What level is Tsukasa?

[CRtwenty]

Morganna, being The World itself had not statistics. At least not in the game sense. However the Phases, being creatures in the game did.

Anyway, Tsukasa was more or less transformed into a Vagrant AI. If people like Rumor or Rin from AI Buster 2 have statistics, I don't see why Tsukasa would be any different. Personally I'd say he was a WaveMaster of low to moderate level, probably no higher then level 20-30.

[AuraTwilight]

Morganna, being The World itself had not statistics. At least not in the game sense. However the Phases, being creatures in the game did.

Yea, and the Phases ARE Morganna.

Anyway, Tsukasa was more or less transformed into a Vagrant AI. If people like Rumor or Rin from AI Buster 2 have statistics, I don't see why Tsukasa would be any different. Personally I'd say he was a WaveMaster of low to moderate level, probably no higher then level 20-30.

Saying Tsukasa became a Vagrant AI is like saying Maha turned into a player. But that's not the point. I know what you mean. Anyway, I don't think Rin had statistics, and Rumor is kind've up in the air because his Ice spell could be no different than Zefie opening the cell door she and Shugo were trapped in. There's simply not enough information to draw a conclusion about him. But I just can't see Tsukasa being a high level whatsoever. I'm just gonna go with the theory that the AI Tsukasa is a reflection of Tsukasa's data at the time of his initial Data Draining pre-Episode 1

[CRtwenty]

The Phases are sort of Morganna, but not exactly. I mean Macha was able to rebel to an extent and defy Morganna's wishes. Something that would have been impossible if she was indeed just a piece of Morganna. I always saw them as seperate entities under Morganna's control.

[AuraTwilight]

Well, Kitty Maha was kind've part of Macha, but not the Phase Macha itself. I guess you could see Kitty Maha as an AI version of an Epitaph Weilder. But the actual Phase monsters are Morganna through and through. There's little to no distinction. They're like her limbs and organs.

[Kurotsuki]

Wait, was Tsukasa Data Drained or just killed by The Guardian in //sign?

Because if he was Data Drained (Assuming The Guardian had the ability, because he had DD'd Silver Knight I believe and that's what sent him into a coma for a while), then it would be logical to assume his level went all the way back down to 1(If we apply Haseo's scenario here). And simply put, he only made it to said level 5 or 15 (whichever level you get him at) before he stopped playing. So the AI in the game could have been made after he stopped playing. This would explain the level (If I am correct on this part of course).

If not, and Tsukasa was indeed killed and NOT Data Drained, then your guess is as good as mine.

But it would be safe to assume that the Tsukasa AI in the game series was probably created from the beginning of //sign, explaining his low level. That is, if I'm wrong in my paragraph above.

[AuraTwilight]

Wait, was Tsukasa Data Drained or just killed by The Guardian in //sign?

There's a difference?

Because if he was Data Drained (Assuming The Guardian had the ability, because he had DD'd Silver Knight I believe and that's what sent him into a coma for a while), then it would be logical to assume his level went all the way back down to 1(If we apply Haseo's scenario here). And simply put, he only made it to said level 5 or 15 (whichever level you get him at) before he stopped playing. So the AI in the game could have been made after he stopped playing. This would explain the level (If I am correct on this part of course).

Haseo is the only person who's level was effected by Data Drain. Look at all the coma victims in .hack//IMOQ. Orca, for example, is statistically uneffected by Data Drain.

[Kurotsuki]

Was just tossing it out there. Since it would be impossible for Tsukasa to enter a coma due to the fact that he already is in one and he cannot log out of the world? So what would Data Drain do to him, if when The Guardian killed him, it did infact Data Drain him?

[CRtwenty]

Yes it Data Drained him. Morganna used it to rewrite more of Tsukasa's memories. For instance he didn't remember anything about living in Tokyo after being data drained a second time.

[Kurotsuki]

Yes it Data Drained him. Morganna used it to rewrite more of Tsukasa's memories. For instance he didn't remember anything about living in Tokyo after being data drained a second time.

I was hoping it did more than that. That would help explain what level Tsukasa is or atleast why he is that level. I guess we'll never know... (gets back to his script writing)

[AuraTwilight]

Yes, the first Data Drain put him into a coma, the Second Data Drain erased his memory and reset his emotional balance, and the Third Data Drain (Morganna's Wrath of God crap after she relocated Aura) pretty much broke Tsukasa's head.

[Kuukai]

I'm not saying it makes her unable to do things players can't do, it just means she THINKS she can't. So I guess she can still smell or touch and just not realize that other players don't have that ability.

That boundary is there some of the time, but becomes blurred when Mia talks to Kite, especially the dungeon where she teaches him about Data Drain... Since she at least briefly knows she knows things that players don't, and if I remember correctly some of the other things she says at that time are suspicious, though I can't remember exactly what...

Can still be emoted.

As in involuntarily... That can't really be emoted, unles you accidentally hit the cry button or something...

She doesn't until Kite data drains her Phases. Then again, one COULD say that Maha's data draining is what makes Mia obey the system when Tsukasa was Data Drained with the explict purpose of transcending it.

Couldn't they just data drain themselves back to normal by this two-way theory?

Saying Tsukasa became a Vagrant AI is like saying Maha turned into a player.

Replace "player" with "PC" and Analysis says both those things are true.

[AuraTwilight]

As in involuntarily... That can't really be emoted, unles you accidentally hit the cry button or something...

What I mean is her crying would be the counterpart of hitting the /cry button, and is pretty much subconsciously hit, just like how Tsukasa has to do the equivelent of casting spells.

Couldn't they just data drain themselves back to normal by this two-way theory?

1. I don't believe I said anything about two ways.
2. I don't believe you can Data Drain yourself.

Replace "player" with "PC" and Analysis says both those things are true.

Yea, I know, but it just bugs me to imagine Tsukasa as a Vagrant AI since his intelligence isn't artificial. Myeh.

[CRtwenty]

I don't believe you can Data Drain yourself.

Well Shugo did at the end of the LotT Anime, but that's non-canon. So who knows if you can data drain yourself... a better question would be "Why the hell would you want to?".

Anyway, like the one AI in Mutation says "The line between NPC and PC is blurred, some people honestly don't know which category they fall into" or something like that. Tsukasa is one of those people who falls into the Grey Liminality area. Is he an AI? A Player? Cases can be argued for each... he almost fully exists inside the system, but is still affected by the state of his normal body, does that make him a player? Yet he is unable to leave the system without the help of Aura, does that make him an AI? Is there any real answer?

[tsubasa]

he starts out at level 5 in the ps2 games and is said in one of the t.v. episodes

[Kuukai]

What I mean is her crying would be the counterpart of hitting the /cry button, and is pretty much subconsciously hit, just like how Tsukasa has to do the equivelent of casting spells.

I don't think that happens involuntarily though, like when Subaru cries irl but not in the game...

1. I don't believe I said anything about two ways.

She doesn't until Kite data drains her Phases. Then again, one COULD say that Maha's data draining is what makes Mia obey the system when Tsukasa was Data Drained with the explict purpose of transcending it.

What you're saying here is that the Data Drain used on Tsukasa has the exact opposite effect of Kite's Data Draining the phases, right?

2. I don't believe you can Data Drain yourself.

In that case sending the phases two at a time wouldn't have been such a hard idea to come up with... Or sending them with Guardians...

Yea, I know, but it just bugs me to imagine Tsukasa as a Vagrant AI since his intelligence isn't artificial. Myeh.

Well, even normal Vargant AIs are amalgamations of ideas and data from real players' minds... They're hybrids, Tsukasa is pure, but it's essentially the same thing...

[AuraTwilight]

I don't think that happens involuntarily though, like when Subaru cries irl but not in the game...

What I mean is when Mia's character cries, it's essentially the exact same thing as a player typing /cry. Just because she did it involuntarily doesn't matter.

What you're saying here is that the Data Drain used on Tsukasa has the exact opposite effect of Kite's Data Draining the phases, right?

Data Drain is simply allowing it's weilder to edit data, so I would assume a person like Morganna can use it pretty creatively. Andwhen I meant Maha's being Data Drained, I meant when the Guardian's Data Drained and made her into a player. And by some people's logic, that's pretty much the opposite. Maha is a Vagrant AI turning into a "Player" and Tsukasa is a player turning into a "Vagrant AI."

In that case sending the phases two at a time wouldn't have been such a hard idea to come up with... Or sending them with Guardians...

What?

Well, even normal Vargant AIs are amalgamations of ideas and data from real players' minds... They're hybrids, Tsukasa is pure, but it's essentially the same thing...

Well, that's true, but the Vagrant AI was never a person, but born in the World. In the case of Tsukasa, his consciousness was pulled into his character, but he still had a distinct connection to his native body. In GU terms, I'd think he's more like an AIDA Nyeh.

[Kuukai]

What I mean is when Mia's character cries, it's essentially the exact same thing as a player typing /cry. Just because she did it involuntarily doesn't matter.

When (AI) Tsukasa cries, it's also exactly the same as a player typing /cry. The fundamental difference between Tsukasa and another player is that Tsukasa doesn't need to think or type "/cry", it just somehow happens when he's sad. The scene from Unison shows us that Mia is essentially the same case. This would imply that just as Tsukasa moves his "arms" to attack rather than hitting the "attack" button, Mia's control probably functions the same way. As such they abide by the same rules, and so if Mia has defined HP, Tsukasa likely does as well.

Data Drain is simply allowing it's weilder to edit data, so I would assume a person like Morganna can use it pretty creatively. Andwhen I meant Maha's being Data Drained, I meant when the Guardian's Data Drained and made her into a player. And by some people's logic, that's pretty much the opposite. Maha is a Vagrant AI turning into a "Player" and Tsukasa is a player turning into a "Vagrant AI."

I was referring to this line of conversation:

I believe the stats were THERE, but he didn't have to listen to them.

Then why does Morganna?

She doesn't until Kite data drains her Phases.

And I wanted to know that if Tsukasa's data-draining had the exact opposite effect of the phases's, why Morganna couldn't just bestow herself with invincibility again, since it seems she can just make Guardians...

Well, that's true, but the Vagrant AI was never a person, but born in the World.

Some of them are humans though, like the denizens of Net Slum say. They lost themselves along the line between reality and the game...

In the case of Tsukasa, his consciousness was pulled into his character, but he still had a distinct connection to his native body. In GU terms, I'd think he's more like an AIDA Nyeh.

He's nothing like an AIDA, since AIDA are (supposedly) appearing from within the system. Vagrant AIs were created entirely from foreign data (the epitaph + players), while AIDA somehow just emerged on their own from the system. It seems that way at least, hence the "anomaly"... Regardless, since Tsukasa and Sora are both considered "Vagrant AIs" when they are trapped, the official definition seems to allow for it... Something doesn't need to be 100% artificial to be considered an "AI". If we were able to "copy" the "software" in the human brain and run it on a computer, that would, for all intents and purposes, be AI. Tsukasa's mind is running on such a computer. Yes, he has a connection with his body that's not completely severed, but his mind is in the game. He's "crossed over" the line that separates normal players (with their mind fully in their body, but with a "slight" connection to their PC in the game--from which the blackbox system draws data) from players like him (with their mind fully in their PC and a connection to their body that somewhat mirrors that of a "normal" connection to the game).

Note: It's always hard to pick pronouns when talking about Tsukasa, but since we're mainly talking about The World's Tsukasa, I used the pronoun "he".

[BadRPiggy]

he would have to be between 20-40 maybe a little more but not that neccesary for anime

[Epitaph Angel]

...hmmm...
...tsukasa is a special character and by that you should all know what I mean...
...and so he is lvl 1...
...he didnt ahve to train or any of the sort...
...He had his pet...
...Morgana, and all he was basically a hacker, in which she didnt even know...

[Tsugasa-kun]

no one knows since that information was never given out, but we know he leveld up a sh*t load when you get him in .hack//Quarantine