Xth Forms

[TheSorrow]

Of course. I wasn't talking about the .Hack Sora...he doesn't fly or hover swords around XD

And sure, Tokio's Xth Form beats having to "save The World" in a school uniform, maybe....but, it's still ridiculous. Like Tokio in general.

[Mellow Grunty]

To you maybe. But according to these people and others...
It's a different story.

Yeah, because popular opinion is always the truth. Just look at Twilight. Also, thinking difficult hacking is impressive =/= thinking result of said hacking looks awesome. Don't stuff words into other people's mouths.

Not to mention, those swords would break little Tokio's virtual wrists.

[Gemcrim]

Are you implying that does not look stupid? Because it certainly does.

To you maybe. But according to these people and others...

AWESOME.

That is all.

That is just crazy

Amazing :O!!!!

It's a different story.

Seems to me they were more impressed by what was possible with cheating/hacking than Haseo wielding two broadswords really, so kinda seems you're using that a bit out of context to use in favor of your argument.

Even if they were impressed with this hack due to the dual swords, we had B-st form Haseo doing this originally which probably had impressed people seeing this screenshot, a berserk character that had already proven themselves (somewhat) likable and not overly stupid looking. Whereas with Tokio we have him wielding his two shitty black/rainbow blades after he raided Sora's closet and a random trash heap for clothes and armor.

Haseo has always been silly looking on some level, midriff shirts, buttcapes, necktails, buttplates. Yet even then Tokio trumps it by first coming in with school attire and then... whatever we have with his Xth form.

In short both are dumb and I feel you used those quotes out of context in order to support your opinion that Tokio can get away with looking like a moron.

[Advent_Winter]

Are you implying that does not look stupid? Because it certainly does.

To you maybe. But according to these people and others...

AWESOME.

That is all.

That is just crazy

Amazing :O!!!!

It's a different story.

Seems to me they were more impressed by what was possible with cheating/hacking than Haseo wielding two broadswords really, so kinda seems you're using that a bit out of context to use in favor of your argument.

Even if they were impressed with this hack due to the dual swords, we had B-st form Haseo doing this originally which probably had impressed people seeing this screenshot, a berserk character that had already proven themselves (somewhat) likable and not overly stupid looking. Whereas with Tokio we have him wielding his two shitty black/rainbow blades after he raided Sora's closet and a random trash heap for clothes and armor.

Haseo has always been silly looking on some level, midriff shirts, buttcapes, necktails, buttplates. Yet even then Haseo trumps it by first coming in with school attire and then... whatever we have with his Xth form.

In short both are dumb and I feel you used those quotes out of context in order to support your opinion that Tokio can get away with looking like a moron.

Wrong. I used those quotes to show MG that B-ST form type dual wielding of heavy blades were impressive-looking, both in game and in the original context where the idea was born in Trilogy, in the opinions of others. Yet in another sense, people viewed the B-ST form in a negative vibe as well. Some even calling it retarded. Regaurdless, opinions are opinions. However, don't you think this is actually a good upgrade more so than, oh..I don't know...Using a sword and a small dagger that don't match at all as twin blades?

My comparison?

Dual-wielding heavy blades with matching designs > using a mismatched pair of twin blades as weapons.

[TheSorrow]

Tokio sucks and we hate him even if he would look exactly like the most awesome and epic character in every series made, because just because he's Tokio he'll ruin it and look like an idiot. In fact, we'll hate him even more for that.

END OF DISCUSSION D8

[Gemcrim]

Dual-wielding heavy blades with matching designs > using a mismatched pair of twin blades as weapons.

Though I don't like him breaking rules with a twinblade and broadsword at once, I find that it works better than those god-awful looking prism swords of his. Also I still say people were more impressed by the novelty of the hack than the actual use of two broadswords, though that was a plus I'm sure.

Tokio sucks and we hate him even if he would look exactly like the most awesome and epic character in every series made, because just because he's Tokio he'll ruin it and look like an idiot. In fact, we'll hate him even more for that.

END OF DISCUSSION D8

Yes, save for the fact Tokio can neither perform being "awesome" or "epic." Any attempts are simply laughable, more laughable than a competent Shugo (hitting Balmung once after getting his ass handed to him several times and needing **** tons of power ups from his friends to do so does not count as competence, further semi-competent anime Shugo never really happened).

[Vorbei]

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[Advent_Winter]

Well, we're not sure if their broadswords or not, after looking at the screenshots a few more times. The blades are short-stubbed and flat as cardboard, so we technically don't know how heavy they are. Tokio seems to swing them with ease, then again, why does it matter? The miss here, is the fact that we can only use two particular types of weapons in this game. The dual swords in Tokio's first form, and the larger swords in his Xth form. Unlike the original games and G.U., we won't have the freedom to acess different types of weapons unfortunately. *sigh*

[zaseo]

At first I figure Link story line started off a bit bad, and that it would get better. Now the things that made Dot Hack what it was has become BS, and the new things in Link are BS. What class is Tokio anyway? As said before why is he using two different swords? Why does he have a Xth form? Why in his Xth form is he wielding what looks like 2 broadswords? Broadswords are normally swung with both hands because they are heavier, and long. I must admit the Xth forms do look cool on many characters, but forget about them having them at all, and just have the Xth form as the looks?

[Tolby]

At first I figure Link story line started off a bit bad, and that it would get better. Now the things that made Dot Hack what it was has become BS, and the new things in Link are BS. What class is Tokio anyway? As said before why is he using two different swords? Why does he have a Xth form? Why in his Xth form is he wielding what looks like 2 broadswords? Broadswords are normally swung with both hands because they are heavier, and long. I must admit the Xth forms do look cool on many characters, but forget about them having them at all, and just have the Xth form as the looks?

Enlightened me as to what made .hack and why that is stepped upon in Link. Please don't say Xth forms, because Xth forms did not make .hack what it is. He has two different swords because one is his sword and the other is Kite's. Well, thats how it was in the manga and seeing how it bares the same resemblance I assume its the same in the game. Again he wasn't the first to pick up twin broadswords, or have you not seen Trilogy? Granted Haseo was in b-st form, pissed off and isn't a retarded character like Tokio so I see the annoyance, but I dont think Haseo deserves a pass if people are bitching this much because of twin broadswords. Now I understand not all of the people are completely serious or that the swords might be the **** icing on the **** cake that is Tokio. The **** icing that pushed them over the edge, but still.

Also like mentioned before they may not be broadswords. Kites twin blades look fairly big when hes using them, maybe they just look bigger than normal blades. Even if they are broadswords, so the **** what? He is the main character in his Xth form, hes allowed to break the laws of physics. Not to mention these are game physics. I mean I'm more annoyed Haseo did a father son kamehameha with Ovan then Tokio being super strong in a video game... thats in a video game...

Since someone brought up how practical .hack is with weapons I would also like to say .hack is fairly practical with hair too. If Tokio isn't an AI then his hair isn't just stupid because it looks like Tai's. Yea you might have a character like Crim with a blue high top hair cut but thats in game. Every real world cut to of characters had realistic hair. Maybe blue hued or something like that, but not ***** anime 1000 bottles of hair gel hair.

Oh Haseo used a vortex of broadswords, dual wielded broadswords, has a gundam he can call out. Tsukasa had a jello minion that could tentacle rape an army of soldier and Kite had a magical bracelet that could digitally unbirth something. Oh and data drain can also put people into a coma in real life. Not exactly practical, but they are the main characters.. like Tokio. But don't get me wrong I understand what you meant and for the most part I agree.

By the way I may have done a lot of defending but I do hate Tokio with all my heart. Now the Link game I'm quite liking so far.

[Vorbei]

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[Gemcrim]

Enlightened me as to what made .hack and why that is stepped upon in Link. Please don't say Xth forms, because Xth forms did not make .hack what it is. He has two different swords because one is his sword and the other is Kite's. Well, thats how it was in the manga and seeing how it bares the same resemblance I assume its the same in the game. Again he wasn't the first to pick up twin broadswords, or have you not seen Trilogy? Granted Haseo was in b-st form, pissed off and isn't a retarded character like Tokio so I see the annoyance, but I dont think Haseo deserves a pass if people are bitching this much because of twin broadswords.

Only speaking for me: Haseo doesn't really get a free pass without any bit of criticism, as an example please see this quote:

Haseo has always been silly looking on some level, midriff shirts, buttcapes, necktails, buttplates

Now I understand not all of the people are completely serious or that the swords might be the **** icing on the **** cake that is Tokio. The **** icing that pushed them over the edge, but still.

Again for me: not really, I already hated him with a fiery passion this just gives me something new to make fun of. I really don't care about dual broadswords so much as I care that Tokio's look dumb and shine in the colors of the rainbow.

Also like mentioned before they may not be broadswords. Kites twin blades look fairly big when hes using them, maybe they just look bigger than normal blades. Even if they are broadswords, so the **** what? He is the main character in his Xth form, hes allowed to break the laws of physics. Not to mention these are game physics. I mean I'm more annoyed Haseo did a father son kamehameha with Ovan then Tokio being super strong in a video game... thats in a video game...

If I'm gonna **** about physics anywhere I have to be a real douche. Not only will Haseo not get a free pass for that, neither will Kite, see the end of Quarantine for details on that. On Haseo's and Ovan's ****, was stupid sure, but so was a good portion of the game, tournaments and certain characters really reminded me a lot of G Gundam, so I just found things to be campy all around but not in a way I'm gonna whine about it so much as make fun of as there was actual entertainment to be found with a plot that didn't disgust me (TIME TRAVEL TIME TRAVEL TIME TRAVEL YYYYYAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY) and likable though cliche looking characters (at least none made me think of the hero of the digital world... **** you Tokio).

Since someone brought up how practical .hack is with weapons I would also like to say .hack is fairly practical with hair too. If Tokio isn't an AI then his hair isn't just stupid because it looks like Tai's. Yea you might have a character like Crim with a blue high top hair cut but thats in game. Every real world cut to of characters had realistic hair. Maybe blue hued or something like that, but not ***** anime 1000 bottles of hair gel hair.

Not sure when we started on hair. But first weapons: don't care just as long as they don't look dumb, admittedly lots in GU did but so do many in RPGs we swallow our pride for the stats. Now for Link for the demo at least there is no weapon switching, don't know about the full game but we're stuck with Tokio's crap. As for practicality, not touching on that one, Haseo's little girl arms shouldn't be able to lift his broadsword (and by extension I can go into a rant on Cloud Strife, and praise Guts for being a manly man but that's something for another time).

Hair, pretty much agree with you in this. Even with the Tokio is an AI theory the dickhole shouldn't be imagining himself with that hairstyle due to his "real life" self.

Oh Haseo used a vortex of broadswords, dual wielded broadswords, has a gundam he can call out. Tsukasa had a jello minion that could tentacle rape an army of soldier and Kite had a magical bracelet that could digitally unbirth something. Oh and data drain can also put people into a coma in real life. Not exactly practical, but they are the main characters.. like Tokio. But don't get me wrong I understand what you meant and for the most part I agree.

Now on Haseo, taking away the first two points since I like canon more than anything else (though I will give you those first two are ***** retarded though look cool to some degree I guess) Haseo has his little gundam pal, okay uses it quite a bit but he was technically still able to lose even with it and there were 7 others (8 with Azure Kite) who could screw around the same way so Haseo wasn't completely unique.

Tsukasa and the guardian, also teleportation without the chaos gate. The second power came in handy for plot and became pointless when they showed people using the chaos gates to get everywhere less and less, noone cares. As for the guardian, yes over powered monstrosity but not unique (save for color I guess) and killable... just very hard to kill it.

Kite and his magic bracelet of wonder and excitement-desu can only use when weakening something, not very fun. Now none of these are practical not by a long shot by I describe them for the following reason, Tokio goes god mode, the ***** becomes invincible and steals powers (by chrono core I guess) in the manga at the very least, maybe he'll do something different in the game, don't know. Bring this up to show one simple thing, he's an over powered douche, more so than Haseo and it's because of **** like this the rest kinda, you know, get away with **** easier.

By the way I may have done a lot of defending but I do hate Tokio with all my heart. Now the Link game I'm quite liking so far.

We'll see how Link turns out as there is hope for it though slim for me, I'm just gonna be here to bash Tokio every step of the way even if he proves himself likable in someway he's still committed atrocities by his mere existence and this will not be forgiven.

[Tolby]

Although it is nice to have a decent .hack conversation I wasn't really talking about you. I think I had originally said this and then edited it out, but I was talking about people who would read someone's post like yours that was based in fact and logic and just take out something like "yea omg he has two big unpractical swords" to use towards their irrational hatred. Which is why I quoted Zaseo, of course he could have intelligent reason behind it, just didn't seem so at the time.

Far as Cannon, yea I was a little unsure rather to add that in. It might not be cannon to the main story but its still .hack. I was pretty much drawing from most .hack sources because the issue was .hack was practical before Link showed it's face. I dont seem to remember Volbie or whoever saying cannon .hack was practical before Link, but maybe I missed it. I considered most sources besides maybe the twilight anime simply because I'd rather just believe that never existed. In which case the Incest Bracelet isn't very practical either...

[Gemcrim]

I know I wasn't being spoken to, I just wanted to respond. C-cause I like talking to you and um...


I don't find most weaponry after IMOQ practical. Now to keep from derailing this, I'm curious on what other Xth forms will look like and possibly bastardize. Like I imagine Balmung with like 20 wings or some crap.

[N3IWVC]

Just thought I'd point out that Haseo never really gets a lot of use out of his dual-broadsword wielding so that doesn't really break the "dual-broadswords aren't useful" thing. When he summons them along with the wave of other swords about the only swings he gets out of them just bash them into the ground (missing ovan both times) and then he just picks up other weapons.

[Advent_Winter]

Just thought I'd point out that Haseo never really gets a lot of use out of his dual-broadsword wielding so that doesn't really break the "dual-broadswords aren't useful" thing. When he summons them along with the wave of other swords about the only swings he gets out of them just bash them into the ground (missing ovan both times) and then he just picks up other weapons.

Yeah, but Haseo wasn't really there "mentally". Any form of intelligence/logic behind his use of weapons were long gone. All he had was the intent to kill. The Dual Broadsword thing was probably just to add on to the expression of how powerful he was in B-ST form.

[zaseo]

Although it is nice to have a decent .hack conversation I wasn't really talking about you. I think I had originally said this and then edited it out, but I was talking about people who would read someone's post like yours that was based in fact and logic and just take out something like "yea omg he has two big unpractical swords" to use towards their irrational hatred. Which is why I quoted Zaseo, of course he could have intelligent reason behind it, just didn't seem so at the time.

Far as Cannon, yea I was a little unsure rather to add that in. It might not be cannon to the main story but its still .hack. I was pretty much drawing from most .hack sources because the issue was .hack was practical before Link showed it's face. I dont seem to remember Volbie or whoever saying cannon .hack was practical before Link, but maybe I missed it. I considered most sources besides maybe the twilight anime simply because I'd rather just believe that never existed. In which case the Incest Bracelet isn't very practical either...

Well I do have reasons behind what I say, but many times I'm not the best at explaining what I mean, or I don't explain everything. What makes Dot Hack what it is is the story. My others thoughts are that Tokio is wielding 2 Blademaster/Blade Brandier swords. Unless Tokio went insanely mad like Haseo in B-ST I don't see anyone picking up two 2-H swords. In Xth form from what I has seen so far theses swords look as if they would fit in the Heavyblade/Edge pushier category.

[iuliathe3rd]

Just remember: All this stuff is taking place within a game. Wielding two heavy broadswords isn't something you can do in the real world, but game physics are quite different. Fantasy-like, even. Given that, I don't really get why this point is still being debated.

[TheSorrow]

Because people are still trying to find reasons why Tokio is awesome or not much different from Haseo or something like that. I don't care, i still say that regardless of what Tokio has or does, and if he follows physics rules or whatever or not, he still sucks and will keep being a terrible .Hack character -3-

[Vorbei]

I'm more complaining about the visual style of "The World" (Not exactly .hack// as a whole), when you look at the start and now at the end, it seems like it changed genres. If I got into a rant about it, it'd both take up space no one would read, and I'd be repeating myself like a moron. Plus this is a thread for the Xth forms, not the whole game.