Philosophy debate of Religion, and Science

[shugo_lover]

The bad thing is when people become greedy.

People have been greedy for eons and there more greedy now then ever before.

That's hard to prove, though, isn't it? If free market capitalism had emerged earlier, enabling people to be greedy the way they can be now, I think they'd have been just as bad.

Good point...

[AuraTwilight]

Or, more likely, everyone has always been as greedy as they are now; it's just easier to act on it now, both because of cultural shifts and because it's easier to accumulate wealth.

[S1lentOp]

Greed has been around since day one. Capitalism just provided an economic justification for it. Money is one of the ways humans can be greedy, but it's not the only way.

[zaseo]

Their are limits, but if enough people wanted to they could screw up the stock market in a short time.

I got a good question. What about divorce? Should I couple (gays as well because it will be legal everywhere soon) divorce, or should be simply choose better dates? The divorce rates are very high in the USA, and many younger people divorce fast.

[Keyaki]

gays as well because it will be legal everywhere soon

You sure about that?

many younger people divorce fast.

That's usually b/c they were stupid enough to think they were ready to marry at a very young age, what do you expect?

[zaseo]

I'm sure. It is apart of the homo agenda for equal rights. The 1st amendment says they have the right, and the 14th amendment wasn't just for slavery, or minority rights. The 14th amendment became a result after the civil war, and it should protect the rights of everyone. (doesn't always happen) Many heteros, and gay freak me out, but by law it is their right to enjoy whatever type of sex they want.

The 1st, and 14th is going to be taken to the Supreme Court. The reason why Obama got the support of gays is because he said, and has put more liberals in the Supreme Court. Right now it is enough to make gay marriage constitutional.

These days some states are requiring fines if someone wants to divorce without going to marriage counseling. I think Las Vegas is a city where people can divorce asap. I know in certain states that people must stay married for at least a year.

[Keyaki]

I'm sure. It is apart of the homo agenda for equal rights. The 1st amendment says they have the right, and the 14th amendment wasn't just for slavery, or minority rights. The 14th amendment became a result after the civil war, and it should protect the rights of everyone. (doesn't always happen) Many heteros, and gay freak me out, but by law it is their right to enjoy whatever type of sex they want.

The 1st, and 14th is going to be taken to the Supreme Court. The reason why Obama got the support of gays is because he said, and has put more liberals in the Supreme Court. Right now it is enough to make gay marriage constitutional.

There is still gonna be that one small group with some people with some powers that will fight tooth and nail against it, so its not that easy to say it outright.

[_Tri-edge_]

I strongly believe gay marriage will eventually pass as being legal in this country very very soon. Despite the majority of people who dislike the idea, there's nothing in the constitution that states marriage needs to be limited to male and female. Although they're gay, they're still Americans, and refusing to give them equal rights upon straight people would be unconstitutional and will be deemed as hypocritical based on the focuses in which this very country was founded on.

[shugo_lover]

So were in the bible does it say that marriage is only for man and woman?

gays as well because it will be legal everywhere soon

It's not here and probaly never will be. I don't get what you problem is with gays, but seriously you need to get over it.

[Kaori]

I'm roman catholic but I do approve of same sex marriages because well I'm

 Bisexual

[Keyaki]

So were in the bible does it say that marriage is only for man and woman?

gays as well because it will be legal everywhere soon

It's not here and probaly never will be. I don't get what you problem is with gays, but seriously you need to get over it.

Don't get me wrong, I think it should be legal as well. I'm just not one to outright predict its out come immediately.

[shugo_lover]

So were in the bible does it say that marriage is only for man and woman?

gays as well because it will be legal everywhere soon

It's not here and probaly never will be. I don't get what you problem is with gays, but seriously you need to get over it.

Don't get me wrong, I think it should be legal as well. I'm just not one to outright predict its out come immediately.

Lol sorry Keyaki I didn't mean to quote you, but some how I did. I was only talking to Zaseo.

I'm roman catholic but I do approve of same sex marriages because well I'm

 Bisexual

Thats kool

[zaseo]

As long as people don't what they do I'm fine with the gays. I don't treat them differently then anyone else. I'm just rather uncomfortable around them, or heteros who do things like sodomy.

To add to the question from your opinion does God accept divorces in marriage?

[Keyaki]

As long as people don't what they do I'm fine with the gays. I don't treat them differently then anyone else. I'm just rather uncomfortable around them, or heteros who do things like sodomy.

To add to the question from your opinion does God accept divorces in marriage?

God's perspective,hard to say; probably obviously no. But in other related parts like the catholic church, they don't condone it.

[zaseo]

I was typing too fast last time. I meant to say as long as they don't do everything in public I'm fine.

By the word of God I don't think divorce is legal. If you get marry like a Christian, Muslim, or Jew with your family, and church there then you're making a promise to God.
I guess one can say when are you considered married. By law I'm not sure everywhere, but if someone stays with you for a year, and they're getting mail sent to that address, then that man, and woman are consider married by law.

One can also bring up the spiritual marriage thing. If I'm not mistaken it is when people are supposed married, but not legally. It like they accept the marriage vows, but don't actual get documents saying that marry. I know I explained it horribly.

[Wan]

I was typing too fast last time. I meant to say as long as they don't do everything in public I'm fine.

By the word of God I don't think divorce is legal. If you get marry like a Christian, Muslim, or Jew with your family, and church there then you're making a promise to God.
I guess one can say when are you considered married. By law I'm not sure everywhere, but if someone stays with you for a year, and they're getting mail sent to that address, then that man, and woman are consider married by law.

One can also bring up the spiritual marriage thing. If I'm not mistaken it is when people are supposed married, but not legally. It like they accept the marriage vows, but don't actual get documents saying that marry. I know I explained it horribly.

Except it is legal just not advised and by paraphrasing it, its usually done under adultery, etc. In some states (I know in Ca and Va for sure), its civil union or some name along those lines that if you live with someone (especially with a different gender) for 6 or more months, you're considering married under law even though no religious practice has been made. I had a friend go through that crap and he lost big time with his gf when she took more than half of his belongings and dough. Ironically he's pretty chill with (maybe it has to do with his marijuana license like mine lulz)...

[Kuukai]

In those cases you aren't married unless you present yourselves as married by doing things like telling everyone you're married, taking the same last name, filing joint taxes, etc. Otherwise you can live with your girlfriend your entire life and never be married under common law in any state.

[Ratsu]

I moved in with my beloved about a year ago, I get my mail there and every thing so is that considered common law? (Though I consider us married as we have been together for over 8 years but that's beside the point I mean legally.)

[marthwmaster]

Here's something I was pondering yesterday. Not sure what to make of it, but I thought it might be worth mentioning here.

If humans are basically good, then why is there so much unfairness in government and corporations? Of course, this is only a reasonable argument should you agree with the premise that there is, in fact, a lot of unfairness in those spheres. If it's true that people are essentially good at heart, as Anne Frank remarkably wrote, I would expect everyone should be more likely to help each other, rather than take advantage of one another. But it seems to me there's a bit of both happening in the world today.

The core philosophy behind conservatism; i.e. "big government" is that people are essentially bad and need to be controlled. But if people are bad, and government and other institutions are run by people, then what? It seems far more likely to me that either A) people can be good, evil or neutral, based on some undetermined factor, or B) "good" and "evil" are not conflicting forces in the Star Wars sense, but merely concepts that others associate with their actions. People do what seems reasonable to them, and others label these actions as good or evil.

[Keyaki]

If humans are basically good, then why is there so much unfairness in government and corporations? Of course, this is only a reasonable argument should you agree with the premise that there is, in fact, a lot of unfairness in those spheres. If it's true that people are essentially good at heart, as Anne Frank remarkably wrote, I would expect everyone should be more likely to help each other, rather than take advantage of one another. But it seems to me there's a bit of both happening in the world today.

Greed and corruption? That's pretty much it.

It seems far more likely to me that either A) people can be good, evil or neutral, based on some undetermined factor, or B) "good" and "evil" are not conflicting forces in the Star Wars sense, but merely concepts that others associate with their actions. People do what seems reasonable to them, and others label these actions as good or evil

That pretty much works. "Good" and "evil" are really ambiguous. What it means depends on the person(s).