is tri-edge working with cubia?

bredan · Post by **bredan** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:00 am

it might be possible that there working together because first in the trailer i saw something that looked like cubia the BOOM! tri-edge appaered or it might be cubia that maked tri-edge so it can look like kite so when kite comes they blame it on him.

Dark-wolf · Post by **Dark-wolf** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:16 am

lol you should have put there may be spoilers in the subject.

anyway for all we know so far Tri-edge may BE Cubia

zozoR · Post by **zozoR** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:27 am

Cubia
Morganna could anticipate human behavior and plan ahead. One example of this was Cubia, a monster designed to balance the game against hackers and edited character data.

Cubia was meant to seek out malicious players with illegal abilities or items like the Bracelet and Data Drain them, deleting their PC files. Until Kite received the "Book of Twilight" and the Bracelet, no players fitting this description had appeared, so Cubia had not been seen. Once the Bracelet became active, Cubia sought Kite whenever he came in contact with Aura, because it believed Kite was a threat to the system, to which Aura belonged. Cubia did not attempt to attack Aura or the malfunctioning Morganna because it saw both Morganna and Aura as parts of the game world.

Cubia disappeared when Kite destroyed the Bracelet because the danger to the system was removed and its job was done. Cubia remains in the system, however, and should something new appear that threatens game balance it will launch again. Cubia copied Kite's character data every time it was launched and was able to keep pace with Kite's increasing powers.

Quote from http://home.austin.rr.com/tsote/dothack ... ets_3.html

So i dont think that cubia and tri-edge have anything to do with each other...

I dont think that Haseo is a threat to the system...

DragonoftheEarth · Post by **DragonoftheEarth** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:46 pm

yea cubia cant create so i highly doubt cubia and tri-edge are working together.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:55 pm

Cubia is not a protection program. The Liminality disc is full of bull and contradicts the games on several occassions. Regardless, there may be a connection, but it's probably symbolic like everything else, instead of Tri-Edge working with/being Cubia.

Wiseman B43 · Post by **Wiseman B43** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:40 am

Zozar where did you get that from?! Cubia is the bracelete's opposite and Aura ran because Cubia would've killed her.

Dark-wolf · Post by **Dark-wolf** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:48 pm

actually the info that zozoR gave comes right from the extras on the dothack Liminality dvds.

esca0119 · Post by **esca0119** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:43 pm

Maybe Haseo is a threat to the system. Tri-edge may be another manifestation of Cubia. From his look, I believe he may just be a vagrant AI. That is unlikely though since he seems to play a major role in this. If he is not a player, then he was created by the system. All AIs created by the system have some kind of purpose. But... What is it...?

laysh · Post by **laysh** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:42 pm

Tri-Edge is AI not a player not even helba could do what he did on entering hidden forbidden holyground. She always had the protal rings.

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:15 pm

Maybe Haseo is a threat to the system. Tri-edge may be another manifestation of Cubia.

Even if he was, that wouldn't be enough to activate Cubia. Cubia is awakened when the Bracelet becomes unstable.

From his look, I believe he may just be a vagrant AI. That is unlikely though since he seems to play a major role in this.

Ahem...Lycoris? Vagrant AI's can be just as important to the story, if more so, than the human players.

If he is not a player, then he was created by the system. All AIs created by the system have some kind of purpose. But... What is it...?

not all AI's were made by the system. Look at the Net Slum AI's. Even if they were made by the system, and so was Tri-Edge, if they're Vagrant, they don't have a purpose. To be a Vagrant AI is to be an AI that doesn't belong in the system and thusly has no purpose in it. If an AI has a purpose, it's not Vagrant

Snake · Post by **Snake** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:48 pm

Tri-Edge might be one those mysterious characters from hack. Well you could say Tri-Edge is Cubia but Tri-Edge has something that looks and works like the bracelet then shouldn't Tri-Edge be after by Cubia?

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:08 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:To be a Vagrant AI is to be an AI that doesn't belong in the system and thusly has no purpose in it. If an AI has a purpose, it's not Vagrant

You're changing the terminology to fit your own purposes here. The term "Vagrant AI" was created by the debug team very early on to describe all the AIs that kept appearing in the game. They didn't know where the AIs were coming from, and didn't particularly care, except insofar as the knowledge might help them stop the infestation. They certainly didn't care whether these entities that kept screwing up data had any sort of "purpose in the system"; they were a danger to the stability of the game, and that was all that mattered.

laysh · Post by **laysh** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:58 am

They did know where they were comming from the first Vegrant AIs where failed NPCs that the workers messed up on or didn't work right so they Deleted them but once hackers started to notice them they started to make there own.

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:35 pm

laysh wrote:They did know where they were comming from the first Vegrant AIs where failed NPCs that the workers messed up on or didn't work right so they Deleted them but once hackers started to notice them they started to make there own.

What's your source for that? Here's mine, with translation:

リコリスのような『放浪AI』が、なぜ、どこから発生するのか、原因は不明だ。
CC社の社員であり、システム管理社であり、デバッガーであり、新来とはいえ＜ザ・ワールド＞日本語版の移植に携わった、この度会一詩にもわからない。

It is unknown where Vagrant AIs like Lycoris come from, or why. Even I, Kazushi Watarai, an employee of CC Corp, a system administrator, a debugger, who worked on creating the Japanese version of The World, do not know.
-.hack//AI buster (Japanese edition), page 246

laysh · Post by **laysh** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:34 pm

I get my sorce from the game on what lios said.

Shinsou Wotan · Post by **Shinsou Wotan** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:41 pm

And what exactly did he say, at what point, in which game?

Even if he did say so, he may not have been right. Lios was a bureaucrat, not a programmer. Didn't he also say that all the trouble (data bugs, coma victims, etc.) was the result of heartless hackers spreading viruses in the system?