Innis going from Shino to Atoli

[FlickerHaseo]

I know that avatar Innis escaped from Shino to Atoli's PC after Shino was PKed but i have some questions about that. If Shino was an epitaph user than why did she fall into a coma after she was PKed? For example, when Atoli and Pi were PKed by "tri-edge" they didn't fall into comas and they did not lose their avatars. So what is the difference here? Did Tri-edge hold back when PKing Pi and Atoli or is there something else?

Spoilers of Vol. 2 Below:

  Ovan = True ID of Tri-Edge

[AuraTwilight]

My god. You people are stupid, as always.

First off, Unawakened Avatars won't save you, but Awakened ones will. It's that simple.

I have a wild guess maybe they were infected when attacked. and it takes time for it to take effect, maybe in vol 3. Just a wild guess don't have to believe it.

Wrong.

Ok i get that but it just doesnt make sense how people attacked with AIDA (without epitaphs) fall into comas whereas people who are simply infected with AIDA dont. In the case of Bordeaux and Sakaki they are infected heavily with AIDA and yet they do not fall into comas even after Haseo defeats them. Is it because the people are working together with AIDA that they stop themselves from being comatose?

Because getting infected with AIDA and being PKed by an AIDA-PC are two entirely different things.

In terms of AIDA, the difference between being infected and being comatose isn't quite as clear.

Yes, it is. The AIDA need the AIDA-PC's awake so they can use them. They're not stupid.

As far as Shino goes, I can only guess. However, I believe Ovan did this intentionally, for two reasons. The first was that she was sick -- I honestly don't know what she has -- and that putting her into a coma, and thus into the hospital, would be better for her than her spending so much time on an online game, Epitaph User or not. The second factor is Haseo himself. Shino was very precious to Haseo, and Ovan saw an opening in this -- by putting Shino into a coma, and pinning it on something within the confines of the game, this "Tri-Edge," Haseo would likely dedicate himself to helping Shino by tracking down this person. And he did -- Phyllo showing Haseo how weak he was, I believe, was also part of Ovan's plan.

Wrong. Shino was an accident. He didn't mean to attack her, but he couldn't stop himself. The AIDA was acting on it's own. Ovan did take advantage of it later, though.

No, I don't think its about the 'heart' that wants to destroy the enemies that makes the player fall into coma. Its more like the output of the power that the avatar used for the player.

Correct, though output is controlled by emotion.

Or maybe Avatar can't make players into coma . . . Because Ovan has an AIDA, and its possible that because of the AIDA, he unintentionally made Shino into coma . Same goes with Atoli at the moon tree too IMO.
So maybe, the AIDA is the one that made people into coma.

Avatars can cause comas. Why shouldn't they? Their Phase forms could, and they can already knock people unconscious. Furthermore, they possess Data Drain.

Avatar can't make a player into permanent coma (Much like Shino) , but its more likely than a comatose that has its own duration based on its power. Well, if Skeith gone berserk, its more likely that the duration coma will become permanent coma though >_>;

See above.

Of course . . . But it doesn't mean that the avatars could make people coma like AIDA; AIDA's Coma's effect is different than avatar. . . . Well, that's what I think . That's what I meant ^^;

 Save the creation of an "AIDA tumor" and the AIDA victims having a telepathic link to AIDA<Tri-Edge>, there really isn't.

Lol, can anyone imagine Shino's Innis ? Maybe the colour of Innis will change to black if Shino still got it >.<

A black and pink version of Atoli's.

If this stuff is never revealed in the game, then where the hell are you people getting these ideas from? is it just speculation? =/ And besides, whoever it was who said that an Epitaph User can fall into a coma if data-drained when they haven't awakend yet is wrong, because Haseo hadn't awakened when he got drained by Azure Kite.

.hack//Truth and the GU Perfect Guidebook.

Spoilers of Vol. 2 Below:

Ovan = True ID of Tri-Edge

Yea, he knows. Why did you bother?

God, I f*cking hate assholes who just spill out spoilers without contributing to discussion.

"Hey, is Ovan able to-" "OVAN IS TRI-EDGE!"

[Rade]

First off, Unawakened Avatars won't save you, but Awakened ones will. It's that simple.

If Unawakened Avatars can't save you from Data Drain or something, then how come Haseo didn't fall into a coma when he was attacked by Azure Kite? He hadn't Awakened at that point. Or are we only talking about an attack from AIDA and not Data Drain?

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

 Azure Kite wasn't intending on DDing Haseo. The attack was supposed to hit Ovan, who was standing behind Haseo, and destroy his AIDA.

[Rade]

 Azure Kite wasn't intending on DDing Haseo. The attack was supposed to hit Ovan, who was standing behind Haseo, and destroy his AIDA.

Even so, that doesn't explain why Haseo didn't fall into a coma if he hadn't Awakened yet.

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

 Azure Kite wasn't intending on DDing Haseo. The attack was supposed to hit Ovan, who was standing behind Haseo, and destroy his AIDA.

Even so, that doesn't explain why Haseo didn't fall into a coma if he hadn't Awakened yet.

Well, he wasn't comatized, but he was knocked out. You see him passing out and waking up some time later.

[Rade]

 Azure Kite wasn't intending on DDing Haseo. The attack was supposed to hit Ovan, who was standing behind Haseo, and destroy his AIDA.

Even so, that doesn't explain why Haseo didn't fall into a coma if he hadn't Awakened yet.

Well, he wasn't comatized, but he was knocked out. You see him passing out and waking up some time later.

True, it's just that, according to AuraTwilight's logic:

Unawakened Avatar + Data Drain/AIDA attack = Coma

So I'm wondering if he's only talkin about AIDA attacks or DD also, since if he's also talking DD then the logic seems flawed considering Haseo never went into a full coma.

[Jimbob]

I believe I mentioned this before but Avatar's affects on other players seems to be based on the users personal rage towards said player. Both times Haseo uses Skeith on Bordeaux (who he hates with a passion especially in Vol.2) she ends up unconsious as a result of the attack, the first time is temporary but the 2nd time it's implied she's actually comatose IRL until towards the end of Vol.3. In comparison Alkaid in Vol.1 and Sirius in Vol.2 are both fine after wards being able to get up and talk seconds after the battle. This is because Haseo had no particular hate for either (Sirus he took great care in fighting because he wanted to help both Siruis and Atoli during that fight)

So if Haseo really really hated someone enough he could probably make them into a lost one (he possibly does with Bordeaux)

[Marioshinobi]

Data Drain caused from Kite caused a minor Amnesia. Mostly due to the fact that Data Drain itself from Kite isn't perfected ( Aura's incomplete project ). As for Haseo's attack on Bourdeaux, Avatars/Phases to alot of damage.

Even the GU plan cost around 8 coma's because they forced the programs into people and failed miserably. So The Phases themselves could cause damage by simply attacking, but most likely could cause Coma's if they were in control themselves. Remember that these are people controlling them so they're power isn't as strong.

Haseo only managed to cause a minor KO in Bourdeaux due to the fact his Avatar was awakened and he had attacked out of pure emotion, Atoli stopped it at the last second and his face shows that he had no idea what happened at the last second before snickering at himself.

The Kuhn battle shows that Haseo doesn't know how to tap into Skeith's true power also, as apparently it's hands stretch out like rubber and grabbed ahold of his avatar. Not to mention the strange usage of his scythe to stab right through a avatar itself is a bit grotesque. It the Data Drain did hit then I would assume his PC would have gone into a coma.

But this is turned rather off topic from the main question. O.o;

[Tenji]

All the Shino fell in coma and Haseo didn´t have sense if you know that they where pked by diferent beings.
being DD and being AIDA-pked are diferent things... both dangerus yes, but not the same.
AIDA-pk is a sure coma (exept if you are an avatar) while DD is a posible coma and almost sure real life K.O. (this while the PC is in control)
AIDA infection is diferent from an AIDA PK i think... there are several ways get infected.

as for Shino... well she got an e-mail from Ovan. That´s the reason why she was at the Cathedral... so you can say Ovan is an accomplice even if the AIDA arm did the dirty work. (he did say "we understand each other")

[AuraTwilight]

True, it's just that, according to AuraTwilight's logic:

Unawakened Avatar + Data Drain/AIDA attack = Coma

So I'm wondering if he's only talkin about AIDA attacks or DD also, since if he's also talking DD then the logic seems flawed considering Haseo never went into a full coma.

Azure Kite can't put people in coma's.

t's implied she's actually comatose IRL until towards the end of Vol.3.

She was only comatose for like a week.

In comparison Alkaid in Vol.1 and Sirius in Vol.2 are both fine after wards being able to get up and talk seconds after the battle.

Tenrawr was AIDA-infected.

Even the GU plan cost around 8 coma's because they forced the programs into people and failed miserably. So The Phases themselves could cause damage by simply attacking, but most likely could cause Coma's if they were in control themselves. Remember that these are people controlling them so they're power isn't as strong.

Seven coma's, through a fake Tarvos.

It the Data Drain did hit then I would assume his PC would have gone into a coma.

The Data Drain did hit. Kuhn just shielded himself with a copy.

as for Shino... well she got an e-mail from Ovan. That´s the reason why she was at the Cathedral... so you can say Ovan is an accomplice even if the AIDA arm did the dirty work. (he did say "we understand each other")

The mail was sent by the AIDA.

[Darrcyphfeid]

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[Jimbob]

Tenrawr was AIDA-infected.

So was Bordeaux. And yet he was fine while Bordeaux went comatose.

[Duldregirn]

If Azure Kite can't put people into comas what happened to the people that were in the video that was shown to Haseo because he wanted information on Tri-edge in volume 1. Was it just a lie that that person fell into a coma after being data drained?

Edit: And wait Auratwilight AIDA is smart enough to create their own e-mails? That's kinda creepy ....and come to think of it how did the AIDA know Ocan would end up in hidden forbidden holy ground because Ovan himself didnt even know he would go there..(he said "so this is the transfer point" or something like that) its strange how the email was sent by Ovan BEFORE he even knew where he was going unless AIDA knew where he was going..........MY BRAIN HURTS

[.hack//BICTIOUS]

If Azure Kite can't put people into comas what happened to the people that were in the video that was shown to Haseo because he wanted information on Tri-edge in volume 1. Was it just a lie that that person fell into a coma after being data drained?

Two possibilities - The video was a fake, or the person went into a coma because of the AIDA in him. I heard it was confirmed in an official source that Azure Kite attacked AIDA-PCs, even those that didn't show signs of AIDA yet.

[Tenji]

The mail was sent by the AIDA.

So it can do that too even if it´s not entirely controling the pc?! did Ovan let the AIDA do it or was he off on that moment? crap... but he does talk about betrayal and understanding... he can´t be completely inocent.

[Kryuzei]

Avatars can cause comas. Why shouldn't they? Their Phase forms could, and they can already knock people unconscious. Furthermore, they possess Data Drain.

OMG. . . Just ignore what I said. .Its just a false speculation :3
But they are somehow different than AIDA's right ? Well, Avatar's coma patient could wake up within some duration of time. . . Wait, it contradicts with Alkaid's coma. . . If AIDA's is different than the avatar's . . Then Alkaid should have wake up after we beat Oswald. . . Is it the connection with the AIDA<Tri-Edge> or something ? 0.0;

But this is turned rather off topic from the main question. O.o;

Huh ? Oh yeah. . .Should we stop ? :3

[Duldregirn]

But this is turned rather off topic from the main question. O.o;

Huh ? Oh yeah. . .Should we stop ? :3[/quote]

Its a good discussion maybe it'd be nice if this topic's name was changed but i've had these questions for a while.

[ReiMehari]

If Azure Kite can't put people into comas what happened to the people that were in the video that was shown to Haseo because he wanted information on Tri-edge in volume 1. Was it just a lie that that person fell into a coma after being data drained?

Two possibilities - The video was a fake, or the person went into a coma because of the AIDA in him. I heard it was confirmed in an official source that Azure Kite attacked AIDA-PCs, even those that didn't show signs of AIDA yet.

THe world will never know. Well Za Warudo will.

[AuraTwilight]

That's not what I meant. I meant that it wasn't made clear with the information I have from the North American releases, why some people are instantly put into comas by the AIDA, while others are merely infected. Outside of people like Sakaki or Bordeaux infecting themselves intentionally.

Bordeaux wasn't intentionally infected, she just took advantage of it. The AIDA can't turn people into Unreturners on their own, so they infect people to do it.

That's mostly stemming from the conversations during the time between Kaede showing up in Hy Brasail, to Nala letting Haseo into Moon Tree's dungeon. You know, where they talk about infected players attacking other players, and then those players becoming infected. Whereas Sirius' and Bordeaux's victims weren't infected, just put into comas.

One word: Sakaki.

So was Bordeaux. And yet he was fine while Bordeaux went comatose.

No she didn't.

If Azure Kite can't put people into comas what happened to the people that were in the video that was shown to Haseo because he wanted information on Tri-edge in volume 1. Was it just a lie that that person fell into a coma after being data drained?

That person had a benign AIDA infection.

And wait Auratwilight AIDA is smart enough to create their own e-mails? That's kinda creepy Shocked....and come to think of it how did the AIDA know Ocan would end up in hidden forbidden holy ground because Ovan himself didnt even know he would go there..(he said "so this is the transfer point" or something like that) its strange how the email was sent by Ovan BEFORE he even knew where he was going unless AIDA knew where he was going..........MY BRAIN HURTS

1) ARTIFICIALLY INTELLIGENT Data Anomaly (Dur)
2) Well, of course it knew where Ovan was going it SENT HIM THERE.

So it can do that too even if it´s not entirely controling the pc?! did Ovan let the AIDA do it or was he off on that moment? crap... but he does talk about betrayal and understanding... he can´t be completely inocent.

Ovan's AIDA can pretty much do whatever it wants when the casket is open. And Ovan was pretty much goading Haseo on.

But they are somehow different than AIDA's right ? Well, Avatar's coma patient could wake up within some duration of time. . . Wait, it contradicts with Alkaid's coma. . . If AIDA's is different than the avatar's . . Then Alkaid should have wake up after we beat Oswald. . . Is it the connection with the AIDA<Tri-Edge> or something ? 0.0;

Unreturners can't wake up until ALL of the AIDA are defeated. They're a hive mind. Also, Avatars can control the comas they induce, and  AIDA can't

THe world will never know. Well Za Warudo will.

Along with anyone who's not an idiot.