Philosophy debate of Religion, and Science

[S1lentOp]

Christ, zaseo. I'm going to need a shovel to clean up all your **** in this thread.

[zaseo]

If your opinion. This is a debate after all, and everyone is going to have different views. I have Christian views, and I think like a conspiracy theorist at times. I hate how the Christian church is manipulate, and divide right now. I sure many people are saying WTF right now at my last post. Some of the info I mistyped, but I think I got my points though.

[Azure Knight]

but I think I got my points though.

Sure, you have points, but they aren't VALID points. Everything you said in your last post seems to be based on assumptions that you've made without any knowledge behind the subjects you're talking about. What proof do you have that the government is trying to control our minds with subliminal messaging? And don't talk like you know how both evolution and the immune system work when you are obviously totally uneducated on either subject. I could start to prove how wrong you are with your views on them, but this is a debate topic, not Biology class.

In a debate, your argument has to be backed up by substantial proof for your argument to really hold any water, and I haven't seen you provide a shred of proof for any of the claims you've made about your conspiracy theories. If you have anything, go ahead and post a link.

[AuraTwilight]

If your opinion. This is a debate after all, and everyone is going to have different views. I have Christian views, and I think like a conspiracy theorist at times.

I'm sorry, perhaps I've been acquainted with a bunch of Christians who were doing it wrong, but what part of the Christian Worldview requires you to need to think like a conspiracy theorist all the time? The two aren't necessarily inclusive, and you can be a Christian without being totally ignorant of the real world.

[zaseo]

Well I consider many of the conspiracy theories a possibility. After some research I won't say they will come true. It something I that just can't ignore. Things like this gets my attention as it relates to the books in the bible. These videos are a bit long so watch on your spare time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJi2HaJf1VI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW43Mig1 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVe3p0vCsxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z89v1gjs ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecCQ9w0qV8k

This videos can clear up some of the things I was trying to explain. The Tupac's song got my attention. He said "Some say they expect Illuminati to take my body asleep." He even has a song called Killuminati. MJ said similar things about the shadow government.

The chip is debatable as well. I don't want a chip for Christian, and personal reasons. I will remain loyal to my views, and die before accepting it. If I can't buy, or sell anything it would be my death. Also with technology these days I want privacy. Who would want to be track all of their life?

[AuraTwilight]

You know the Illuminati isn't real, right? The idea of a worldwide Illuminati conspiracy that controls the world is from a fiction book, similar to how people think there's a real Necronomicon when it was made up by HP Lovecraft.

Also, all these videos were done by idiots because I can see a lot of simple mathematical and logical fallacies. I see poorly done number-crunching, history fail, and the like.

The Tupac's song got my attention. He said "Some say they expect Illuminati to take my body asleep." He even has a song called Killuminati. MJ said similar things about the shadow government.

Tupac was a drug addict and MJ was a child molestor. Why would they know anything, and even if they did, who would listen to them?

The chip is debatable as well. I don't want a chip for Christian, and personal reasons. I will remain loyal to my views, and die before accepting it. If I can't buy, or sell anything it would be my death. Also with technology these days I want privacy. Who would want to be track all of their life?

What chip are you blathering about?

[S1lentOp]

This:
4AM Conspiracy

Bet you never thought of that, did you? Clearly you don't know what's really going on. You're still falling for fodder the real perpetrators, the real men behind the curtain, are still distracting you with while they carry out their sinister plots. This guy, Rives, he's on to something. It's just too bad no one's listening to him. You'd have already realized what Rives is talking about if you were paying attention to what's really going on. They've penetrated every area of our society and you haven't even realized it.

[Azure Knight]

You know the Illuminati isn't real, right? The idea of a worldwide Illuminati conspiracy that controls the world is from a fiction book, similar to how people think there's a real Necronomicon when it was made up by HP Lovecraft.

Also, Scientology branched out of a science-fiction novel.

[zaseo]

Maybe you are right maybe not. There is a possibility that a one world government could happen without a Code Geass like plot happening. The chip I was referring to is the RFID chip. Would that chip be the Mark of the Beast? If the Illuminati doesn't exist then who is truly pulling the strings? I still think the Freemasons are. A one world government would go hand, and hand with the Book of Revelation.

[AuraTwilight]

There is a possibility that a one world government could happen without a Code Geass like plot happening.

Yea, it's called "Everyone playing nice."

The chip I was referring to is the RFID chip.

Lol, you mean the things they use for inventory tracking and to KEEP PEOPLE FROM SHOPLIFTING? Are you high?

If the Illuminati doesn't exist then who is truly pulling the strings?

No one. There's no conspiracy because the government isn't competent enough to hide such major information flows without resorting to lock-down fascism like China. In today's Communication Age, it is literally f*cking impossible to do something like what you're suggesting. It would require a multimedia blackout the likes of which the world has never seen.

[zaseo]

"Lol, you mean the things they use for inventory tracking and to KEEP PEOPLE FROM SHOPLIFTING? Are you high?"

Not sure if they are use for anything else. This is what I'm talking about. LOL being honest how do I get high? I know you smoke drugs, but how do you well smoke lol. Do you blow, or suck on cigarettes, weed, cocaine, or that other stuff? To not f*ck up my life I stay away from that stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77 ... re=related

[zerokoolpsx]

I already seen the Zeitgeist. A lot of people question its sources. Zaseo, if you want your arguments to be more plausible, it's usually a good idea not to attack the person.
Ironically, the first part of the movie question the origin of Christianity and that it's a lie and it's ideas are taken from other religions that predate it.

I seen part 1 of the Michael Jackson coverup. At least part of it, and I got tired of the announcer repeating certain lines twice as if he's badgering his audience, but I got his point. Religion and government doesn't really mix. I think it's a load of bull if the Catholic church is proposing to run the world with christian values and that it can solve the current problems we're having.

[AuraTwilight]

Oh wow, Zeitgeist. That movie full of scientific and historical inaccuracies as well as quote-mining and outright lies. Yea, that's reputable.

Also, great ad hominem. Not only was it unnecessary, but it's also retarded. Anyone can tell you that drugs can be smoked through a pipe without having to actually do it. That's like saying you're an astronaut because you know the name of the Space Shuttle that took Neil Armstrong to the moon.

[shugo_lover]

If your opinion. This is a debate after all, and everyone is going to have different views. I have Christian views, and I think like a conspiracy theorist at times. I hate how the Christian church is manipulate, and divide right now. I sure many people are saying WTF right now at my last post. Some of the info I mistyped, but I think I got my points though.

The funny thing is how I'm christian and I think you talk about a lot of crap or maybe I'm just not that religious but seriously you should think about what your saying. Sheez your one of those creepy religious people I see on the internet.

[zaseo]

Talking over the internet is not really my thing, but I'll get better at it. I know I said in the past that I would like to see all of the Christian branches united, but my mind is changed now. All of the branches being united shall not ever happen because humans will always have different views.

Most people are born into their religion, and many accept it for the rest of their life. I was born into a Baptists, and Methodist church, but I changing my view on things. All of the Ten Commandments the one that broken the most is number 4 "Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy." From my point of view the Sabbath day is Saturday, or from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Sabbath means Saturday after all anyway.

It debatable if it is Saturday, or Sunday. The thing that gets me is Sunday Sun worship? Sunday is base off of Egyptian astrology right? In Egypt the Sun God is Ra. Are Sunday, astrology, and Sun Gods of ofter polytheistic religions related somehow?

[AuraTwilight]

It debatable if it is Saturday, or Sunday. The thing that gets me is Sunday Sun worship? Sunday is base off of Egyptian astrology right? In Egypt the Sun God is Ra. Are Sunday, astrology, and Sun Gods of ofter polytheistic religions related somehow?

Every day of the week is named after a deity. You're not worshipping them by acknowledging those days though anymore than we're honoring the Roman Gods by naming planets after them, or anymore than a non-Christian is worshipping Jesus by using the BC/AD calender. Don't worry about it, I don't think God would mind so long as you dedicate a day out of the week to him. I can't imagine an omnipotent being really cares that much about it having to be a specific day, you know?

[zaseo]

Well it is the human's heart that God would look for. I still rather honor the Sabbath day which is Saturday. People should still honor God everyday. Constantine changed the Sabbath day from Sat to Sun. Also over the course of history we have had a few calendar changes.

The thing I don't understand is this. In the first book it is said that God made the Earth, and man in 6th days, and the 7th was to be the Sabbath day. If Sun is the first day, then Sat is the last. If Mon is the first then Sun is the last. In many parts of the world Sun is considered first. So what is up with most Christians going to church on the first day?

From my point of view many people who are followers of the Abrahamic religions are blind. Maybe I am blind, but I will continue to search for my own truth. I don't understand why Christians follow Pagan, or Satanic traditions? Are many people just too lazy to research their truth instead of listening to the Pope, Minster, Pastor etc.

I don't agree with all conspiracy theories, but will happen. The reptilian, and Niburu planet thing is crap. If someone wanted to get brainwash people that would be the way to do it. People will believe anything in the media. The media wants us to know things, but what don't they want us to know?

[Azure Knight]

Back in Biblical times, they didn't use the same names for the days of the week like we do today. In Judaism, there's a totally different calender used, with different names of days, lenghts of months, etc. There's a 7-day week corresponding to God creating the earth in Genesis, and the day of the Shabbat just happens to fall on the Saturday of the Solar Calendar. I don't really think that there's one true day for the Sabbath, it's just whatever that religion believes is the day of the Sabbath. For Jews, it's coincidentally Saturday, and for Christians it's Sunday.

I'm curious, what do you mean when you say that followers of Abrahamic religions are blind? Blind to what? Also, what Pagan and Satanic practices do you believe Christians to have?

[AuraTwilight]

You know, all the holidays Christians stole.

[zaseo]

Why do Christians celebrate Christmas, and Easter? WTF does egg hunting, and a fat guy with presents have to do with the holidays? Sure as little kids we want toys, but when you get older you will think wtf. Besides near Christmas would you wait days to use new stuff? For me heck no because life is not guaranteed. It is obvious that Jesus is not born in the winter.

One of the reasons why I think many followers of the Abrahamic religions are blind is because many don't do their own research. The Christian churches are corrupted, and many people follow corrupted traditions. If a person that is consider a major religious followers is corrupted would most people be able to see though the deception that person is giving?

Base off the books in the Torah, Bible, or Qur'an it is obvious that humans have changed many things that they should follow. Humans have even alter the meaning of the scriptures to deceive people. If you tell someone something from a holy book would people read, and see if it is the truth? Or would they most agree with you, and follow what you teach them?