Who is Who??? Please help (Possible Spoilers)

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:31 pm

AuraTwilight wrote:Taihaku = Tsukasa's doctor

Arg, the point of my summary was to sift out the crap that worked its way in. I've found no confirmation that this is anywhere in the book... He's a doctor it seems, though... If it says he's Tsukasa's, this information has not been reproduced in a way distinct from the "zomg Gabi=Writer=Bear!!1!" comments, whereas the things I listed have...

And the Zelkova thing is really up in the air. All we have to go on is "omg hacker", and it was implied before that Helba isn't the only one. Also he seems to be an AI, though he could always be Helba "crossed over"...

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:47 pm

Azure crow wrote:I'm not for the whole haseo=sora thing.
-sora quit the game
-sora would recognize yata/wiseman as they were in the same class.
-sora would be terrified of skeith
-sora was a pk who pked to get member addresses,haseo pkk's and dosn't care about interactions.
-haseo logged into R;2 saying it was his first time in the game,and that he didn't like online games that much.
-haseo was shocked when he was pked,and sora wouldn't have been
-sora could fight very well,haseo had to go crazy to learn to fight well.
-sora knew what the key nof the twilight was,in fact he was the second person to see Aura other thatn tsukasa,while haseo has no idea.
-sora and kite met in quarrantine,so haseo would have recognized azure kite.
-there would be references from haseo about playing before if it was true.
-sora liked beautiful women,while haseo is anti-social.

I have my likes and dislikes of the whole theory.

The theory speaks that Sora lost his memory of The World R:1, completely forgetting everything that happened; including players, names, Skeith and The World itself (even so, people with amnesia can remember small fragments of their memory lost, which could explain why he felt a nostalgia when Haseo logged first in R:2).
7 years have passed already, and there's no way he could tell Yata/Naobi was the same person, seeing as how they must probably be in different schools by that time. However, Yata doesn't seems to recognize Haseo either, not even mentions anything about him. Although that could be because, back at the same class, Wiseman and Sora's real players weren't more than acquitances and they simply forgot about each other as time passed.
And about some things such as Sora's likes and preferrences of stuff, well, you aren't going to tell me you act the same and like the same things as 7 years ago...(Now, if you ask why Yata still likes soccer and digimon...he just forgot to "GU" >.> lol)

And the Zelkova thing is really up in the air. All we have to go on is "omg hacker", and it was implied before that Helba isn't the only one. Also he seems to be an AI, though he could always be Helba "crossed over"...

What information could lead to think on the horned kid as an AI??

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:52 pm

he would have snapped back from anmesia after seeing skeith.
Also,his family would not let him play the world anymore if he was sora,because he was still a kid when he went into a coma.

Annwyn · Post by **Annwyn** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:57 pm

Azure crow wrote:he would have snapped back from anmesia after seeing skeith.
Also,his family would not let him play the world anymore if he was sora,because he was still a kid when he went into a coma.

Well, Skeith does look somewhat different now...and his parents don't necessarily know for sure that the game was what caused his coma. Remember when Tokuoka won the court case about that? He was still laughed at, because the concept was absurd, even if it was true.

I'm not defending the theory, but I'm not trying to prove it wrong, either. It could be interesting... Just as long as it makes sense in the end...

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:59 pm

Azure crow wrote:he would have snapped back from anmesia after seeing skeith.
Also,his family would not let him play the world anymore if he was sora,because he was still a kid when he went into a coma.

Skeith looks different, but i kinda agree with you. Due of all the things happening to him since Roots, he would've started to remember many things of his past, or at least a few ones. However, it seems the only thing he remembered was how to PK coldy and merciless >.>

Maybe the comatose thing is why he doesn't like Online Games. But their parents are almost never with him and he mostly lives alone, so there's no real way they could 'stop' him from playing.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:00 pm

He could tell who skeith was whenever seith told hi it's name(when an epitaph user awakens,they learn the name of the avatar) so he would have remembered.
things like data drain woulod also have clicked his memory.
also,skeith didn't look that much different from a 1st hand point of view.
And because of the rumours about the world causing coma,which were big during that time,the parents would make the connection.
Also,he would have told them,becasue he didn't lose his memory directly after,as seen in the last episode of //sign

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:17 pm

He could tell who skeith was whenever seith told hi it's name(when an epitaph user awakens,they learn the name of the avatar) so he would have remembered. things

EUs just somehow learn their name when they first awaken it. Skeith didn't really say "I'm Skeith!! You're Haseo!!" to him, Haseo just had the name written on his brain. That, or he saw the HP bar with the name 'Skeith' on his M2D screen xD

things like data drain woulod also have clicked his memory.

Yeah, could have

also,skeith didn't look that much different from a 1st hand point of view.

For me, it does

And because of the rumours about the world causing coma,which were big during that time,the parents would make the connection.

Maybe they convinced him to not play Online Games. Then, due of his constant boredom at all, he just ignored the words and installed R:2

Also,he would have told them,becasue he didn't lose his memory directly after,as seen in the last episode of //sign

Assuming Haseo=Sora is true, then that wasnt Sora, but the AI Sora. The rest of the players, however (suck as Tsukasa and Subaru), are indeed the real ones.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:20 pm

That wasn't the AI sora though.The AI's did NOY+T attend that party.
Why would anyone think they went.
Sora was there to show his overall new more mature perpective,and to show how truly depressed he was alone.

Santos · Post by **Santos** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:22 pm

After reading this thread I'm going to completely disregard any info on who the GU characters are/were IRL or otherwise until it comes from an official source.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:25 pm

Good.save youself while you can.we will be trapped here discussing the Haseo=sora relationship.

I did some digging on Haseo's name,and it conects to sora's,but I think there is a reason for that.

Mabye the R;1 sora was who told haseo about the game,because the was ranting about the good old days.
This would make a bit of sense,becasue someone told haseo that he should try the game,which haseo confirmed himself.

Annwyn · Post by **Annwyn** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:32 pm

Azure crow wrote:Mabye the R;1 sora was who told haseo about the game,because the was ranting about the good old days.
This would make a bit of sense,becasue someone told haseo that he should try the game,which haseo confirmed himself.

Yeah, I always thought that too. In fact, before anyone ever brought up the Haseo = Sora theory, I would have bet all my money that Sora was the friend who introduced Haseo to The World.

Santos · Post by **Santos** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:38 pm

Weren't Wiseman and Sora in the same class together? I remember reading that somewhere. As for the Sora/Haseo poet name thing, I say just coincedence.

Eden Prosper · Post by **Eden Prosper** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:48 pm

Santos wrote:Weren't Wiseman and Sora in the same class together? I remember reading that somewhere. As for the Sora/Haseo poet name thing, I say just coincedence.

Dunno if they were in the same class but it was implied that they knew each other.

Vahn Staffear · Post by **Vahn Staffear** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:56 pm

Eden Prosper wrote:
Santos wrote:Weren't Wiseman and Sora in the same class together? I remember reading that somewhere. As for the Sora/Haseo poet name thing, I say just coincedence.
Dunno if they were in the same class but it was implied that they knew each other.

I heard that they were in the same class with each other. But I don't think they knew each other in The World.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:58 pm

Wiseman knows everything.He knows YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shirosaki · Post by **Shirosaki** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:07 pm

Azure crow wrote:Wiseman knows everything.He knows YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that what I call a spam... What do you mean? That Yata knows the identity of everyone in GU? For now I disagree, because he doen´t really show any knowledge concerning Haseo.

TheSorrow · Post by **TheSorrow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:10 pm

Yata/Wiseman doesn't knows everything. He didn't even know how to awake his own Avatar '>.> He just stalks too much, finds a random thing, and from that random thing, he starts using people and making them believe 'he knows everything', and he starts gathering more information through those people or just uses them for whatever he wants.
He doesn't knows everything, he just pretends he does.

Azure crow · Post by **Azure crow** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:16 pm

just getting arcoss the point that wiseman was a genious,so he would know alot of things that we wouldn't expect.

Vahn Staffear · Post by **Vahn Staffear** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:17 pm

That fool doesn't even know who Ovan is, nor what he is capable of.
He can't even controll his avatar. He just blows.

and Crow stop spamming this forum or you'll get this place locked and everyone's hard earned information will be lost.

Post by **Kuukai** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:18 pm

It was never said that Wiseman and Sora know each other. If you don't believe me, go find the source. It's just a weird fan rumor.

TheSorrow wrote:What information could lead to think on the horned kid as an AI??

He says things that imply he doesn't exist irl.

Azure crow wrote:That wasn't the AI sora though.The AI's did NOY+T attend that party.
Why would anyone think they went.

Yes, it was only a party at Net Slum... Even the fact that he got there uninvited makes it suspicious...

Santos wrote:After reading this thread I'm going to completely disregard any info on who the GU characters are/were IRL or otherwise until it comes from an official source.

It's coming from an official source.

Azure crow wrote:Mabye the R;1 sora was who told haseo about the game,because the was ranting about the good old days.
This would make a bit of sense,becasue someone told haseo that he should try the game,which haseo confirmed himself.

Either he or the Roots Character book also said that he saw an ad and felt strangely nostalgic...

And hey, Yata's damn smart. If it wasn't for his strategies, it's entirely possible that neither World Network Crisis 2 nor 3 would have been resolved. You can only say that about a few characters... He's wrong at times, and a crybaby, but indispensable.