mean to say is all the other characters seem to be RX characters in R1/R2 costumes. Where Hermit seems more like an original design. His size (Smith is still large and Piros like, Kite is still small and agile, Aina still looks like a little girl), weapon (fish bones. Blackrose still has standard steel large sword, Kite still has standard twin blades, Atoli looked like she had same flower staff), helmet(additional armor no one I've seen has had. A little more than just glasses or a hair scrutchy), satchel just make him seem like his own design. I mean he is a character we are all wondering if he is a NPC or a PC. If he was just a normal player in Mia's clothes I'm pretty sure everyone would assume he is a normal player like everyone else. I guess I'm trying to say although he is clearly based off/around of Mia/Macha it seems more like he is the next iteration in their character, as opposed to someone just cosplaying Mia (although he still has the same body armor, even if it is just generic and the only real thing that tells you it is suppose to be Mia's and not just same generic colored armor is the ring on the neck), which is what it looks like all the other characters are doing for their designs.


As for the new Kite, well.. she is the new Kite. It would make sense for them to try to make her more unique as she is the next installment of Kite. MMake her more unique then Blackrose and Balmung which look pretty much the same, besides things like hair which are part of the RX character, not the armor. Yeah there are other little things, but not as big. She is the main character. She is also a different gender, which is why Alkaid looks more different as well. Or at least who I think was suppose to be Alkaid. Either way she still gives off a very Kite look.


I'm not saying he isn't just a kid playing as Mia, but I understand what Sorrow was saying by asking if he even counted as an R1 character, and I agree. With what we've seen so far.

[GyppyGirl2021]

I think Hermit just looks like a Tu Tribe version of Mia. Like, Phyllo-style.

[Kuukai]

It's still Mia. It's Mia three feet shorter and with some new accessories, but that's not any more different from how Sakuya is Kite but one foot shorter, a woman, with some new accessories and hair. She also has additional equipment on her arm, and it's needless to say her "base" armor has been modified about as heavily as Hermit's. Mary, like Hermit, adds a head accessory, and also has an added piece of shoulder armor. Smith's weapon is totally different from Piros the 3rd's. Take away the extra equipment, stretch Hermit out, and Hermit is pretty much Mia.

Anyway, all that aside, I think we're getting too technical about some arbitrary number of changes that's allowed before you cross some imaginary line. Hermit may be special in that the player might be an AI, but other than that, Hermit is just a new take on an old design, like everyone else. And in this case that design comes from first generation .hack. It's implausible at this point to assume for some reason that most of the designs we'll see are going to be from only the second generation, based only on the ten (or nine if you insist) characters we've seen. And if we happened to see more Hermit-like chibi versions of characters, would none of those count as from .hack or G.U. either?

Piros is the only character... probably in all of R2 (at least that I can think of) with that big proportion and armor type to resemble the R1 heavy axeman.

Like I said that's because they're made by the same person. It's like Elk making blue-haired boys with hats. How many of those are there in G.U.? I mean, I guess he's based on his predecessor the same way Yata or Elk's descendants are, if that's what you were going for...

[Tolby]

It's still Mia. It's Mia three feet shorter and with some new accessories, but that's not any more different from how Sakuya is Kite but one foot shorter, a woman, with some new accessories and hair. She also has additional equipment on her arm, and it's needless to say her "base" armor has been modified about as heavily as Hermit's. Mary, like Hermit, adds a head accessory, and also has an added piece of shoulder armor. Smith's weapon is totally different from Piros the 3rd's. Take away the extra equipment, stretch Hermit out, and Hermit is pretty much Mia.

Anyway, all that aside, I think we're getting too technical about some arbitrary number of changes that's allowed before you cross some imaginary line. Hermit may be special in that the player might be an AI, but other than that, Hermit is just a new take on an old design, like everyone else. And in this case that design comes from first generation .hack. It's implausible at this point to assume for some reason that most of the designs we'll see are going to be from only the second generation, based only on the ten (or nine if you insist) characters we've seen. And if we happened to see more Hermit-like chibi versions of characters, would none of those count as from .hack or G.U. either?

Yes, I understand all that and agree to a point. And I already mentioned Sakuya and gender issues in my previous post. Yes its Mia, but is it someone trying to dress like Mia, or is it Mia/Macha's latest form? With the little info we have its a fair question Sorrow raised about him even counting because of his apparent specialness. It just seems that Hermit is a little more special than the rest. I have no idea it thats true, and if more "chibi" versions of other characters came along then it would actually help me to see Hermit as the redesigned Mia, but as of right now he is the only one and that is another thing that makes him special. Or seem special from what little info we have. I never claimed that most of the designs were from R2, that was Sorrow. I was only claiming that Hermit seemed to be the odd N/PC out of the bunch when it came to the new characters closely resembling R1/R2 characters

Like I said that's because they're made by the same person. It's like Elk making blue-haired boys with hats. How many of those are there in G.U.? I mean, I guess he's based on his predecessor the same way Yata or Elk's descendants are, if that's what you were going for...

I'd rather cite Piros than Endrance because Piros the third is just an upgraded/new Piros. Where Endrance is more of an evolved/grown up version of Elk and is far more different. Plus Endrance had an armor type seen on other characters, with just made much more unique because he was a story character and not just background fodder. A lot of the main characters had very unique appearance because they are story characters, but their clothes/design gave off a complete R2 feel where as Piros (And Natsume) where clearly altered PCs of their R1 forms. Altered enough to appear R2, but clearly taken from their R1 characters. Which go with what I am trying to say about Hermit. That he is clearly taken from R1 character, but may be altered enough in the new feel/design to feel like an RX character on his own. In other words I could see him in Quantum even if Quantum had a whole new set of characters where no one resemble no one from the past, except new forms. Not just people playing dress up or winning special character costumes. This also applied for Sakuya. Which is why I think beforehand some people where disappointment in the new Blackrose and Balmung because they looked so similar to previous designs, and Sakuya seemed to be the only one with actual new/RX design.


And Yata? Yata is nothing like Wiseman. Nor really is Nala, other than their hair and skin color.. I'm talking about a link with the past character design, not a link to the player. Though since we are talking about Mia, that line can be confusing.

[(Phantom) Thief]

Piros changed his name to Smith? I’m not a person for coincidences. How likely does this have to do with the time data? We haven't seen all the names but I don't believe Iyoten or Aina were famous enough to warrant a second. CC2 could be aiming for nostalgia though.

[KaotinShadows]

Nothing says it is the same old players, too.

[Kyero Fox]

Man, I would totally lol if they made Alkaid a man in this one.

THIS. It needs to happen. And it's likely to be true. 8D

waitWAT?!
You're kidding, right? RIGHT?! >_<

No more gender swapping for the characters, please D:

Me = Hates Alkaid
Alkaid = Favorite character of all the (most of them annoying) G.U. fanboys
Male Alkaid = All those G.U. fanboys screaming "WHYYYYYYYYYY" while ragequitting and stuffz
Me = Happy

IT'S ALL IN THE MATH 8DD lolthat'snomath

And yeah, gender swapping characters isn't exactly the best thing i'd like to see...though honestly, i didn't even want to see reused characters to begin with, and i'll still await for the logic/reasonable explanation as of why they have to look like the older protagonist and not like Ninjato or Syake >->; But well, if they're going to be reusing the designs, then at least make them amusing...such like making Alkaid now a male character XDDD

Ya know whats more annoying? people bitching and moaning about a characters popularity, So sorry more people like her than your favorite character ;_;

btw, Paul is a the biggest faggot in Tekken Hworange ftw **** i will never be able to memorize his name XD

1. I doubtt it will even be Alkaid
2. if it is her she'll be a girl
3. Because the only person genderbend is kite and its not even Kite him self just another.. whats his fac- oh yea Shugo..

EDIT: and yes, I'm just teasing you guys. and yea =\ im a alkaid fanboy, but not like the most of them.

[(Phantom) Thief]

Piros changed his name to Smith? I’m not a person for coincidences. How likely does this have to do with the time data? We haven't seen all the names but I don't believe Iyoten or Aina were famous enough to warrant a second. CC2 could be aiming for nostalgia though.

I want a return on that question. Perhaps it has more to do with a limit construction?

[Kuukai]

What KaotinShadows said, we don't know who they are...

[(Phantom) Thief]

The answer is will be the same, but for the record I'm asking what they might be not who?

EDIT: Here's an image. I still think its either the system or the users. (Points to Klarinette Design)

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6561 ... ddawjp.jpg.

[iuliathe3rd]

I figure this is the best place to say this...

There's a new 30 second trailer out (click here). But unfortunately I fail at actually being able to see it so I ask of thee, forums: Someone post it on YouTube or something please, I want more Quantum. @_@

EDIT: Oh, there's also like a comic called Quantum Plus, I think, that was announced. I'm not sure on all the details of that though.